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Just a guess here...

Try clearing all of the saved Internet Info in your browser (especially the Cookies), close it out and restart the browser and see if it's still there.

If you're using FireFox you can set it to do that every time you close the browser (we do!)

Almost every site on the Net sets a cookie to store info like this. NBD, but it can be unsettling until you realize not everyone coming here can see exactly what you see.


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WERSHI is correct: There is a place under settings>all settings that will keep your profile from being seen on the opening login page

and K_T is also correct: deleting all cookies when closing your browser is a good idea. And why would anyone use anything other than Firefox?

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<b>REDROCKOCEAN</b>,

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The lack of support is a huge reason why linux is struggling to compete. Most people are lazy and don't want to find ways to emulate. So they go where it's not needed. While I also think linux is better than windows in almost every way, I won't make the leap because it lacks where it matters most. DEVELOPERS. It's like having a videogame console that has a super computer processor and the capabilities of flying a space shuttle, but it only has three titles that were developed for it??? Can you say Sega Dreamcast?? Take the Macintosh for example. AWESOME fucking computers, but the reason they are second to the windows based PC's in the mainstream consumer market place is because they lack the developers and support. Every tech junkie geek knows the Mac (linux based OS) is far superior to windows. In fact this is why most design and special effects firms use MAC's, Sun and Silicon Graphic Machines. I feel your pain, but I want something I don't have to get a shit load of patches to get what everyone else has. Not many games or cool software is ported to Linux. You have to emulate windows anyway.
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<b>KT</b>,

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Opinions are like assholes.. They're all named Don. Er I mean, Everyone has one. Seriously the same rule applies to Firefox. The support for that browser is slow in the coming. While it has great potential, I find it has trouble with lots of sites that work great with IE. I have both FF and IE and I find myself switching back to IE a lot. My opinion.
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The only sites I have come across that do not work in firefox are those that are Microsoft sites. ie Hotmail, and Outlook Web Access. For those sites I use the IE Tab plug in for firefox.

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<b>ALL YOU FIREFOX FANBOYS</b>,

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There are many problems with third party plugin support. Not to mention that many sites are created to be displayed in IE, so when they are viewed in FF, the layout shows incorrectly. It lacks support for many controls to include ActiveX. I ran into this problem coding my posts not too long ago. Here are a couple of interesting links:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=trouble+with+firefox

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175800132

Anyway, I think you should use what you like. I'm just not that impressed with FF. It has potential but still lacks the support I find important in a browser. No browser will ever be "bug free". As the internet evolves so will the browser. It's a preference thing. I've used both browsers and see no significant reason to switch. My opinion.

Here is another link I found funny.

http://www.computergripes.com/firefoxsites.html

The author is complaining that IE doesn't comply with the WC3 standard and Firefox does, but most of the world uses IE compatible sites and IE seems to be the rule everyone follows. It would seem that IE is the standard and not WC3's current wish. So would it not make sense for WC3 to adopt what the whole world is already using or should we change to what the minority want? Why should the whole world change what it's doing to comply with what 2nd rate browser developers want. They are trying to strong arm change. I personally think Firefox, Netscape, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Gecko and any other 2nd rate browser should comply with what's already in place.

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You are talking to a "Tech Savvy guy", that has both designed and developed for the web. I currently run both browsers and see none of the "bloat" you suggest occurs in IE. Multi-tasking is not an issue for either browser. They problem you have is system resources. It has nothing to do with the browser.

