Ummmmm.....That CAN'T be good.......
Ummmmm.....That CAN'T be good.......
That is just SO wrong! I mean having fantasies is great, but to do what she did to make her fantasy come true, its just not right. And for him to just let it happen, what in the world was he thinking? Can we say "roleplaying"?
To me, this is a good example of why not everyone can or should be in this lifestyle. And also a good reminder that the key to success in the lifestyle is communication and perhaps a better grasp on reality.
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To me, this is a good example of why not everyone can or should be in this lifestyle. And also a good reminder that the key to success in the lifestyle is communication and perhaps a better grasp on reality.
-SG
Just happy it
We agree these people are not swingers and should not be even close to the class of swingers.
Damn why didn't stuff like that ever happen to me when I was a teenager?:*
Just a thought here...
Compare this to another post about women being drugged at parties...
In both situations you are giving another human being a substance to reduce or remove any ability to say no to unwanted sexual advances.
Rape is rape no matter if it is an adult/adult rape or adult/child rape. And if someone is too drunk/high/drugged to consent and the person continues, it's rape.
To those thinking it's kind of cool, wrong. For an adult who is by their age, in a position of power to abuse that power and sexually assault another is not cool.
It's illegal, it's immoral and it's flat out disgusting.
Compare this to another post about women being drugged at parties...
In both situations you are giving another human being a substance to reduce or remove any ability to say no to unwanted sexual advances.
Rape is rape no matter if it is an adult/adult rape or adult/child rape. And if someone is too drunk/high/drugged to consent and the person continues, it's rape.
To those thinking it's kind of cool, wrong. For an adult who is by their age, in a position of power to abuse that power and sexually assault another is not cool.
It's illegal, it's immoral and it's flat out disgusting.
Well said Pet4489.
Still agree what was done is a wrong but I was just thinking of an old movie, "The Summer of '42" and can't remember any public outcry about a movie showing some young boy being mentally scared by an older lady. (Great movie BTW - nominated for over a dozen awards and winning two. It also allowed for a great standing joke as a teen saying "I'm bringing the marshmallows - what are you bringing? See the movie for the answer - good training for swingers) Maybe I'm wrong but I wonder who needed the drinks to do this more - the teens or the adults. I'm too long from 16 to know for sure but can't say with any level of certainty if I would have turned down a older women wanting to teach me. Guys - would you have run from an offer like this as a teenager?
Still wrong and I know for sure I have a major double standard because I wouldn't feel the same if this was a 15 year old girl. Could be because I'm a guy and have daughters. I find it hard to understand the "why" of doing it with the risk. I also doubt any young teen would have that much to offer (I do remember a bit from those days and can say for sure my best performance did not occur in the back seat of my parents car!)
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Still wrong and I know for sure I have a major double standard because I wouldn't feel the same if this was a 15 year old girl. Could be because I'm a guy and have daughters. I find it hard to understand the "why" of doing it with the risk. I also doubt any young teen would have that much to offer (I do remember a bit from those days and can say for sure my best performance did not occur in the back seat of my parents car!)
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It is a double standard, because it is wrong both ways. A teenaged boy is in his prime during this age and is victimized by the older woman because she is using his heightened libido as a means to seduce him. He, being underaged and immature, is not able to make a sound decision just as a female, the same age, would not be. Many people don't view it the same way because guys, as teens, would not usually decline such an offer. We fellow guys can sympathize with the kid.
It is not the kid we are talking about though. It is the adult commiting the crime. So to ask guys what they would've done in that circumstance is irrelevant. It is still a matter of an adult taking advantage of the na
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It is a double standard, because it is wrong both ways. A teenaged boy is in his prime during this age and is victimized by the older woman because she is using his heightened libido as a means to seduce him. He, being underaged and immature, is not able to make a sound decision just as a female, the same age, would not be. Many people don't view it the same way because guys, as teens, would not usually decline such an offer. We fellow guys can sympathize with the kid.
It is not the kid we are talking about though. It is the adult commiting the crime. So to ask guys what they would've done in that circumstance is irrelevant. It is still a matter of an adult taking advantage of the na
I can't or wwon't take the moral high ground here. I believe what was done was legally wrong. I was having sex by age 12 and knew what I was doing then. Was I legally competant??? According to statutes then and now, I was too young to make a good judgement. Did these boys or any others boys ever need alcohol to get into the mood to have sex??? Legally they did wrong.... If the boys were 10, 9 maybe even 11 maybe then they sould be too young to participate...
Now people taking the moral high ground........ Is swinging morally right? The lifestyle is sometimes called a fringe thing. It's not illegal according to the law but there are those who say that morality says that sharing each other with someone outside of the marriage is wrong. For those of you in Utah.... Polygamy, polygyny and polyandry is wrong... Actually the state had to outlaw the practice of having more than one wife or they wouldn't have gotten statehood. So they used the term Polyegemy or having more than one wife or having more than one husband at the same time. Polygyny is having more than one wife at the same time. It is illegal in most states for either of these 3 states or conditions to exist or to participate in.
