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Here is a question that I have been just yerning to ask for along time. Now maybe its that I am having a mid-life crisis or maybe I simply imagine some of the posts and or conversations I hear or read but why does is seem that there are so many more holier than thou, think they are upper class, buy designer clothes at ROSS but wont tell you that because we want to you think we are a high end couple, pretend to be wealthy when in fact we live beyond our means, have had plastic surgery and well that makes us better than, we work out at an upper class health spa and stay in shape so your less than, champagne taste on beer budget, hypocritical, stuck up, snotty, self appointed kings and queens of the lifestyle type couples around lately?
You know we arent unattractive, we are not poor nor are we rich. Sure we like nice things but not at the expense of our friends and families. Aint got not plastic surgery here (thats not to say fakies and nose jobs arent nice cuz they are). We work out when it suits us but obviously not enough as of late. But we and our friends just arent snobs. And for the life of me I cant imagine why couples would join a lifestyle to be exactly how they are in the vanilla world. Why cant you leave that shit at the door. You dont have to screw everyone, but atleast have the common courtesy to be honest in a nice polite way. It doesnt hurt to be JUST friends with someone. You know most of the people we have as friends and have played with we met thru other friends.
I know this makes me sound self conscience. I know that in the past I have made mistakes that may have scarred my name as well as T's but as they say that is water under the bridge etc etc. Think what you will. However I have had many a conversation with people lately in the life, be it online or in person, concerning just this topic. So I guess what I am really asking is it really too much to ask for a little courtesy, a little compassion and maybe the hand of friendship, as opposed to the rude, crude, hypocritical holier than thou things we see everyday? Or am I just up in the night? Do I imagine these things? If so please feel free to say so, or attack me whichever lol.
P.S. This is in noway meant to be directed to anyone directly, as I dont want to see a Forum posted that is trying to have me banned from this site for my simple opinion. Thanks
P.S.S. This post in no way reflect the thoughts feelings and or opinions of this site or any other site affiliated with the site. Nor does it reflect on any of the people that post to this topic, nor does it reflect on any of our friends in the lifestyle. This is simply our opinion.
What ya think TEQUILA think that will protect me?
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Here is a question that I have been just yerning to ask for along time. Now maybe its that I am having a mid-life crisis or maybe I simply imagine some of the posts and or conversations I hear or read but why does is seem that there are so many more holier than thou, think they are upper class, buy designer clothes at ROSS but wont tell you that because we want to you think we are a high end couple, pretend to be wealthy when in fact we live beyond our means, have had plastic surgery and well that makes us better than, we work out at an upper class health spa and stay in shape so your less than, champagne taste on beer budget, hypocritical, stuck up, snotty, self appointed kings and queens of the lifestyle type couples around lately?
You know we arent unattractive, we are not poor nor are we rich. Sure we like nice things but not at the expense of our friends and families. Aint got not plastic surgery here (thats not to say fakies and nose jobs arent nice cuz they are). We work out when it suits us but obviously not enough as of late. But we and our friends just arent snobs. And for the life of me I cant imagine why couples would join a lifestyle to be exactly how they are in the vanilla world. Why cant you leave that shit at the door. You dont have to screw everyone, but atleast have the common courtesy to be honest in a nice polite way. It doesnt hurt to be JUST friends with someone. You know most of the people we have as friends and have played with we met thru other friends.
I know this makes me sound self conscience. I know that in the past I have made mistakes that may have scarred my name as well as T's but as they say that is water under the bridge etc etc. Think what you will. However I have had many a conversation with people lately in the life, be it online or in person, concerning just this topic. So I guess what I am really asking is it really too much to ask for a little courtesy, a little compassion and maybe the hand of friendship, as opposed to the rude, crude, hypocritical holier than thou things we see everyday? Or am I just up in the night? Do I imagine these things? If so please feel free to say so, or attack me whichever lol.
P.S. This is in noway meant to be directed to anyone directly, as I dont want to see a Forum posted that is trying to have me banned from this site for my simple opinion. Thanks
P.S.S. This post in no way reflect the thoughts feelings and or opinions of this site or any other site affiliated with the site. Nor does it reflect on any of the people that post to this topic, nor does it reflect on any of our friends in the lifestyle. This is simply our opinion.
What ya think TEQUILA think that will protect me?
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-Doran-
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Here Here..
Snobs suck
Snobs suck
I'd buy that for a dollar.