Most developers that side with Mozilla and other browser technology simply want to oust the long time King of the market. The developers of Firefox make these outlandish claims that it is safer, more reliable and complies with WC3. The only true statement is the latter. I addressed this issue in my last post. As to the other claims, They're simply bullshit marketing ploys. All browsers are equally vulnerable to attack and all vary only in the slightess in functionality and ease of use. The only big difference is that more sites and 3rd party plugs are compatible with the IE browser series. Anyway, that's how I see it.
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<b>UANDUS71</b>,

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Ok, it takes 1.5 seconds to open IE on my laptop and just about the same for FF. FF was just a little slower actually, but only a fraction of a second. In fact I had to do the test twice because FF prompted me for skin updates the first time. I wonder if the developers considered the fact that if I wanted a new skin, I'd go get it. By the way, if it takes you 7+ seconds to open anything, that's a system resource or a configuration issue. Also try this:

http://www.speedguide.net

Also, IE has been around longer that your beloved Firefox. The only browser that came close to Matching IE was Netscape and even that browser failed to force the standard. Regardless of whether <b><u>one</u></b> of the founders of the Web started the WWW ball rolling, Microsoft has dominated it. Because the world wide web's standard is the MS standard more so than that of WC3 attempts to "suggest", MS is the <font color="#FFFFFF">true</font> standard. Numbers don't lie.

Developers were never "forced to create content that is IE friendly", they're now "forced" to create content that's friendly to FF and it's gang of misfits. That's coming from 3 years of experience owning a design company and 2.5 additional years of experience doing it for the military. Though I think credentials really don't matter when the proof is in the pudding. Look up browser usage statistics on Google. It's true that FF is gaining in popularity, so much so that it IE adopted tabs in version 7. However, this does not mean that the standard should change to accomidate FF, the opposite is true. Just my opinion.
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Alright,

I just booted my computer with fresh porn under IE7 - 3.5 seconds to raging hardon.

After a fresh boot under FireFox 2.0 (no extensions and default Theme) same porn - 3.5 seconds to raging hardon.

Granted...this porn did involve midgets, Circus clowns and dish soap...but DID NOT involve Mimes.

Next time I will add Mimes and some hot coffee.

Stay Tuned!

-K_T

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Regardless of your preference or who made the first browser. IE still sets the standard. I wasn't trying to have a "who's dick is bigger contest". I was simply stating the facts. The facts are that whether you prefer IE or not, it is the standard, not your beloved FF. I am not saying this to sway you into using IE over FF. I could care less how you surf. I know what I like and why I like it, as do you. I am just as convinced that IE is the superior browser as you are of Firefox. I wasn't the one that started trying to convert members to a different browser. I was only stating that just because Tim Berners-Lee, wrote the first browser and now heads a Mozilla biased WC3 doesn't mean he dictates something that belongs to no one in general but everyone. Read the entire thread before you puff your chest.

BTW, my Experience started before the WWW was available to the public. It all started on military servers call MILNET that was later opened to the public. MILNET was a step up from ARPAnet. This was prior to HTML and browsers as we know it. Longevity has nothing to do with the topic. My point was simply that the minority shouldn't expect the majority to change. PERIOD!
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<b>AG</b>,

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Get more RAM.

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I'm not knocking your technical abilities. The guys I work with build multi-million dollar software platforms at the request of our corporate clients. I'm not one to use a broad brush, but they have taken the geek-stereotype ball and run with it. They refuse to touch IE...even the guy that uses Outlook as his mail client.
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They would be cutting into their own pockets by ignoring the standard. Then again, just because you "build multi-million dollar software platforms", doesn't mean they last in the business world. If you ignore the larger market and or customer base, you pay for it in the end. Just a thought.
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Gotta be your configuration then. Can't duplicate it on my machine. In fact the opposite is true for me. I find more sites that FF can't handle and less third party support.
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Don-

You can't win a fight that nobody is fighting but you..... but if it makes you feel better, keep on swinging (pun intended) at empty air. However, I have fallen for some of your flame-bait, and I'll respond to it, both in a civil way, and by using similar tactics to the way you have been acting. Diversion, distraction and topic drift are good ways to keep people from remembering what the topic was in the first place.

To everyone: I apologize to anyone I have offended or will offend with this or any of my posts. Offense was not my goal, I am just trying to conduct a conversation, and exercise my right to question statements that I don't necessarily agree with.

Back to Da Don:

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I wasn't trying to have a "who's dick is bigger contest". I was simply stating the facts.