I guess what I'm saying is, Are swingers morally upright or righteous enough to make the moral judgement on these people. Certainly, what they did was illegal but.... 50 years ago what we do today would have gotten us ousted from the community, church, loss of job (and that could still happen today) and maybe even jailed, under the right circumstances..
So, before we cast the first stone let us be certain that we are righteous or that we are well outside of our glass house.
Now people taking the moral high ground........ Is swinging morally right? The lifestyle is sometimes called a fringe thing. It's not illegal according to the law but there are those who say that morality says that sharing each other with someone outside of the marriage is wrong. For those of you in Utah.... Polygamy, polygyny and polyandry is wrong... Actually the state had to outlaw the practice of having more than one wife or they wouldn't have gotten statehood. So they used the term Polyegemy or having more than one wife or having more than one husband at the same time. Polygyny is having more than one wife at the same time. It is illegal in most states for either of these 3 states or conditions to exist or to participate in.
I guess what I'm saying is, Are swingers morally upright or righteous enough to make the moral judgement on these people. Certainly, what they did was illegal but.... 50 years ago what we do today would have gotten us ousted from the community, church, loss of job (and that could still happen today) and maybe even jailed, under the right circumstances..
So, before we cast the first stone let us be certain that we are righteous or that we are well outside of our glass house.
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MORALITY is irrelevant. Statutory law is what reigns supreme. If they are breaking the law, then they should accept the consequences. Many European countries allow 14 year olds the right to consent to sex and marriage at 16. These decisions were made by the majority of the people in the country. Here the age of consent varies from state to state in regard to consent with other minors and 18 for most with regard to adults. Whether you are male or female, the law applies. If it is illegal to consent before 18, then it is illegal, regardless of your dogma.
I seem to recall seeing a story on television about a russian (I think that was the nationality) couple that immigrated here with their two children. The country (eludes my recollection), they were from it is customary for parents to "pat" the gentinal area of the child as a means of reassurance or some such bullshit. According to the story it was a non-sexual gesture and a common custom in their country. The father was seen at a local school sporting event do this to the daughter, by another child's parent, and the man and his wife had their children taken away. This is a perfect example of what I mean. While to them, the contact was liken to a football player smackin another player on the ass as a way of saying "good game", it is not tolerated as such here. Anyway, I can't remember all of the details, but you can see what I mean. If 18 is the age of consent, 18 is the fuckin age. Laws and customs of the land are what matter. When in Rome....
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MORALITY is irrelevant. Statutory law is what reigns supreme. If they are breaking the law, then they should accept the consequences. Many European countries allow 14 year olds the right to consent to sex and marriage at 16. These decisions were made by the majority of the people in the country. Here the age of consent varies from state to state in regard to consent with other minors and 18 for most with regard to adults. Whether you are male or female, the law applies. If it is illegal to consent before 18, then it is illegal, regardless of your dogma.
I seem to recall seeing a story on television about a russian (I think that was the nationality) couple that immigrated here with their two children. The country (eludes my recollection), they were from it is customary for parents to "pat" the gentinal area of the child as a means of reassurance or some such bullshit. According to the story it was a non-sexual gesture and a common custom in their country. The father was seen at a local school sporting event do this to the daughter, by another child's parent, and the man and his wife had their children taken away. This is a perfect example of what I mean. While to them, the contact was liken to a football player smackin another player on the ass as a way of saying "good game", it is not tolerated as such here. Anyway, I can't remember all of the details, but you can see what I mean. If 18 is the age of consent, 18 is the fuckin age. Laws and customs of the land are what matter. When in Rome....
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I agree. That is why I think morality has nothing to do with it. The law is in place to protect innocence from predatory assholes that take advantage of naivety of youth. Many young boys don't consider fatherhood, disease and other complications that can arise from sexual relations. Hell a lot of adults don't either.
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I am not religious at all. I think adultry is a morality based law. I think Fornication is a morality based law. They stem from the church. Laws to protect children are that of humanity. No one should have to be victimized by a fuckin pervert that can use their adult influence to overpower a child, whether is mental or physical or both. Whether it's a young boy's libido or a young girl's insecurity or low self esteem... <b>IT'S WRONG!</b>
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I agree. That is why I think morality has nothing to do with it. The law is in place to protect innocence from predatory assholes that take advantage of naivety of youth. Many young boys don't consider fatherhood, disease and other complications that can arise from sexual relations. Hell a lot of adults don't either.
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I am not religious at all. I think adultry is a morality based law. I think Fornication is a morality based law. They stem from the church. Laws to protect children are that of humanity. No one should have to be victimized by a fuckin pervert that can use their adult influence to overpower a child, whether is mental or physical or both. Whether it's a young boy's libido or a young girl's insecurity or low self esteem... <b>IT'S WRONG!</b>
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TR, concise, astute and very well said. I don't believe any of us living in glass houses are chucking rocks. I'd like to think that the majority of us would want our 14-15 year old kids to discover their sexuality in a healthy, natural way. Remember playing doctor in gradeschool w/other gradeschoolers (not their parents!)?
Love me, not my kids (or I'll kill ya!).
Love me, not my kids (or I'll kill ya!).