We men love the ladies to go one on one but 2 guys even touching is too much for some what gives?
And to think the talking heads are trying to say that :
Being Bi is the new Cool... for males and females...
Look, with most everything in todays modern world, it takes time to kill off the stigma involved with the POV of many men.
Ask yourself this question, Since the battle of the sexes began.. How many Strip or All Nude
Or Titty bars have opened... And how many Chippendales style clubs exist...ZIP, not a one..
Being secure in ones sexuality is the biggest hurdle that many people have to overcome.. Does it make a guy any less a man, if he gets head from another guy... Or... Ask how many are willing to drop down and lick a woman clean after filling her full of cum, and see how many admit to it.. or tell you they get so turned on they get wood again... :s
Look 100 years ago, we had what today is freely admitted, is a terrible policy of racial segregation... And while I DO NOT say its the SAME... How people viewed it back then, and in some parts of the country today was considered acceptable. That does'nt make it right, Just socially acceptable..
Wait a little while longer... Til the current crop of conservatives.. fade.. Things will change, They always do
Being Bi is the new Cool... for males and females...
Look, with most everything in todays modern world, it takes time to kill off the stigma involved with the POV of many men.
Ask yourself this question, Since the battle of the sexes began.. How many Strip or All Nude
Or Titty bars have opened... And how many Chippendales style clubs exist...ZIP, not a one..
Being secure in ones sexuality is the biggest hurdle that many people have to overcome.. Does it make a guy any less a man, if he gets head from another guy... Or... Ask how many are willing to drop down and lick a woman clean after filling her full of cum, and see how many admit to it.. or tell you they get so turned on they get wood again... :s
Look 100 years ago, we had what today is freely admitted, is a terrible policy of racial segregation... And while I DO NOT say its the SAME... How people viewed it back then, and in some parts of the country today was considered acceptable. That does'nt make it right, Just socially acceptable..
Wait a little while longer... Til the current crop of conservatives.. fade.. Things will change, They always do
Todays culture does not accepts bi men. Look in history when bi sex was acceptable. (Greek/Roman culture) It's just up bringing and the social taboo that teachs males that male -male contact is sick/disgusting. Not only do you have religion teaching against it, but you also have those guys that are very scared and disgusted by it (normally a taught response). I truely believe that if Aids had not hit the world that gay guys would be much more accepted today. Give it a couple more decades and I think there will be a lot more openness for all people to explore sexually without the society telling them they are wrong.
Ok I asked the ? and I will agree things are changing. I thought that in the 70"s then AIDS and bi male were gone. I will say I have been bi with guys in a couples situation where all wanted it like guys watching I liked the ladies watching. I still do today and a couple of weeks ago met a couple that she wanted her man go down on a man as she watched great fun and yes I love to eat a cum filled pussy mine or anothers is fine. I love to eat pussy
I find controversy within the swinging community almost silly. We are collectively engaged in an activity that most of our non-swinging peers would describe (at least in public) as way out there, far beyond the pale. However within our "open" community a few people tend to limit themselves and try to limit others by saying that I am right and thus everyone else is wrong.
We can have open discussion on soft swing and full swap, same room and open. We have clubs and parties and swinging resorts to talk about. Everyone has their own opinion, and most are very open to the opinion of others.
One area where the discussion does tend to polarize swingers is the subject of bisexual males.
Doesn't this strike you as odd? Bisexual females are perhaps the single most powerful driving force within the swinging community. And bisexual males are the closest thing we have to a paria.
Part of that is surely the fear of disease but not entirely. Fear of disease is a clear concern in all swinging and can be controlled. There are far fewer bisexual males in swinging than besexual females but we do not exclude straight females. Why the exclusion of bisexual males?
Perhaps times are changing and bisexual males will become an accepted part of the swinging community. In the interim we intend to at least give them the benefit of the doubt.
We can have open discussion on soft swing and full swap, same room and open. We have clubs and parties and swinging resorts to talk about. Everyone has their own opinion, and most are very open to the opinion of others.
One area where the discussion does tend to polarize swingers is the subject of bisexual males.
Doesn't this strike you as odd? Bisexual females are perhaps the single most powerful driving force within the swinging community. And bisexual males are the closest thing we have to a paria.
Part of that is surely the fear of disease but not entirely. Fear of disease is a clear concern in all swinging and can be controlled. There are far fewer bisexual males in swinging than besexual females but we do not exclude straight females. Why the exclusion of bisexual males?
Perhaps times are changing and bisexual males will become an accepted part of the swinging community. In the interim we intend to at least give them the benefit of the doubt.
I posted the question and I think I got a better feel for the answer by the few replies. This is one topic that should generate several responces
Hoping for more feedback to this question
I just this past week had a very interesting experience. I meet a couple and their friends a MF couple also. Not in my state I was traveling. The ladies said unless the guys did each other the no sex all weekend long. The game was simple unless we sucked the other guys no sex and what was so amazing to me was how turned on the women were as we put on a show. I have never seen 2 hoter ladies. They could not get enough and both husbands said that this was as excited as they had ever seen thier ladies. They both did anal for the first time and we went to a park and had an aduience thier first so all I am saying is never say never
I used to be really homophobic....lately I just don't think it is a big deal....if it is good for the ladies....it should be good for the guys too.
there's my two cents....
BobbyD
there's my two cents....
BobbyD
Now BobbyD you have to make a choice will you alow a man to suck you and could youever suck a man if the lady or ladies there wanted you too. A heavy question and one we all need to make
It's all about personal preference. If you're a bi male in a couple, we can be friends if, like anyone else, we're compatible. I'm straight and you're bi...the oil and water of sexuality. Neither of our preferences is wrong....just different. I know at my age males aren't what i'm attracted to sexually.