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I second that! snobs suck! -----we hope lol
do snobs suck Am I mising out on something cause is there like a codeword to get a snob to go down on you instead of look down on you ??
We say the following moto should apply to all:
"NEVER LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE UNLESS THEIR MOUTH IS ON YOUR GENITALS"
We say the following moto should apply to all:
"NEVER LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE UNLESS THEIR MOUTH IS ON YOUR GENITALS"
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I like that motto, I think I will use it.
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I like that motto, I think I will use it.
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Well secretside,my wife and I have had the same concerns for awhile. We thought it was just we weren't good enough because we aren't as close to people as most. We can't even get someone to tell us to fuck off thery aren't interested. Well thats our 2cents worth without a lot of bitching.
Scott
Scott
Good answer.....
thank god we aren't the only ones that think that.. What is up with the blasted attitudes.. what happend to just meeting and having a great time with others.. I hate when others are looked down upon.. just gives me the creepy crawlies if you know what I mean..
Live and let live don't judge and be open to others.. You might be suprised and meet your bes friends for life if you are open in all aspects of life...
talk soon you two are awesomely cool :z
B and M
Live and let live don't judge and be open to others.. You might be suprised and meet your bes friends for life if you are open in all aspects of life...
talk soon you two are awesomely cool :z
B and M
D&T (SecretInside)
Simply put, why in the world would those people leave pretenses at the door to become down-to-earth, nice and kind for ANYONE, much less themselves?
If you ever want to know what types of insecurities people have, merely watch how they overcompensate with the opposite behavior to balance those "shortcomings".
These self-righteous individuals are often the ones in our society that suffer from the greatest levels of insecurity and self-hate/disgust. Conversely, the people that have the most compassion to offer to another human being are typically the ones that are the happiest and complete with themselves. Let us not forget those that love themselves.
That is why they are able to give it to others, because it is there and they possess it! You cannot give to another what you do not possess within yourself.
Evolved interpersonal skills and social behaviors such as compassion, kindness and graciousness simply are rarely manifest in the narcissistic ego personality type; things couldn't be all about them if they gave that attention to someone else, now could it?
So in a sense, yes...it IS too much to ask to have a little common-courtesy type behavior from them! It is completely beyond their capacity, for where they are at in their lives, to give some basic social graces. Much like it's beyond the capacity of Neandertal to give instructions on building a home computer.
Sirensextress and I always get a good laugh watching these people in a social setting.
They're readily identifiable by the obvious sound of fanfare that apparently trumpets whenever they enter the room. We also find it fun to observe the throngs of minions (P.P.W.B.'s: Pretty Peeps Wannabe's) that throw themselves at the feet of the PPWB's, gravelling for acceptance and fulfillment from the self-deified snobs.
Are all "Pretty People" self-absorbed and pious with how they relate to others?
Absolutely not.
We have found many outwardly "beautiful people", within whom resides and equally beautiful person.
Just be glad that you are not numbered with the snobs, or that if you have been in the past, thank GOD you've evolved beyond that!
~J~
Simply put, why in the world would those people leave pretenses at the door to become down-to-earth, nice and kind for ANYONE, much less themselves?
If you ever want to know what types of insecurities people have, merely watch how they overcompensate with the opposite behavior to balance those "shortcomings".
These self-righteous individuals are often the ones in our society that suffer from the greatest levels of insecurity and self-hate/disgust. Conversely, the people that have the most compassion to offer to another human being are typically the ones that are the happiest and complete with themselves. Let us not forget those that love themselves.
That is why they are able to give it to others, because it is there and they possess it! You cannot give to another what you do not possess within yourself.
Evolved interpersonal skills and social behaviors such as compassion, kindness and graciousness simply are rarely manifest in the narcissistic ego personality type; things couldn't be all about them if they gave that attention to someone else, now could it?
So in a sense, yes...it IS too much to ask to have a little common-courtesy type behavior from them! It is completely beyond their capacity, for where they are at in their lives, to give some basic social graces. Much like it's beyond the capacity of Neandertal to give instructions on building a home computer.
Sirensextress and I always get a good laugh watching these people in a social setting.
They're readily identifiable by the obvious sound of fanfare that apparently trumpets whenever they enter the room. We also find it fun to observe the throngs of minions (P.P.W.B.'s: Pretty Peeps Wannabe's) that throw themselves at the feet of the PPWB's, gravelling for acceptance and fulfillment from the self-deified snobs.
