Swingers Forum - Same Sex Marriage

Just thought some people might be interested in signing a petition supporting same sex marriage. Thank you to all who sign.

http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/millionformarriageac

I don't at all. Long story short I ran into a girl I went to high school with. A night before my younger brother. Who deals dope and has snorted coke. That isn't the point. The point is Josh asked her if she wanted to get high with them since it as the night before his wedding. She didn't becuase we were fucking. LOL. Anyway, a couple weeks later we hung out a couple times. She got drunk and mad at me. And felt it was a good time to inform me that there were a couple gay guys that were friends of hers. Telling people I have AIDS in my home town. Never ever once bashed a gay guy, never even been mean to one. Maybe I should have. I have a little brother that went gay. That doesn't change the fact that he pops pills and is a pot head. I went to Claion University of PA for a year. The KDR's aske d me to pledge thier Frat. Spent the first semester pledging. In december right before Christmas break. I was at a party at an apratment that was being used by a couple KDR's. Anyway, the conversation led to ex-girlfriends. One of the brothers asked me to come into his bed room. Cause he said he knew the girl I was talking about. There wasn't a chance he knew her. Anyway, He told me I was thier favorite pledge. Lit a match held it infront of me then asked me to count to ten backwards. After i did that he blew out the match. then held a Cross on a chain in front of me and recited the Greek alpha bet. then snapped his fingers. he sat down on the bed looked me in the eye and said he knew the girl I dated in high school. That he could tell me how to contact her. All I had to do was suck him off. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I laughed at him. funny thing was the big titted blonde that was dating one of the cooler brothers. Was leaning against the door when I walked out. She was to drunk to get out of the way when I walked out of the room. There is another story I have that involes one of the KDR brothers and his girl friend and me. I am not going to bore you but if you want to know I can tell you all about it. Think about that before you sign this petition. And don't get me wrong, As long as we have the constitution in this country then the government has no right to tell us how to live our personal sexual lives.

nope can't go along with this one. words have meanings.marriage has been clearly defined and does not require a new definition. if two people of the same sex want to have a union or bonding fine ,but find another word.why does it have to be called marraige? to me this is an attack on the root of civilization.just my feelings and no i do not need to be called a fucktard or some other stupid name for having an opinion.

Wow,

What a controversial topic I guess.

Listen, We all have our own preferences. That is why most of us are here, no? I don't think any of us should be against same sex marriage just because it isn't the norm. If it's not for you then so be it. You don't have to agree with it. Doesn't make it wrong for someone else. A lot of people don't like swingers. I think we have had post about an entire religious organization trying to stop swing clubs recently, but that doesn't make our lifestyle choices wrong either. Tolerance is key here guys. It's not right for me either but I support those who it is right for. I see no reason the govn' or anyone else should impose on their rights to happiness anymore than anyone should stop any of us from swinging.

Now for those breaking out the scripture talk, WTF? Let's leave that kind of stuff at church. I am sorry but we dont see any point to that at all. Maybe it was a sarcastic remark and if so I misunderstood and I appollogize.

One more thing,

"I don't at all. Long story short I ran into a girl I went to high school with. A night before my younger brother. Who deals dope and has snorted coke. That isn't the point. The point is Josh asked her if she wanted to get high with them since it as the night before his wedding. She didn't becuase we were fucking. LOL. Anyway, a couple weeks later we hung out a couple times. She got drunk and mad at me. And felt it was a good time to inform me that there were a couple gay guys that were friends of hers. Telling people I have AIDS in my home town. Never ever once bashed a gay guy, never even been mean to one. Maybe I should have. I have a little brother that went gay. That doesn't change the fact that he pops pills and is a pot head. I went to Claion University of PA for a year. The KDR's aske d me to pledge thier Frat. Spent the first semester pledging. In december right before Christmas break. I was at a party at an apratment that was being used by a couple KDR's. Anyway, the conversation led to ex-girlfriends. One of the brothers asked me to come into his bed room. Cause he said he knew the girl I was talking about. There wasn't a chance he knew her. Anyway, He told me I was thier favorite pledge. Lit a match held it infront of me then asked me to count to ten backwards. After i did that he blew out the match. then held a Cross on a chain in front of me and recited the Greek alpha bet. then snapped his fingers. he sat down on the bed looked me in the eye and said he knew the girl I dated in high school. That he could tell me how to contact her. All I had to do was suck him off. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I laughed at him. funny thing was the big titted blonde that was dating one of the cooler brothers. Was leaning against the door when I walked out. She was to drunk to get out of the way when I walked out of the room. There is another story I have that involes one of the KDR brothers and his girl friend and me. I am not going to bore you but if you want to know I can tell you all about it. Think about that before you sign this petition. And don't get me wrong, As long as we have the constitution in this country then the government has no right to tell us how to live our personal sexual lives."

