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How many of you have taken the time to examine just how many of the coined and meaningless profiles there are on the net in general, not just here on this site.

We have been in the lifestyle as life as allowed for over 25 yrs. Long before the introduction of the net. Now it seems the lifestyle as an entire new perspective. Lets see we have who knows how many version of "swingers" Hard, soft, mild, wild, interested, looking for, etc etc. That said and in consideration of all of these well coined and copied versions, I have a suggestion for one, HOW ABOUT "REAL" Real replies to emails or messages, Real arrives for scheduled meetings, Real post genuine pictures, Real is proud of their gender and does not have to "fake" another's, Real would never open a dialogue with "interested what are you looking for", Real has actually either involved themselves in the lifestyle or at the least have a genuine desire to physically do so, not play games. And finally, "Real" respects others by being real in person, on the net and or the phone, Give it a try people, you may find this lifestyle very interesting by being "Real"
BRAVO, Well said.
I agree completely!
I Love you!
I want to borrow that statement! We get hit with that all the time!
Regrettable, but absolutely true..

And the sorry folk that have taken that route.. will never actually read this.. because there is no wack off material in these posts
As the holier than thou say..Aaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnn!

:)
Looks like the score is Chapped ass 5 Wise ass 1,
I am for real As a married man that has to swing alone I know un-real very well. Yes I know that the world is full of jerks but here we all know what we are here for so lets be real.
out of 5 set dates my wife and i made with other couples in the past 8 months or so. 1 couple actually showed up. we have children and responsibilities that come 1st, and we have had last min. things come up too. but a phone call or something would be nice. the net is just one way to make contact with potential friends and we figured out early in the process that we would have to weed through some manure to get to the fruit, we just do not understand what the pay off is for presenting one's self as a swinger when your not. maybe the idea of it is enough to satisfy these people's desires.......either way, we will keep weeding, and if you are "real" and live in the central florida area, or passing though, drop us a note. Even if we just have dinner and some adult conversation, it is better than sitting somewhere waiting for someone who never intended to show in the 1st place......bottom line,no matter what we still come home and completely enjoy each other.............we will get verified soon, yes our pics here and the select other places are us.
A & M
Ditto .. if you only use the net to meet. We will only meet people at our local on-premise club. We have found that this tends to weed out the fakes and we don't sit at a resturant /bar waiting on a no show.
We agree that there are many here and on other sites that are at a point that the more seasoned swinger would consider them "wannabes". We understand that point in the growing process of becoming comfortable in the lifestyle. Some may have been able to jump in with both feet. We on the otherhand, with the help of many understanding couples, took baby steps to grow into what you are calling REAL. Yep 2 years after we started checking out, soft swinging, girl girl, and whatever all the other names you had for the levels we were ready for the final step. It has been a wonderful experience and we wouldn't change it a bit. Over our more than 4 years as "REAL" in the lifestyle we have made some great friends and have met very few that we would not call real. Real is who they are whether seasoned veterans or beginners. Everyone needs to be accepted for who they are today, not what anyone thinks they should be.

We saw the one response referring to "older and not as in demand". As we have aged, it seems that we are more in demand. Do you think that it might be because we simply accept everyone for who they are and proceed on with our lives without judging? This doesn't mean we swing with everyone we meet. There still has to be an attraction. We do cherish our vertical friends as much as our horizontal ones. The sex aspect is only one part of our rendition of the lifestyle. Acceptance and open honest communication without being judgemental is one of the aspects that has made the people we have met so special.

Get off the REAL kick and let people enjoy their comfort level and advance as they may or may not want to.

The one thing from all the replies that we do agree with is that there are some inconsiderate people that don't keep committments to meet. We have only had this happen a couple of times and both were single guys. Who would have thought that a single guy would pass up a chance to meet. Oh well that's their loss...

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Hope you don't feel it was a waste of time.
Well said we are REAL and love to have fun with REAL cpls. Ever notice that the ones who always have some kind of excuse vanish into thinair you the know the ones we are talking about oh your too old, or we are very selective, we are looking for that one special cpl etc... you know what we do not want to date someone we want to enjoy SEX with someone. The ones we really love is the ones who send the message like this "love your profile lets chat" then you send a message and they NEVER respond of course thats noramlly because they didn't READ the profile they missed the 48/45, they missed we love group sex, they missed we have no racial boundries and they missed the most important point of all and that is if we were looking for JUST friends we wouldn't be posting on a swing sight lol.

Norm&Sharon
We feel your pain...fakes, flakes liars and single men who do not know their place, married men playing alone or cheating...we are tired of all them!
It's very sad, but true. Christy ignores most IM's because so many people are fake that IM her on Yahoo. She's burned out of people that can't carry a conversation unless it's about sex or are not interested in going out unless sex is assumed. It gets very old dealing with the fake girls (the ones that never meet, never talk on the phone, never do voice chat, never webcam).