I respond: My computer is plenty fast to run several high power applications at once... My typical day includes but is not limited to: AutoCAD, Photoshop, Firefox (10-20 tabs at a time), web authoring software, an FTP client, and yes, Internet Explorer. My humble little laptop does what I need it to do.
Your computer is faster. I don't care. IE runs slower for me than FF. THAT I care about.

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The facts are that whether you prefer IE or not, it is the standard, not your beloved FF.

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Who recognizes it as a standard? Is there an international body of computer experts that has suddenly decided that using a free bundled application is the best way for people to use their machine? That makes me wonder... is IE usage percentage higher because most computer users are too fucking stupid and lazy to go out and get a better program? The browser I have used that I liked the most was Safari, but I can't get a PC version of it. I'm sure that my 'beloved' Firefox is losing sleep over the fact that I would change if I could find a better option.

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BTW, my Experience started before the WWW was available to the public. It all started on military servers call MILNET that was later opened to the public. MILNET was a step up from ARPAnet. This was prior to HTML and browsers as we know it.

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Me too. I used to surf the 'net back when we had to hard-wire into a phone line to get the 300 baud modem hooked up. And we had to do it in the middle of the night because nobody's parents would let us tie up the phone line during the day. I don't have an acronym for the servers I was dialing in to.

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Longevity has nothing to do with the topic.

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Then why did YOU bring it up?

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My point was simply that the minority shouldn't expect the majority to change. PERIOD!

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Kinda like the public opinion on the police action in Iraq, right? I have the ultimate respect for the soldiers, and zero respect for our Appointee-in-Chief. But I'm not the only one that feels that way... here is a recent article from the 'liberal media'-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16578451/

I'm sure a 'liberal Oregonian' can understand what this all means.... especially when the source is MSNBC... After all, the MS stands for Microsoft, and they are 'the standard', as well as being from the great Northwest.

Mr Fanboy- Wannabe Safari guy

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You wasted all that precious time trying to justify FF again. I told you that I am not trying to sway your opinion. Just stating why I don't make the jump to a second rate browser. You say IE runs slower on your machine, seven plus seconds I seem to recall. I have never on any machine I've owned had it take that long to load. That is what prompted the remark about your system resources or perhaps your configuration. It sounds like operator error to me. When I tested on my laptop, the results varied only slightly with FF trailing just a smidge. So the benchmark is irrelevant to me. Another reason I see no reason to switch.

Again, I am not the one who changed the subeject of this thread. I only replied to a statement made by someone else. Furthermore none of my posts were meant to be flames. If you are gettin "butth hurt" over my posts, lighten up and know that this is my opinion.

As far as Iraq is concerned, I am a soldier and I take a stance and stand behind those there. I swore an oath of honor. The president is commander in chief, I will follow his orders. If you don't like it vote democrat in 2008. Until then, he's running the fuckin show.

That subject is not unlike the browser subject, in that regardless of how you feel about it, the facts don't change. Microsoft dictates because that's how capitalism works. Money makes the world go round and all that bullshit. You don't need a group like WC3 dictating the internet when you have the 53rd richest country in the world, <b>BILL FUCKIN' GATES</b>, calling the shots. People use IE because everyone supports and develops for it. No matter how good Mozilla is, it won't change the fact that it isn't top dog (yet). It's a case of the little guy telling the big guy how it's gonna be and it's not workin. So after years of trying to be #1, Mozilla should realize that if you can't force the standard through the self-proclaimed WC3, let the true leader (MS) of the internet dictate it. The majority after all support MS not Mozilla (WC3). I don't have to convince you of anything. The facts don't lie.

Let me reiterate a point. I could care less what browser you use. I was simply stating why I don't make the jump. Mozilla is all hype. The best thing it had over IE was tabs. IE7 now has tabs. Other than that, It's really pretty much pointless to even switch in my opinion. No matter what you say, you can not convince me that FF is leaps and bounds above IE, let alone a bucket of shit. So now that we have those issues straight, let's allow this battered horse carcas to rest in peace. Oh and relax, it's only a web browser. This is a preference thing. Kinda like AMD vs. Intel.
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You wrote:

You can't win a fight that nobody is fighting but you..... but if it makes you feel better, keep on swinging (pun intended) at empty air. However, I have fallen for some of your flame-bait, and I'll respond to it, both in a civil way, and by using similar tactics to the way you have been acting. Diversion, distraction and topic drift are good ways to keep people from remembering what the topic was in the first place.