Seriously, WTF are you talking about. Maybe I am just completely retarded but I don't understand a single point you were trying to make here.

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Simply put...

Who are WE (as swingers) to talk about the definition of marriage? Who are WE to judge the "Tradition" of marriage or the "Traditional" definition of marriage?

And what does gay marriage have to do with us as swingers?

Since we, as swingers, demand the freedom to do with our relationships - and our marriages - as we will, shouldn't everyone be allowed equal freedom? Regardless of their sexual orientation?

Marriage should be open to all. Period.

A swinger talking about and trying to defend the "traditional" marriage is simply laughable, hypocritical bullshit to me.

-Mr. K_T

Don,

Do you think these fine folk that have an issue with same sex marriage are still upset about women's right to vote? I'll bet the arguments were similar. It's real hard to defend nonsense.

Same sex couples quite simply have the right to life, liberty, and happiness just as we do.

C

Ich habe einen kleinen Vogel am Ende meiner Hand

I swear last time I read the decleration of independence it said we have the right to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Hapiness. Unless you have a Homosexual perference." Did I read the wrong one?

To us this should be a simple thing but once you mix a blend of politics and more sacred than ye religion it becomes a messy brew. We live in Key West where the city motto is

I support gay marriage.

I support my sister's right to love whom she chooses, to give her heart and soul to the person she chooses. My sister just happens to love another woman.

Why is her love any less than yours or mine?

How does her being able to marry the person she loves hurt your marriage or take away from your relationship?

Gays would take the same vows would they not? They'd make the same commitments? They'd love, cry, fight, makeup just the same?

I'm tired of the sanctimonious, claims of how gay marriage will weaken straight marriage. Is your marriage that damn insecure that someone else being allowed to marry will cause issues for you?

I'm tired of the what next argument. Folks will be marrying goats. BS!

How about this one, swingers shouldn't be allowed to marry because of how they trash their vows to remain faithful? Not too cool? Stay out of the love lives of others and you'll get the same in return.

You want your version of love and commitment respected, how about giving some of that respect in return?

I have no problem with poly couples under a marriage contract - it does make for a legal mess but no more than the same thing done is serial fashion with multiple divorces. You stopped short in the "man and a woman" thing - it also is "a man and a woman faithful to only each other for life." The "faithful"does not include how we bend that term to support swinging and the "to death do us part" side of it had been a part of the whole idea to protect society until we did not like it any more. It also was a man and a woman of the same race but we stopped that too. A couple that follows all the traditional values of marriage saying they do not agree with same sex marriage has a touch of logic to me but you can not just take one part of the value and abandon the others and keep the high moral ground IMHO.

Very true Pet and there is a lot more to the lack of rights than just the ICU. Children is one of the big items and rights of joint ownership. More than all of that if we are to make a separate contract for those that do now fit the traditional marriage view than just where do you draw the line. Some 85 year old getting married to another 85 year old does not fit nor would anyone with an open marriage. An older woman getting hitched to a younger man or the other way around is also off the normal view of marriage. Why allow them to get married, shouldn't they be required to just have a social contract? We have gone over all this in the past, just add race in place of sex and you are there.

As to the horse - we do not allow an animal to join into any contract or someone that is not capable of making a decision on their own to do so. I think even if we open up same sex marriage the sheep, cows and horses will be just for those that cheat in the barnyard <g>

personally I don't care who marries who. Where does the government get off telling people who they can marry ? Stupid stupid stupid.

Not always Jim.

And you still haven't addressed why you feel that you should be able to say who gets married and who doesn't?