Shawn
Shawn
I too am selective as to who I tell what. I will say I am not attracted to males but the big but when things are right the I will take the step over and be explore other sides on my own sexuality
If one can accept the premise that for most men, sex is a physical place and for most women that is it an emotional place, then I think some of the answer is found there. Emotional sexuality has little concern with whether there is a vagina or a penis involved but rather whether an engagement of the mind and soul occurs. Ergo, more women are accepting of sex with another woman then men are of sex with another man.
Equally, I think, men are too concerned with the need to appear dominant. Sure, with a woman it is OK to for the male to be sexually subservient occasionally and certainly all right if he works to please her. But for a male to please another male he need to accept being in a "beta" rather than "alpha" position. This is not so easy for a man unless he is highly evolved intellectually and emotionally. It is similar to the issue of birth control where most men cannot conceive of having a vasectomy because it "challenges" male dominance... his ability to spread his seed. Perhaps one would raise the position -- "but what about gay men" -- to which I suggest that there is, in such circumstances, an alpha and beta male in the selection process.
All this said, to me, homosexuality and heterosexuality are like opposite sides of the sexual bell-curve -- either being an extreme position while bisexuality is a middle-point. But to acknowledge that in a public forum I need to be willing to be immediately ostracized by not only men (fearful that by associating with my "weakness" may make them weak) but also by many women (he's not alpha enough to have me). I guess what I am drawing is that it all still comes down to biological process. A woman as a nurturing cares not whether she is giving to a male of female. A man on the other hand, as the hunter, would prefer to eliminate another male competitor not embrace him. Only intelligence can overcome this natural bias, in my opinion.
Equally, I think, men are too concerned with the need to appear dominant. Sure, with a woman it is OK to for the male to be sexually subservient occasionally and certainly all right if he works to please her. But for a male to please another male he need to accept being in a "beta" rather than "alpha" position. This is not so easy for a man unless he is highly evolved intellectually and emotionally. It is similar to the issue of birth control where most men cannot conceive of having a vasectomy because it "challenges" male dominance... his ability to spread his seed. Perhaps one would raise the position -- "but what about gay men" -- to which I suggest that there is, in such circumstances, an alpha and beta male in the selection process.
All this said, to me, homosexuality and heterosexuality are like opposite sides of the sexual bell-curve -- either being an extreme position while bisexuality is a middle-point. But to acknowledge that in a public forum I need to be willing to be immediately ostracized by not only men (fearful that by associating with my "weakness" may make them weak) but also by many women (he's not alpha enough to have me). I guess what I am drawing is that it all still comes down to biological process. A woman as a nurturing cares not whether she is giving to a male of female. A man on the other hand, as the hunter, would prefer to eliminate another male competitor not embrace him. Only intelligence can overcome this natural bias, in my opinion.
Well said MaleinNorthernVa. I totally agree with you.
Maleinnorthenva. You are so right I wish I had the verbal skill to say it as well as you did Thank you. 20 years ago I read an article from Psy. Journal with the bell curve 6% totally gay 6% totally st and the rest of on the curve with only 10 % at the top meaning if their dream lover both male and female were avilable and they could not have but one they would not be able to choose. Me I in that situation would select female but I do enjoy beinf in a MFM. Thanks for all the replys
Still looking for more replys
I just want to bring the subject back up for our new members
I think there is room in this lifestyle for all of us. We each have likes and dislikes and that is why we are here. Some men are comfortable enough to have male-male contact and not feel stigmatized. I think even most males that describe themselves as straight would not be offended by an inadvertant or accidental touching. I have been with some real homophobes though that get freaked out if you are even close to one another. I think attitudes are changing. Many clubs openly allow bi males now, ten years ago that was unheard of.
I have to say - I like the "no sex all weekend unless you men get at it" game. I like that - that's definately cool! Good job girls!
As for us, we think the bi-sexual men thing is just an ego that most men have. It seems that many women want to see 2 guys getting it on. However, the men on the other hand, do not always see it that way.
It seems to me that men have to be "macho". And if they are down on their knees sucking another man, this isn't "macho" (according the the Men's Rules Dictionary of All Time). LOL
This is just an opinion. And my husband always says "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one". LOL
As for us, we think the bi-sexual men thing is just an ego that most men have. It seems that many women want to see 2 guys getting it on. However, the men on the other hand, do not always see it that way.
It seems to me that men have to be "macho". And if they are down on their knees sucking another man, this isn't "macho" (according the the Men's Rules Dictionary of All Time). LOL
This is just an opinion. And my husband always says "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one". LOL
We are a Bi couple, and are listed as such. Most of the couples we play with are Bi, the men are listed as straight in their profile, but quickly tell us the truth when contact is made. As our profile states we play with bi or straight couples, no ax to grind there. We have met a few men at parties that are very homophobic, got to know them as a couple then he panicked once he read our profile....I just laughed and told him to chill. Bi is not for everyone and all should have a choice, if its not for you then pass...but please dont condemn. Live and let live!
I am a big time conservative. I didnt realize you had to be liberal to swing! All these years adn I have been so wrong! Back to my red state hidey hole for me!
I want to thank all that have responded to this Question. I think we can conclude that we all have our likes and dislikes and what makes this such an exciting world is that I get to explore all my desires and wishes. I know i have done things for my patrner because she wanted to try and she for me. I am back to my main theme just because you have had contact with the person of the same sex does not make you less of a person but in my openion more of one. A man that is sucure enough in his own skin has no problem with his sexuality and is thus free to have some wonderful times whether ever the path leads.