Good Luck to all "Real" people who are serious about their search.
we tend to give out a cell number fast, no need in emailing all the time... if they call, great, maybe we made new friends!, if not we worry little about it. nothing drastic happened, and by now we have enough friends that we can always find something to get into if we are stood up!
How you not really notice who they are. My significant other and myself are not swingers we are in a lifestyle. Not something that comes and goes with the weather. We live a lifestyle. We have another lover that we love and adore and again love getting together with other couples and even groups for dinners and playtime.
We have been in the lifestyle for over ten years and have spent more than our fair share of time apart because of the Navy but even then we talk about our life together first then the lifestyle we enjoy. Seeing people on here just to scope pictures or have sex.....we are looking for lifetime friends. I think that all that are in the lifestyle are doing the same thing, looking for people with the same goals and ideals. We just have the ability to be closer than most.
Hear, hear! Well said. And to think that at one time I was seriously put out because someone said to me that they didn't want friends, that they merely wanted to "fuck". Needless to say we saw that we had nothing in common and ended that interaction immediately. I'm feeling much better about myself and who we are as a couple.
Well said!----We agree completely. We have another term to add to your list: cyber-swinger. It's a wanna-be that doesn't really have the balls to be in the lifestyle so they hide behind their computer screen. We try to sort them out very quickly. After an introduction email or two we talk on the phone and then offer to meet for drinks. If there's any reluctance---they're done. We have neither the time or energy to waste on cyber-swingers. Fortunately for us they have been the rare exception. We have been lucky enough to meet some wonderful people so far and are looking forward to meeting lots more! ;)
we have even seen that here, when we have sent an email to someone that has shown interest. We get an email back saying thanks and that is it. We will not pursue someone that does not show real interest. We find it to much of a pain to be aggresive. It is far better to just hang out and let things happen, it builds better relationships. If we give ourselves to others we want them to give back.
We have learned the best phrase to learn quickly in this lifestlye is "NEXT" lets face it this is nothing but a #'s game you have to contact loy=ts to find the few good ones and once you find those good ones it makes all the weeding out of the fakes and flakes worth it. Like we tell people a social meeting or two is fine but we do not intend to date you a year before you decide if you want to play with us or not . We just wish people would have the balls to say at least "no thanks" or tellthe truth they are "wanna" swingers into only the fantasy of it and never really intend to do it. When we find those we simply say "NEXT!"

Norm&Sharon
We normally don't use the clubs as we find we don't care for those around our area very much. But we have gotten into the habit of meeting at a resturant so at least we get a nice meal out of the evening, and the score is about Food 27, Couples 10.
While on the subject of fakes, posers, wannabes, etc,...it never ceases to amaze me when I see a couple on one site listed in one state, and on another site they happen to be clear across the country...on the SAME day no less. Maybe we need to add an entirely new catagory to the lifestlye....BI LOCATION...LOL! How kinky!
NYKY2FLA, one occasion we have changed a location when we decide that we would consider playing when we have a travel opportunity. Never a permanent change, but on some sites it is so much easier to browse local listings if you set yours to that location and then set a distance limit.

But we would agree with you that there is something strange about same profile/different sites/different locations that are permanent.
Agreed...we also on occasion have moved our profile. And I'm sure there are those that do have dual residences. But to get messages from the same couple, on two different sites, from two different locations at the same time is a big red flag. Especially when you can tell those messages are mass mailings.
we also have run into more fakes than not we have been in the life style for about 4.5 yrs now
Married or Single

Dating (which is what all of us are doing) you're going to find people who are lurkers. Just don't have the guts to make the final commitment. If you've been in the lifestyle long enough you should be a able to spot them.

We've been doing this 3
we are real but we don't come to you..
if you want it you will come here
lol

kristylynn
Valence you must be real you have the real symbol and anyone who put that much effort into thier profile must be real but why did you wait a year on this post to ask? Time to put this topic to rest
So many fakers, pranksters, picture stealers....So little time ....


M
I have one thing to say about being "real". We go to clubs all the time, we have all kinds of great sexual experiences all the time. Have we ever picked someone up from the internet? No, not that we have a policy it's just a little intimidating doing the whole blind date kinda thing. Does that make us fake because we've talked to people here but haven't fucked anyone here yet??

Of course we would never make a date and break it, that's just inappropriate behaviour no matter what.
Many people treat there interest in swinging very lightly. I think they all to often forget they are dealing with real people who have schedules, lives and feelings. There really is no excuse in any lifestyle for rude behavior.
The internet has been great at giving people a easy way to communicate and find others of similar interest sadly it's also given anyone with a keyboard the same ability regardless of their true commitment, honesty or respectablity in playing nice with others.