Nothing against you personally- so please don't take it that way - I'm just curious.

This is such a tricky subject...

Anyway. The problem I have with the statement is this: I think the government should not have anything to do with marriage! Let people be married. committed or whatever they like. The government shouldn't have a role in it.

The reason why they should be allowed to marry: The rights and/or privledges given to married couples.

The reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry: Offense to the religious people who believe this is against society.

Solution: Take marriage away from the government, and let people do as they please! Nobody's really offended, and the government can take its head out of a place it really doesn't belong.

pet no problem.this is just an open discussion of a situation. i believe what i believe.i don't expect to change anybody's mind and am not trying to.i don't think that this is a problem with a solution that everyone will ever agree with. but as long as everyone can keep it civil i see no reason why we can't talk

TR,

Check out this link. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2917/driver.html

It's long but interesting.

C

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Jesus Fucking CHRIST!

If you're going to go through all the trouble to write new laws, pass new legislation and all the bullshit to create a new "Legal State of Being" just to preserve the word "Marriage" for all of you "Holier than thou" panty wastes (yes, I said WASTES!) then just save A LOT OF TIME and just

e x p a n d

the definition of the term marriage to include EVERYONE!

There! Much simpler AND it saves us all a lot of time and money.

40 years from now we're going to be looking back at this the same way we look at Civil Rights.

Does anyone here still think THAT was a bad idea?

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Don,

Try one more link: http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/DrivingRight.html

Let me know what you think.

C

Verdammen Sie Ihr schwieriges

I think they should have the right, and well I reckon we gonna sign on. I have family that is gay and if they feel it will make them happier then more power to them. Like Tequila said fuck them fuckers who think they should be able to decide for everyone (they are usually fucking wrong anyways dems and repubs) so fuckem.

For Hell's sakes save us the slippery slope mumbo jumbo. Jimrnjann and especially, Really98 you are taking this way too far. I mean, I could do an entire example like this about how if we allow our children to make personal choices about what they would like to eat for dinner eventually it will lead to them taking complete control and turning into phsycopathic killers because we allowed them to chose that life. I don't think that is any more of a stretch than what you are saying. Please forgive my bluntness here but I beleive your entire argument is complete and total, irattional bullshit. This is the same kind of close minded and far stretched argument that repressed african americans for so long.

Quoted from earlier reply

Posted By: REALLY98 Reply posted on:
Mar 28, 2007 - 9:05 am
"Well we are fairly neutral on this issue with a few exceptions. Just a few thoughts so don't hate us for it.

1 Marrige is defined as being between a man and a woman. If you legalize gay marriage then where do you draw the line, as an example say my wife and i have a girlfriend why can't we marry her and add her to our health benifits and her kids i mean there is no more defined definition of marriage so if we chose to be poly why can't our extended partner be included or the say even the couple we swing with, if we chose this as a lifestyle why can't we all share and really entended our family tree. Or then why can't a woman have two husbands twice the shopping power lol Why not ad poligamy there are lots of people that would enjoy that. I think its a slippery slope once you open the definition up then where do you close it with out hurting another group.

Yes we think cival unions are fine because it give legal rights to act on the behalf of your partner and makes the state reconize legal status some and issues but there are still limitations.

Yes to everyone has a right to be free and happy thats what makes this country great but it then becomes a matter of if you allow marriage then where do you stop the new definition.
At what point or who would decide when to stop if i think a man should be able to have multiple wives i should be able to them or if the wife wants a spare husband or two for extra shopping power why can't she.

it could get much more extreme than these examples

Again its stricty a matter of where do you stop what group do you not allow. Who gets to decide the new line. The West had poligamy for years before requiring it to be outlawed if the territory wanted state hood. Shouldn't poigamy be a religous freedom. There are many other religions that allow the practice and no i am not making a case for the flds in southern utah]
But then why not send a letter to the state expreesing that poligamy should be legal or polymry or polyandry.