Are all "Pretty People" self-absorbed and pious with how they relate to others?
Absolutely not.
We have found many outwardly "beautiful people", within whom resides and equally beautiful person.
Just be glad that you are not numbered with the snobs, or that if you have been in the past, thank GOD you've evolved beyond that!
~J~
That sucks when people act that way, It sucks being on the receiving end. I think everyone has some experience on being the butt end. It's not limited to the swinging lifestyle.
This kind of BS goes all the way from the "untouchables" way up to the "hilton" cliques. It's not even limited to money for some people. When I married my wife, her "matriarch" grandmother refused to accept me as family - I wasn't religious enough or not enough accomplishments.
I remember growing up in the LDS religion with some people refusing to even interact with any non-members, "they could be bad influence!", Even at the tender age of ten I remember thinking "thats fucked up" (paraphrased.)
- Did it happen alot or is there some couples we should avoid? We dont want to deal with anyone that has glaring issues.
* Untouchables is a reference to history from india, in which it used to be based on the concept of reincarnation ... and if born in that class, that person is considered so dirty that they are "untouchable"
* Hilton reference is the best way I can figure out some actual high-class snob that is famous just for the behavior mentioned
This kind of BS goes all the way from the "untouchables" way up to the "hilton" cliques. It's not even limited to money for some people. When I married my wife, her "matriarch" grandmother refused to accept me as family - I wasn't religious enough or not enough accomplishments.
I remember growing up in the LDS religion with some people refusing to even interact with any non-members, "they could be bad influence!", Even at the tender age of ten I remember thinking "thats fucked up" (paraphrased.)
- Did it happen alot or is there some couples we should avoid? We dont want to deal with anyone that has glaring issues.
* Untouchables is a reference to history from india, in which it used to be based on the concept of reincarnation ... and if born in that class, that person is considered so dirty that they are "untouchable"
* Hilton reference is the best way I can figure out some actual high-class snob that is famous just for the behavior mentioned
Angel and I had an recent conversation that had me think - what about vibes, do you still talk to some people or do anything with them when you have a bad vibe about them?
I wonder if some of the snobbery we all encounter in the lifestyle might not come from unrealistic expectations? I imagine that most people initially find themselves interested in the lifestyle due to something they've seen in porn, or possibly read in some Harliquinn romance novel. In such settings, the participants are almost stereotypically gorgeous beyond all reason. If this is the type of thing that initially gets one interested in swinging, it has the high potential to set one up for disappointment.
It may be that as someone wishes to be involved with porn stars, they explain that in their profiles, and as such tend to come off as snobbish. More often than not, such people find the exit; as most of us find the attitude such a put off that we wouldn't be involved with them regardless of how good looking they are.
I think for the folks that find the porno fantasy as their gateway into the lifestyle and stay here that it's the act they desire, as opposed to the beauties performing it. Certainly there is something erotic about seeing gorgeous people participate in such a setting, but I would much rather see people enthralled with the ecstacy they experience from their partners than see some models posing and pretending to be aroused.
Just my $0.02
~That 0ne Darc guy
It may be that as someone wishes to be involved with porn stars, they explain that in their profiles, and as such tend to come off as snobbish. More often than not, such people find the exit; as most of us find the attitude such a put off that we wouldn't be involved with them regardless of how good looking they are.
I think for the folks that find the porno fantasy as their gateway into the lifestyle and stay here that it's the act they desire, as opposed to the beauties performing it. Certainly there is something erotic about seeing gorgeous people participate in such a setting, but I would much rather see people enthralled with the ecstacy they experience from their partners than see some models posing and pretending to be aroused.
Just my $0.02
~That 0ne Darc guy
We are a simple down to earth couple. We have yet to run into what I like to call "the plastics" because we just don't respond to the pofile of those with implants and designer clothes. For some they need to pretend to be something they are not because they are hiding what is really inside. My husband has never been that way, but I used to be. I had to have the nails and hair done at the best salon. Now things are different. It was just what I needed to do to make me feel as good as others. Now I know I am just as good without all the fake stuff. I can see both sides, but truely feel sad for "the plastics."
There is a cover for every pot.
Let those snobs find the other snobs and together they can all be happy snobs.
As for us, we'll just laugh them off and move on. We don't need explanations,
people are too diverse to try and categorize them all and changing them would
be a complete waste of time and energy. So... find the ones you are happy and
compatible with and leave the rest to find their ying or yang... piece of cake!!!