The only thing I can suggest is please use the comment fields on peoples profiles. If they are a real couple/single and you had a nice meeting then say so. Even if chemistry wasn't there for more you will at least be letting others know that the profile is real. For those hunting pay attention to the comments.

Be Safe
Chris
We have made a few connections on this site. It is strange though, most are more than 30 miles away. We have also made a lot of friends hundreds of miles away, in the chat room or through emails, and many we cam and Im with, or even have made phone contact with. I am positive some people out there are phonies, but there are ways to feel them out. We often chalenge people to chat either on this site or yahoo with us and cam together if they are claiming to be a couple. We usually ask very direct questions, and if the other party does not answer them we figure they are hiding something. We feel there is very little to hide when you are playing naked with others. Getting together is not always easy because of the everyday demands of life and family, but we always keep a date once we have made it. If we are not sure we can commit or have to much going on we let the other party know that right off. We also try to stay in touch with contacts we have already made if possible and belong to a couple of local groups (large) that we get together with as often as possible. These groups seem to be a sure shot when it comes to enjoying the lifestyle for us, and we make knew friends every time we attend an event, as well as enjoy staying in touch with previos aquantances.

It seems you can tell who is real if you pay attention and devise ways to test a persons sincerity. We feel if you can't trust someone move on, you wouldn't want to play with them anyway.
Plenty of "real" swingers get labeled as fakes every day. Plenty of fake swingers, get mistaken for "real" ones just as often.

That phrase should not be subjective to whether or not someone stood you up, faked a profile, or used old pics, just to name a few negative things. Those people are simply assholes. Even if they fancy themselves swingers.

It has happened to us on many occassions that someone has claimed to have seen one of her pics either in a mag, or on a paid porn site, which automatically makes us "fakes". We have been labled as "fakes" based on the fact that we choose not to (primarily) meet with couples, thus we must be fake. We have been accused of being "fakes" because we are selective about with whom we meet, and even more selective about with whom we play. NO fakes here. Just smart people who know what we are looking for.

People who have an axe to grind are typically the first to call out "fakes" on sites like these. I may not have the benefit of 25 years of swinging to support that supposition, but it is what is obvious to me.

I am sure that there are a great many "fakes" out there who are only interested in wasting other peoples time with their bullshit, and believe me when I say that we have met one or two over the years...but I wouldnt automatically brand someone a "fake" based on the fact that they didnt show up for a meeting. (That is not to say that we would excuse that behavior, because if someone stands us up they had better be dead or we are done with them for good.) But who knows..maybe they just got cold feet? Maybe they really DID get a flat tire on the way to see you....shit happens.

Luvbugs! (mR.)

:p
I know that i am real i just havent been certified. I also know that single men in the lifestyle have it very hard ( no pun intended) but i dont just send letters to everyone hoping to get one out of fifty i feel i am patient and i have played with couples before and they continue to call on me from time to time. I also know that as long as im polite and treat others with respect i will get the same in return so that makes me real and i am happy to be here.
Kato
Some interesting points to ponder:

Patience seems be to the key to any involvement in the lifestyle. Those with out it can quickly become disillusioned, frustrated, and for lack of a better word, jaded. Hence the, "Why wont anyone fuck me?" rhetoric.

Someone said that couples who demonstrated any hesitation were also "out" as they put it. Hesitation may also be due to bad experiences, or lack of initial chemistry. We have played with many people that we did not consider playing with on the first or even second date, but later it was on like Donkey Kong. Couldnt tell you why, it just happened that way, and thats the way we prefer our encounters to be....unscripted.

If you ask someone to meet with you as soon as possible (thus skipping the e-mail chatter, the IM sessions that could be a 12 year old boy jerking off to your pics, or the lets make a date in a year types) you are reducing the possibility that this person or persons will have the opportunity to mislead you. If they are about meeting cool people to have sex with, then they will make the time to see you in short order. If a single guy stands you up, he is either cheating...or just a rude ass who didnt deserve your time in the first place. Thats been our experience anyway. So you move on.

Not everyone who swings wants to fuck the people they just met an hour ago. I think that a lot of uber-swinger types get frustrated when people are not of the same mind as they are. We have a friends first policy, so it is unlikely (not impossible) that we would do that on the first date. Now if we all hit it off, and there was undeniable chemistry....sure, why not. I do not think it fair to coin someone fake because they have a different, or slower, or measured, or "selective" approach to having sex with (what amounts to) total strangers! Shouldnt we all?

Labels are so restrictive. To me, a fake is a person who is not what they say they are. Meaning that a single man is not really a couple or a single woman. We have even seen it the other way around. And yes, the ones who sit behind their monitor and waste others time can be a real pain in the ass for us all. Root them out quickly and move on. Let others know that you had a questionable experience with them. This community is a very small one, and word quickly travels if someone is being an ass.

Luvbugs! (mR.)

;)
We agree with LUVBUGS.