Living all over the country we have seen that in most places you have straight couples and gay couples so thats all the news focus's on. But after living in the west now for 7 years our eyes have been opened to other types of families and why should they have to hide if they are over 18 and concent why can't they have freedom as well. It is only fair poligamy was around long before gay marriage was ever even dreamed of. So if you send a letter in support of one then type one out for the poly group and we'll sign them both.Just becase the east coast and california have their own agenda's you should be willing to help out a cause a lot older than gay marrage. It is a true part of western history and lifestyle,it's helped settle the Western US. Or is it just another way for give us a great new things like wolves grizzlies gay marrage.

off topic somewhat

by the way we are doing a letter since we did get the wolves and grizzlys in our back yard
Then we feel it only fair to sign a petition that rats and cock roaches In large East coast citys have rights and should be free to live admist humans without fear of being killed or wounded and that hurting these wonderful creatures shall be against the law with sevre penalties enforcement should be at the federal level.we want to return the favor to are east coast friends."

Ten Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong
Submitted by HEYtheskysfalling on Tue, 10/24/2006 - 5:26pm.
Here it is. The top ten reasons gays should not be allowed to get married:


Homosexuality is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

Straight marriage will be less meaningful if homosexual marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Homosexual couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans

THAT'S THE ARGUMENT!!!!!!!

In reply to HOTIDCPL907


Irrational bullshit mmmmm lets see my point was where is the line drawn.

Is it not a fact that poligamy was a practice in the Western United States and that was 1 of the condition set forth for territorry's to be granted statehood.

Is Poligamy still practiced by some faiths in parts of some states and many countries worldwide.

My point is you want to say marriage is between 2 people regardless of sex that is the main point of the disscussion. But then you then go one and imediately go on to say NOPE can't be between 3 or 4 concenting adults, my argument is why not.

The statement I was getting at was if you are trying to say that gay marriage needs to be addressed then lets address ALL types. Poligamy polyandry and other poly relationship are far older marriage issues that should be dealt with at the same time. It is okay to send a poligamist to jail for his disreguard for the law. And yes if anyone is underage, then they should be sent straight to jail and do not pass go. But now we can let him marry Bubba in prison.

So you have strictly chossen to fight for one group of people all the while you still condem another.

And for those that says the definition of marriage is religious definition. MMMM lots of religons allow poligamy but you stomp on their freedoms, their values, their traditions without a second thought.

And yes we agree that cival unions should be there to give legal right to a partner.

I have never said any type of relationship is better than another but someone has to play devils advocate.

I guess I just don't care one way or the other.. What consenting adults do is up to them. WhoTF has the right to tell people how to do what.... Speed limits.... pay taxes, no killing , no stealing but after that we should be left alone.... If it's the tax thing that has polititions worried re marriage between same sex... Polititions constantly try to leislate morality. Just looking at the past few years in Washington DC and other Capitols, we could suppose that society is either really fucked up or that polititions are. Which ever the case live and let live...Hell, probbly 80% of the women in the lifestyle are bi..... No marriage there but there is sex between same sex... So what's wrong with same sex marriages.....Oh, and many same sex couples stay together longer than couples of oposite gender.

A personal story about marriage - same sex or not.

When we first got together we both agreed we didn't believe in marriage because it was too government subsidized and too close to religion and just basically didn't have any meaning to us in the arena of love, trust, respect, honesty, etc. So for the first 7 years of being in blissful happiness together and having 2 "bastard" children with a third on the way, we realized that one of us working would just basically be paying for day care with our checks. So we would need to cover the person who quit on an insurance plan, which back in the day, could only be done if you were married (WE ALWAYS LOVE TO TELL PEOPLE WE HAD TO GET MARRIED!) Nice to see this has changed now but theres still much more to go in a "free democracy" er, I mean republic!

At the same time we began to look at estate planning and financial concerns for our 2 beautiful bastard daughters and and soon to be son, and found out exactly what others here are referring to in respect to the rights of common law partners = bad stuff!
So we started interviewing lawyer's and reading more and more law to where we eventually said "fuck this". We could pay thousands of dollars to get all the legal stuff done just to find out that any hot shot attorney could over turn it. Or we could just take a nice few hundred dollar trip to Tahoe and call it good. LOVING HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES CAN'T DO THAT!

So the really sick thing about all this is that the over protection of marriage doesn't just effect homosexuals but all of the society that likes to blissfully ignorantly claim they live in a "free democracy" where all are created equal and have equal rights.