Mike & Suz
Let those snobs find the other snobs and together they can all be happy snobs.
As for us, we'll just laugh them off and move on. We don't need explanations,
people are too diverse to try and categorize them all and changing them would
be a complete waste of time and energy. So... find the ones you are happy and
compatible with and leave the rest to find their ying or yang... piece of cake!!!
Mike & Suz
I try to take people as they are, or to say it another way, the way they come. Every one had bad days and good days and some have more bad than not. So if one goes into even the most negative people with a smile and a try to find out what they really are and accept them as they are you can't really be dissappointed(sp). Even the pretenders will drop the pretense if one takes enough time to try to be friends with them. When people on here get pissy like several wo I will not mention since they are not here... I've always tried to give them a passing until they go beyond the nasty stage.....So what I guess I'm trying to say is that everyone should give everyone else a break and try instead of jumping on their back and trying to be the better person... Just let them say what they have to say and try to figure out what they really mean, even if you have to ask them what they beam because it looked like they were saying "xxxxxxyy888yyy" and you're not sure that that was what they meant.. Some times people take another look at what they say and it's not as bad as you first thought.
As for what clothes they wear or the airs they put on just be nice and maybe you'll find the real person there somewhere.
As for what clothes they wear or the airs they put on just be nice and maybe you'll find the real person there somewhere.
Ok, this has been pretty well covered by everyone and extremely well said by Thoughtgarden. Just had a few thoughts to add.
The people who can't get beyond the name brand, the price, the perceived quality of something because someone rich and/or famous says its great just have very different priorities than the down-to-earth types. The more down-to-earth people can also appreciate good quality (in people and things) but they don't need a name brand for it to be "good".
I've had friends over the years who are more than happy to drop name brands of clothes, perfumes, or whatever else turns their crank and while I know they are trying to impress me, it doesn't mean a thing to me. Never has, never will, but I'm happy they are enjoying what they enjoy in life.
It does make me sad to see that kind of behavior though, especially when they NEED to have the latest, greatest, most expensive thing to be happy because they are overlooking so many great things because it isn't in what they would consider in their "league". In the lifestyle, we would be happy to take them as they are, except those kind of people won't give us the time of day. Guess we're too average and unglamorous for them. Thankfully, there are plenty of incredibly fun and sexy people who will take us as we are, and as always they are welcome to take us again!
I wish the rest of them good luck finding what they are looking for.
-SG
The people who can't get beyond the name brand, the price, the perceived quality of something because someone rich and/or famous says its great just have very different priorities than the down-to-earth types. The more down-to-earth people can also appreciate good quality (in people and things) but they don't need a name brand for it to be "good".
I've had friends over the years who are more than happy to drop name brands of clothes, perfumes, or whatever else turns their crank and while I know they are trying to impress me, it doesn't mean a thing to me. Never has, never will, but I'm happy they are enjoying what they enjoy in life.
It does make me sad to see that kind of behavior though, especially when they NEED to have the latest, greatest, most expensive thing to be happy because they are overlooking so many great things because it isn't in what they would consider in their "league". In the lifestyle, we would be happy to take them as they are, except those kind of people won't give us the time of day. Guess we're too average and unglamorous for them. Thankfully, there are plenty of incredibly fun and sexy people who will take us as we are, and as always they are welcome to take us again!
I wish the rest of them good luck finding what they are looking for.-SG
lol we agree... we don't get many replies from anyone down Alabama way i guess because the folks down this way that swing are like that ..or it could be they don't like middle class country folk or they just think we are to big lol not sure which one lol but there lost .. anyone ever notice when there is a mutual interest they are 5 or 600 miles away lol
I try to take people as they are, or to say it another way, the way they come. Every one had bad days and good days and some have more bad than not. So if one goes into even the most negative people with a smile and a try to find out what they really are and accept them as they are you can't really be dissappointed(sp). Even the pretenders will drop the pretense if one takes enough time to try to be friends with them. When people on here get pissy like several wo I will not mention since they are not here... I've always tried to give them a passing until they go beyond the nasty stage.....So what I guess I'm trying to say is that everyone should give everyone else a break and try instead of jumping on their back and trying to be the better person... Just let them say what they have to say and try to figure out what they really mean, even if you have to ask them what they beam because it looked like they were saying "xxxxxxyy888yyy" and you're not sure that that was what they meant.. Some times people take another look at what they say and it's not as bad as you first thought.