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I am not fighting anyone. I am saying why I don't share your opinion. Oh and don't pretend that you are being civil. You are getting just as nasty. If you're gonna put on the verbal gloves with me, do so. Don't try and make excuses or make yourself out to be the more considerate one. The misguided condescension in your writing is pretty clear. You got offended when I bitch slapped your browser and now you've been rambling every since. It's ok, I love to ramble. lol</font>

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And I don't need to justify Firefox. I like it for me, but it's not for everyone. Firefox has justified itself to people who want it. Others, they have either never tried it or have chosen to go another direction.

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Precisely my point. I will say it again, as it seems I am not making it clear, I am not trying to sway you. I could care less what browser you use. I was only stating why I don't switch. I think it's a second rate browser.
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Usually when presenting an opinion, one will tend to include the words 'I think' or 'In my opinion' or 'as I see it, ' I have failed to see these words on most of your posts... am I missing something? I'm usually pretty perceptive, but I'm lost here.

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The very point or nature of a forum is to trade opinions. I need not remind you repeatedly in posts of something that is common sense.</font>

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Nobody gets to tell me how to vote, that is a choice I get to make on my own. And I think it is awfully simplistic to think that there are only two choices. Plus, GW is retiring whether the PNAC likes it or not. His time is up. And oh yeah, the President (whoever it is) is ALWAYS the Commander-in-Chief, even if he/she is a Democrat.

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I never tried to tell you how to vote. I only suggested you vote for the opposing party. It's obvious that you don't agree with the republican party right now. So let's not get technical or huffy. I was only saying... If you don't like it vote!!! or not... I don't care. Oh and I know Bush is a lame duck, but that doesn't mean the republican party won't have a nominee. I failed to see how Politics or Iraq have any-fuckin-thing to do with web browsers anyway. I never suggested that the President <i>was not</i> always the Commander in Chief. I was pointing out that me being military and the current president being the CIC, affects my stance and involvement.
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Mr Gates isn't recognized as a sovereign nation, he is just a rich geek. And to think that one American company can or should dictate to the world how things should be is shortsighted and arrogant. China, India, Europe, Japan, Canada and many others have healthy technology industries, and somewhere out there the next thing in hardware, software, web browsers and mobile communications is being invented, and odds are it's not by an American. Perhaps the idea of an international consortium scares you, much the same as the UN scares some people...

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My point is that his wealth is so vast that he would be the 53rd richest country in the world. I read an article that stated this. Whether you "think" Microsoft dominating the web is wrong or not, it's been the case and continues to be. Besides, it's no different than the Mozilla-friendly WC3 leader trying to force the standard either. That would be a case of the pot and kettle.</font>

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Not everyone supports it. That is an inaccurate generalization also. And I think the reason people use it is because they are too fucking stupid and lazy to get something better. Do you really think that a majority of the power users of these technologies are wrong? the percentage of IE vs FF/whatever else users right now in the general public is 80/20. In the tech sector it is 30/70. That's right: people who know how to REALLY use computers and technology choose FF as their preferred browser. But again, I'm not trying to sway your choice at all, merely reporting the truth.