Now we can't wait until the kids are grown so we can get divorced - and still love, respect, trust, etc. each other just as much as before.

Well there are 13 posts on this topic alone from the TR idiot. Does this guy need a job or what. I know someone will hire is migrant worker ass.

Reply to Really98:

Posted By: REALLY98 Reply posted on:
Mar 29, 2007 - 10:12 am
In reply to HOTIDCPL907


---"Irrational bullshit mmmmm lets see my point was where is the line drawn.

Is it not a fact that poligamy was a practice in the Western United States and that was 1 of the condition set forth for territorry's to be granted statehood.

Is Poligamy still practiced by some faiths in parts of some states and many countries worldwide."---

I am very familur with Poligamy and the laws and religious stuff around it. I am after all an Idahoan who was raised Mormon. While your argument may have some valid points I think it is a harsh example of what could happen if we cease to discriminate against a group of people who may even possibly be born that way. (BTW there is becoming DNA evidence to support that theory) Even though I do beleive for some it is a trendy fad.

---"My point is you want to say marriage is between 2 people regardless of sex that is the main point of the disscussion. But then you then go one and imediately go on to say NOPE can't be between 3 or 4 concenting adults, my argument is why not."---

Your putting words in my "text" here. I never said anything about marriage being between two people. Where did you get that? Also I never said "NOPE" to anything about 3 or 4 people. I never even touched on the subject of poligamy. So what are you arguing that with me for? Where did you get the idea that I was intolerant of poligamy? So again, what is your point?

---"The statement I was getting at was if you are trying to say that gay marriage needs to be addressed then lets address ALL types. Poligamy polyandry and other poly relationship are far older marriage issues that should be dealt with at the same time. It is okay to send a poligamist to jail for his disreguard for the law. And yes if anyone is underage, then they should be sent straight to jail and do not pass go. But now we can let him marry Bubba in prison."---

Tell me exactly when poligamy began? I will say that I don't know for sure and I don't know which was first but I will argue that if you think homosexuality is a recent event your sadly mistaken. Ever read any Plato? Seems to me that is some of the earliest text we actually know has some factual basis and the big thing is homosexuality.

---"So you have strictly chossen to fight for one group of people all the while you still condem another."---

Once again, your implying that I have said things I did not say. Show me in my argument where I condemed anyone, Please. And I am fighting for this group because I beleive that some of the people whom are homosexual are honestly born such. Once again I have read biological evidence to support this theory. Also just to help you along with your argument there is some biological advantages to poligamy in certain situations. An example of this is among agricultural societies where the advantage lies in having one man and many women to help out with everything when people are far more spread out then in cities.

---"And for those that says the definition of marriage is religious definition. MMMM lots of religons allow poligamy but you stomp on their freedoms, their values, their traditions without a second thought."---

I won't say I am perfect, but I certainly try not to stomp on anyone's freedoms thanks.


---"And yes we agree that cival unions should be there to give legal right to a partner.

I have never said any type of relationship is better than another but someone has to play devils advocate."---

Why only civil unions? What is the difference between a civil union and a mariage except the wording and that one applies strictly to homosexuals while the other is exclusive to hetro couples. And I will argue your own point here and say that if we in fact allow these civil unions between homosexual couples, where do we draw the line here? I don't agree with your argument I am just pointing out the holes in it. You are saying it's not ok to allow "gay marriage" because of what it means to be married and how that would effect other types of relationships which might redifine marriage and then you say it is ok to allow the exact same thing under a different pretense. Makes perfect sense.

One more thing,

Please don't take offense to anything I am saying I am just giving my opinion. I have yet to find a reasonable arguement for not allowing homosexual's the same right that we have to be happy. Other than their sexual prefrence they are no different from us. Once again remember we used to think that it was ok to supress african americans too. You still think that is ok? Do you think we have caused a catastrophe by treating them as equals?

It's not that there is nothing left to say, it's more that those of us in support of same sexd marriages will never change the minds of those who aren't.

Bigotry and bing narrowminded are traits that some are unwilling to give up. Even when faced with the fact that their stance is incorrect and harmful.