As for what clothes they wear or the airs they put on just be nice and maybe you'll find the real person there somewhere.
As for what clothes they wear or the airs they put on just be nice and maybe you'll find the real person there somewhere.
thats what we do xp we agree
SECRETNSIDE: I think you have hit it right on the head for ALL of us if not MOST of us......Put nicely, directly yet blunt enough for some. Kudos!
J & R
J & R
I was wondering what in particular brought about this message from the soap box. I buy most of my clothes from discount stores and do not care about people who think less of me for doing so. A person is not what he owns, but who he is. I think it is pathetic to see someone flaunting their stuff and holding it up, saying, "I own these things, so I am cool. I have cool clothes and a cool car and a cool house and lots of other cool things." These sorts are around everywhere, but what got your fire lit about this kind of stuff. The lifestyle attracts alot of pretenders, and I read it on this board quite frequently. People think being a swinger or a good sex partner makes them cool....WRONG! Being cool is being polite and being fit company to talk to and being friendly.
How many folks are really fit company for others and not so full of their own egos and arrogance that they are intollerable to all others.
How many folks are really fit company for others and not so full of their own egos and arrogance that they are intollerable to all others.
Doran,
Very well put.
Very well put.
Believe XP said it very well. We do our best to treat everyone the way we want to be treated! We try to be friendly and don't sterotype people.
It works most of the time. We have met and formed friendships with some folks we never would have even met in our "normal" circle.
T and V
It works most of the time. We have met and formed friendships with some folks we never would have even met in our "normal" circle.
T and V
Linda and I are pretty open to meet any one,any age.That does not mean we will play with all.There still has to be an attraction of sorts.We do not care what clothes you wear,what kind of car you drive,or any otherthings about you as long as you are real.Some people are fake and yet still post about others being fake and/or snobbish.Look at some of the profiles of some of the posters here and you'll see what i mean.They post one thing but their profile leads you to believe another.I will not mention names cause i do not want to start a war of words but i think all should take a look at their own profiles before slinging mud on others.Let's be real who out there would not rather drive a caddy than a pinto?who would rather wear off the rack clothes than tailor fit?I don't think it is as much what they have but their attitude about having it.We all want to be better than we are otherwise people would not lie on profiles.I'm sure we have all seen the 200 lb person claiming to 150 lbs.This is just an exagerated example but look at profiles and you will see the lies.So i guess what i am saying is don't throw rocks in the glass house.
Phil
Phil
I VOTE FOR NAKED AND IN A PILE ,BUT
Riderz and Kitty,
Amen, lets just all get naked! That should separate the men from the boys!!
Amen, lets just all get naked! That should separate the men from the boys!!
Sorry to say we have ran into more snobs in Utah than anywhere else we've lived. But we have also meet GREAT SEXY SWEET people also. So I think we're even. Mo
we have met quiet a few nice down to earth people on this site but our problem is they are all way out of our capability to meet with .. maybe some day we will find someone thats in our reach lol but until then we will be nice to all and wait it out lol there has to be someone close enough lol
Well to answer the question what brought this post on, first off it was from another string that I first thought of asking this questions(s). Then I started thinking, hey what about all those people you try to simply befriend and they automatically write you off or snub you be it online or at a party or club vegas or what have you. Then I think of some of the messages we have sent to couples to see if they might be interested in getting to know us and not even a response as to say no thanks, or fuck off or whatever. I realize it is in a couples right to simply ignore a message but it would be nice to know what someone thinks from time to time. I mean how uncomfortable is it to have messaged someone who ignored you only to run into them because it turns out you have friends in common? I personally have found it extremely uncomfy, but thats just me though I am sure T agrees. I know we dont always get back to people in a timely manner when the message us but we try to be honest with them from the get go if we are or are not interested.
The thread I referred to at the beginning of my ramblings had a couple belittling someone for a few things. I wont mention the string and or the couple but its was rather rude and upsetting to read something like that. We also agree that there seems to be a more "plastic" crowd in Utah than most any other place we have been. Look I dont mind nice clothes, cars, houses or plastic augmentation, but I dont think that those with all of those things need to act like they are Nobles and we are surfs. Its nice to know however that we are not the only ones that have experienced this. And THOUGHT I liked your reply, I was gonna use all those same words but didnt wanna *wink*.