Interestingly, in 5 years we've only been stood up once. I think a big part of it for us is that we refuse to have an online relationship with people before we meet them. Sure, we'll exchange information for a couple of emails, but after that we tell them that we want to get together so we can figure out if we're wasting our time or not. "Fake" people tend to want to string you along, exchange extra pics, and talk about sexual stuff, so we refuse to go along with that.
yes there are alot of fakes.
We have only been in this lifestyle since I think August and only stood up once, although we ended up meeting the couple at a later time and now we are great friends. They had an emergency at home that couldn't be ignored obviously so it was no biggie.

Usually for us if they don't want to meet after talking a couple times then we just won't bother they can be the ones to initiate a meeting. Once we stop communication either they will want to meet up or not, it doesnt hurt our feelings any if they don't plus you can usually tell if they are just stringing you along. If there is not any chemistry it wouldn't work anyways.

Just our opinion and I know it's already been said but if they won't meet up soon after talking the first time then either they are stringing you along, are fake, or just don't want to and don't want to say something.
Will now about being real or not it would seam that finding some one to open up there little grope ore finding some new friends would be harder than you would think we have not been doing this four long but I would say that most of my mail I send out is that you ant what we are looking four at this time don
Can I get a witness!?**throaty hey!** I was JUST thinking THIS! I have been stood up and put out too many times. I have to admit I am guilty of trying again and again with some people. I tend to lean torwards "doormat" here lately. I have known the truly legitimate and the not so realistic, and even the out and out liars. Actually here in UT more so than AK, or AR (damn i never thought I would say this but I MISS AR!). Hurt feelings are par for the course, and non matches... but we are adults and i think can grow from these and deal with them gracefully. I LOVE that I can look at the people that have replied and mark in my mind "real, check, real, check, poser, check, etc"! I would love for some way to know in advance but I find hindsight is 20/20. I do still believe things happen and you can't make it, but just a call or IM, anything will do. Even if it is the day after. Communication is the key. You know The Golden Rule, and for all of "Reals" umm, kudos. I never seemed to stand up for myself but I am tired of the tread marks on my back! Much Love to you who posted before me, and thankyou I feel better. Ranting out! **giggle, sigh**
Raven
I totally concure with all the posts.
Here here DFWCPL2 from page 2........
Great post
I agree with what you said ,very well put seems like no one has any manners these days.
"REAL" may not be as real as it seems, when it comes to you and that party. Look at the profile and what it has to say, and the pics (pictures can tell a story too). These people may be "REAL" but not "REALLY" for you. You have to learn to feel out the parties that are "Real" for you. Many ideas and methods have been suggested in previous post and a lot of them will work for those individuals, but you have to decide what will work for your expectations and satisfaction in this venture. Patience was mentioned in a earlier post, and I feel is definately required, but you also have to know when you are wasting your time. Experience should help you find your way whether good or bad.

Sites like Swingular can be a great way to promote yourself in the lifestyle, but are also great places for people who just want to peek in at it (the fakes). If you really want to get into the "swinging community" you need to expose your self to the 'Real" flesh and blood community in your area. After all if you want to play ball, you join a team and go to a ball field.
Here is our take on it:

You contact us, or we contacted you, we dont care which.

-Let's briefly chat online to exchange essential info and get to know one another. By briefly I mean once or twice. We dont mind chatting on messengers, or doing the web cam thing, as long as things are quickly progressing toward a face to face meeting. We rarely ever cam with anyone we have no intention of meeting in the flesh very soon.
-You can have our cell number, we will take yours. Let's meet some where public in the next day or two. We have been known to meet people in person the day we met them online. If you make us wait a week or more due to work, or this or that...no thanks. Unless they are genuinely "out of town on business" (we have heard it all!), they are hiding something. (The single men anyway.) Sometime they are genuinely busy, and we understand that. But the truth is simple, you snooze you lose.
-Single, unattached men are usually available. No offense to all of you hard working single guys, it is just the truth. Couples can be a little more challenging due to work schedules, kids, etc. etc so we tend to be more understaning with them. We have kids too.
-Let's meet NOW. I want to see that your pics were current. I want to see that you are as articulate as your profile suggests. I want to know, BEFORE we spend the time to get to know you much better, that there is atleast some CHEMISTRY between us from the start.
-We want to know if getting to know you will become a liability to us at some point in the near future, and we can usually tell the jerks from the gentleman in short order.
-If at some point in the evening, you stand up and begin to slobber at the mouth and babble senseless words, we will politely (and quickly) excuse ourselves, no hard feelings. feel free to do the same if we happen to drool.
-If we hit it off, GREAT! We are not usually play on the first date people, but we have lost our self control on more than one occassion, so the sky is the limit. If not....we had a nice night together, and we are not above calling you friend just because we didnt fuck.

Luvbugs!

:)