To Diesel two bi-women munching on each others pussy is not the same as them wanting to get married.no different than when my wife and hook up with another couple it is just for that particular night we DO NOTwant to marry them.Personally I could care less wether gays can get married.But why should it stop there?Why can't we have more than one spouse?And of course the insurance companies would have to cover all.Well just my penny's worth i'll save the other penny for later.
Phil

Well to make clear this is the MRS part of Stitchutah, I can't speak for him. As for me, I have to admit there are some of you whom posted that make some good points, and then there are some that make no sense to the forum at all. LOL! I really like some of your opinions and you make good points, such as Kinbaku, Thoughtgarden, and to some extent REally98. I have to say though that even though I have read every post to this topic I really don't know where I stand on this issue of same sex marriage. I have to be honest and say, I am torn. Some of you can respect that and others will bash it, but either way.....its just honesty.
I really like Kinbaku's point about who are we as swingers to judge a non traditional marriage when none of us married couples that swing and have open marriages can be considered "traditional" to the rest of the world. Infact, there are a lot of those outside of swingworld that place high judgement on our choice of lifestyle just as they do same sex marriages. ONe of you commented on (I can't remember who, maybe it was TR) or rather, asked how those that didn't agree with same sex marriages would feel if they couldn't be married to their spouse legally (excuse me if I got that question wrong, I believe that is how it was put) and I have to say to that.....being on both sides of the fence here, that if I couldn't be married to Mr Stitch, whom I love and cherish and will love and cherish for my entire life (just as I am sure a gay couple feels for their life partner) marriage to him does not change my feelings for him. I would still be with him, I would still love him just the same, my life wouldn't change as far as how I live or feel. I would still have my children and so forth. The only things it would change (which, mind you, are huge and helpful in our marriage) is our legal rights such as tax benefits, insurance (we don't have anyhow, but at least we have the option), and other things that I am not fully aware of I even have rights to. I am sure I take those rights for granited as I am sure other married couples do as well. I don't argue that point, at all. However, isn't there, and tell me if I am wrong, ways around some of those legal issues some of you have brought up (medical rights, when decision can't be made by person) by putting in a living will whom you've appointed power of attorney too? If same sex couples can't legally be married by laws set forth by the government then they just need to take extra precautions to protect what they can. They need to be proactive by doing whatever they can to protect their union. Yes, there are some things they won't be able to do anything about unless the law is changed, but there are some thing they can do, and they should do.
Like I said, I still don't know what side of the fence I fall on.....I don't entirely agree with same sex marriage, however, I don't entirely disagree with it either. It to me is a complicated issue, and its very possible that I complicate it myself. Where I agree with REALLY98 ( I believe is their names) is where they state....where do you draw the line? The government has a hand in almost everything we do, including marriage, and there isn't anything we can really do to change that. I tend to agree with the statement that somewhere down the road if we move that line and say...Okay, same sex marriage is legal, then some ppl may argue well, okay, same sex marriage is okay so now, me and my spouse want to be married to our girlfriend/boyfriend or hell the couple we swing with,...... now why can't we do that, marriage isn't defined anymore as just man and women, so why isn't my rights to legalize poly okay? Some may argue, that it would never happen, but I am posistive that if you ask older ppl in the community that if they thought they'd ever see same sex marriage being brought up I am sure they would say HELL NO, we thought we'd never see that day, and yet, here it is!
I just thought that was a good point that Really98 made.....now, the whole marrying an animal thing, ugggh, I really hope that day never comes, but then again, you never know what some ppl might do. (GRIN).
I, for one, never will judge a same sex couple....nor do I want to EVER seem as though I am judging them. I guess I really don't think there is anything wrong with same sex marriage, truthfully. The conclusion I have made for myself is....I will live my life with my family and do what I can to raise my children to be tolerate, loving, and non judgemental. We try everyday to raise them to make their own decisions based on how THEY feel about things, not what others think (and if you don't think that isn't a task, it certainly is!!!) I think this world is getting to be more and more complicated, and it will only get worse b4 it gets better (no, I am not a dooms day person) and all we can do as parents and as a family is protect whom we love the most that being, eachother, and our children. Thats all, I am sure, everyone wants to do here whether same sex or "traditional" (however you define that) so I suppose we are really have the same agenda in mind, right?