As far as the post about the religious bias I agree completely our kids are suffering that right now where we live. Just because we dont attend the predominant church, it seems that when our kids are wanting to play all the others all of a sudden have to go in, or they are just blatantly ignored. I mention this because it was all ok until it was made known by a visit of people that one of is not a member the other was but no longer practices due to said bias. So we understand completely and find it sad that those who say " do unto others," only mean it in the context of a building on sundays.
PEACE, LOVE and GRRRREAT SEX!!!
The thread I referred to at the beginning of my ramblings had a couple belittling someone for a few things. I wont mention the string and or the couple but its was rather rude and upsetting to read something like that. We also agree that there seems to be a more "plastic" crowd in Utah than most any other place we have been. Look I dont mind nice clothes, cars, houses or plastic augmentation, but I dont think that those with all of those things need to act like they are Nobles and we are surfs. Its nice to know however that we are not the only ones that have experienced this. And THOUGHT I liked your reply, I was gonna use all those same words but didnt wanna *wink*.
As far as the post about the religious bias I agree completely our kids are suffering that right now where we live. Just because we dont attend the predominant church, it seems that when our kids are wanting to play all the others all of a sudden have to go in, or they are just blatantly ignored. I mention this because it was all ok until it was made known by a visit of people that one of is not a member the other was but no longer practices due to said bias. So we understand completely and find it sad that those who say " do unto others," only mean it in the context of a building on sundays.
PEACE, LOVE and GRRRREAT SEX!!!
More humor. A little pick-you-up. These threads have been gloomy lately. I know I know... I am an asshole.
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To argue that god exists or doesn't is fruitless. You can no more prove you stance than anyone else can prove theirs. All you can do is state why you <u>believe</u> a god or gods exist. Just as other that do not believe, can tell you why the do not. Can either be proven with absolution? NO! As I have stated before, I will have nothing to do with man-made cults. If there is a god, it will present itself to me. I don't need an imperfect being (a human) to act as a catalyst. If you have to find God, does that mean he is hiding?
Your way of thinking only shows that one finds the god that other humans around you present to you. So if you are never introduced, you never find him. That is not suggestive of omnipotence or omnipresence. To claim that it takes more will or guts to believe in god than to venture into the dark, is illogical. "God" is a security blanket. Fear of the unknown is what drives man to invent an afterlife. Tell those that bring their children to fake healers, snake handlers... Ask those that would drink the koolaid, burn in a compound or attempt to ride a comet. Tell those that pay psychics outlandish sums of money in an attempt to talk to dead relatives through some con artist like Sylvia Brown or John Edwards. Look up thieves like Benny Hinn, Jim Baker, Jim Swaggart etc. I won't even touch the religions here in Utah. I may offend some friends. I will just say they can have their "club". Please, exclude me. I will remain unconvinced. You can remain convinced. There is no wrong answer. It's what works for you.
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To argue that god exists or doesn't is fruitless. You can no more prove you stance than anyone else can prove theirs. All you can do is state why you <u>believe</u> a god or gods exist. Just as other that do not believe, can tell you why the do not. Can either be proven with absolution? NO! As I have stated before, I will have nothing to do with man-made cults. If there is a god, it will present itself to me. I don't need an imperfect being (a human) to act as a catalyst. If you have to find God, does that mean he is hiding?
Your way of thinking only shows that one finds the god that other humans around you present to you. So if you are never introduced, you never find him. That is not suggestive of omnipotence or omnipresence. To claim that it takes more will or guts to believe in god than to venture into the dark, is illogical. "God" is a security blanket. Fear of the unknown is what drives man to invent an afterlife. Tell those that bring their children to fake healers, snake handlers... Ask those that would drink the koolaid, burn in a compound or attempt to ride a comet. Tell those that pay psychics outlandish sums of money in an attempt to talk to dead relatives through some con artist like Sylvia Brown or John Edwards. Look up thieves like Benny Hinn, Jim Baker, Jim Swaggart etc. I won't even touch the religions here in Utah. I may offend some friends. I will just say they can have their "club". Please, exclude me. I will remain unconvinced. You can remain convinced. There is no wrong answer. It's what works for you.
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<script>document.write('<img src="ht'+'tp://mazeguy.net/animal/boxer.gif">');</script> I really must say this... For disagreeing with me, you have remained cordial and interesting to talk to. I would love to continue the conversation with a large dose of subjectivity on both our parts. I do enjoying listening to your perspective, don't get me wrong. I neither believe or disbelieve in god. I just don't know. I am just saying I do not see enough to convince me... yet.