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"Too stupid and lazy"??? Hmm wouldn't that make you a hypocrite. When you just said, </font><font color="#FF0000"><b><i>"Calling my browser choice 'second rate' doesn't make yours any better, much like your tactic of calling people 'fags' 'homos' 'butt dart champions' and 'camel jockeys' doesn't make you any better, smarter or more"</i></b></font><font color="#FFFFFF"> Kinda sounds like another case of the pot and the kettle. "Something Better" in your opinion is Firefox, but not everyone agrees with you. In fact that would be the majority of the people. As to your remark about the majority of "power users" siding with your stance, I'll call bullshit. The stats don't lie. Google it. More people, to include developers, develop and surf primarily for MSIE. PERIOD. Mozilla has always trailed behind IE in usage. It looks like it may become a heated race in the near future, but more like neck and neck. Your bold statement that FF is the majority of "power users" browser of choice is hasty, unfounded and plain bullshit my friend. Show me some unbiased statistics. Instead of proclaim your rants as fact and expecting my to admit I was wrong, because Pete Almighty said so.</font>

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That's not ALL you were stating, simply or otherwise.

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Tell me big guy... What was I saying, other than I don't buy the bullshit hype that Mozilla is claiming. I have the browser and see no major difference other than what it lacks. PERIOD</font>

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Not true. Don is wrong again. one post prior to my post re: Netscape 1.0, you claimed that IE had been around longer than Firefox. True, it wasn't called FF then, but the basic technology in FF predates IE by many years. Kind of like tabbed browsing....

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When I spoke of longevity not being a factor, I was refering to your boasts of surfing the web with Netscape 1.0, suggesting that your years of browsing the internet is some factor. Which it isn't.</font>

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Admit it, you've made some false claims, some erroneous statements, and taken some positions that I think make your opinion look like a bunch of hot air.

And I can still give a flying fuck what browser you use. The same things you like about your choice, I like about my choice. At this point, this discussion is dead, since it seems that you can't deal with the facts being shown to you.

Everything I have expressed in this post is verifiable fact or my opinion. You may disagree with any of it, but the facts remain facts, and I don't have to let you change my opinion.

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You haven't presented shit. Here is some facts for you big guy. Hey, they're even from a WC3 educational site. Who'd a fuckin thunk.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

It appears that I am right. Take a look back to 2002. Pretty marginal difference. Furthermore, I said that FF was catchin up. Looks like it is. When it's actually competing with IE and forcing IE to upgrade (like tabs), I'll try it. So far not that impressed.

Answer this, Back since 2003 why would a browser that is used by 4.9% of people be trying to dictate the standard? The numbers don't lie Pete. You've presented nothing but your opinion. I've presented professional experience and factual statistics even WC3 cannot deny. Hell, they even have and educational site that teachs their standard reflecting what I was saying.

I think it is you that needs to do some admitting. You should do what you claim to be a long time expert at and surf for the answers. Show me some of your numbers. I think you need to sit down now because you just got spanked. I've worked professionally in the field. Don't lock horns with someone that has actual realworld design and development experience, over 8 years now. I am not talking about surfing since 93 like most of us web junkies have. I am talking coding.</font>

What I see happened in this conversation is that I talked shit about your favorite browser and you got butt hurt. There is no need to defend your choice. As there is no need to defend mine. Firefox is slowly catching up, maybe I'll give it a try again when it more robust. Until then I will use it to test and make sure my content is friendly to my FF using friends. Nothing more.
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My favorite browser innovations have been:

I.E. 4 - IFRAME. Genius. IFRAME *inside* div tags... I almost shit myself.
I.E. 4 - setInnerHTML, getInnerHTML, setOuterHTML, getOuterHTML. Totally forward thinking, totally awesome.
I.E. 4 - style="display:none/block". Replaced 20 lines of code in the Netscape browsers.
I.E. 5 - Transparent IFRAME and layer opacity. Improved fucking genius.

I think the version 6 in each browser just implemented CSS2 for accessibility so there wasn't anything really sexy other than tabs and skins. I could give a fuck about skins, but tabs rule. Point for Mozilla.

I.E.'s contributions have been the most fun, but they *did* happen quite a while ago. Not really sure what the version 7s are all about yet. Security? I'm unformed about recent innovations. Would love to hear about them if anybody is up on that. Anyone? Anyone?

Not gonna get into the battle, just offering one tiny thing...

Internet options, general tab... 3/4 of the way down is "Tabs" with a settings button...
inside that submenu, last option under "enable tabbed browsing" is open home page for new tabs instead of a blank page"

Bud