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<script>document.write('<img src="ht'+'tp://mazeguy.net/animal/boxer.gif">');</script> I really must say this... For disagreeing with me, you have remained cordial and interesting to talk to. I would love to continue the conversation with a large dose of subjectivity on both our parts. I do enjoying listening to your perspective, don't get me wrong. I neither believe or disbelieve in god. I just don't know. I am just saying I do not see enough to convince me... yet.
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look up! LOL
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Sounds good man.
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Sounds good man.
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I'm curious as to why anyone here would think that just because people are on a swingers site they would be any different than the mix of people you will find walking around the mall.
Since the beginning of time/man/whatever you want to call it/believe people have segregated themselves into groups, cliques, and we've all been on one end or the other of these. It's just a fact of life folks, and being here on a swingers site isn't going to change that one bit. You'll find people you like, you'll find people you lust after, you'll find people that annoy the shit out of you, and you'll find people you'll dislike. Just as in your day-to-day contact with everyone else in this world.
I think when you just accept the fact that not everyone will be your cup of tea, nor you theirs, life is just a lot easier. So they won't email you back...doesn't that tell you all you need to know?
Also, maybe it's nice to remember that not everyone communicates in the same way. Maybe, just maybe, that couple that isn't emailing you not because they are snobbish but because they are shy, or they just don't communicate the same way you do.
Of course, maybe I'm just completely full of shit
Since the beginning of time/man/whatever you want to call it/believe people have segregated themselves into groups, cliques, and we've all been on one end or the other of these. It's just a fact of life folks, and being here on a swingers site isn't going to change that one bit. You'll find people you like, you'll find people you lust after, you'll find people that annoy the shit out of you, and you'll find people you'll dislike. Just as in your day-to-day contact with everyone else in this world.
I think when you just accept the fact that not everyone will be your cup of tea, nor you theirs, life is just a lot easier. So they won't email you back...doesn't that tell you all you need to know?
Also, maybe it's nice to remember that not everyone communicates in the same way. Maybe, just maybe, that couple that isn't emailing you not because they are snobbish but because they are shy, or they just don't communicate the same way you do.
Of course, maybe I'm just completely full of shit
People it's like this : If someone is a little let's say "CORN COBISH" the absolute best remedy is to help them.
What I mean by this is to give them a little plastic rain coat for their noses and the phone number to a local surgeon.
Then walk away and be happy for you are not like them so when reality set's who is actually the better person?
The store bought replacement parts person?
Or the "original person".
Don't let someone else's opinion get ya down, wish them well during the next rain storm then smile and laugh.
Think about it I bought these XY Jeans at Sacs 5th for Four Hundred bucks .
Then you say hey guess what I bought "2 Pairs "of those exact same jeans different colors , 4 shirts , 3 belts , a new pair of shoes , a handbag , got my nails done , had lunch with my sister, got the oil changed in my car, bought the car a new tire becasue it's been good to me, and rented a few movies to take home to watch tonight all for $399.95 . And I got it all Walmart and say it with a smile!!
Now who is gonna be the boob in this situation ?
It's all in how you look at it. I have 53 pairs of shoes in my closet all under $15 bucks. I am proud of that. The way I think I would rather have 53 choices that day than 2 choices for $200.00.
Catch my drift . Smiles to eveyone
What I mean by this is to give them a little plastic rain coat for their noses and the phone number to a local surgeon.
Then walk away and be happy for you are not like them so when reality set's who is actually the better person?
The store bought replacement parts person?
Or the "original person".
Don't let someone else's opinion get ya down, wish them well during the next rain storm then smile and laugh.
Think about it I bought these XY Jeans at Sacs 5th for Four Hundred bucks .
Then you say hey guess what I bought "2 Pairs "of those exact same jeans different colors , 4 shirts , 3 belts , a new pair of shoes , a handbag , got my nails done , had lunch with my sister, got the oil changed in my car, bought the car a new tire becasue it's been good to me, and rented a few movies to take home to watch tonight all for $399.95 . And I got it all Walmart and say it with a smile!!
Now who is gonna be the boob in this situation ?
It's all in how you look at it. I have 53 pairs of shoes in my closet all under $15 bucks. I am proud of that. The way I think I would rather have 53 choices that day than 2 choices for $200.00.
Catch my drift . Smiles to eveyone