We're they right or wrong? You decide.
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They did nothing wrong. The threat was there. Dummy, if your going to make a threat to shoot then you better have a gun to do it.
On the note of the dog, he/she is an officer too and I would of got medical attention asap for the dog too.
On the note of the dog, he/she is an officer too and I would of got medical attention asap for the dog too.
Unfortunate they didn't use a bean bag... But they did do their job, as did the dog, like it or not.
sorry, Hear.
the last thing you ever do with and armed individual that is being irrational is bring an innocent citizen to situation. hindsight is 20/20. but there was no way to know if he really did have a gun. he said he did, he threatened to shoot the officers and the dogs. what if he did have a gun and they brought the girl and he decided to shoot the girl and she died?
the officers did the correct thing in not bringing others into a very dangerous situation. they took his threat serious - the right thing to do. he had numerous warnings - he failed to respond correctly. final decision is to release the dogs. the moment they did that, he stands and raises his hand - easily interpretted as an effort to make good on his threats and try to take out officers with him. they responded with deadly force. appropriate given his threats.
it is unfortunate that it ended the way it did. it is also unfortunate that this guy thought that he could make threats on the officers to kill them and that it would get him what he wanted. if he really wanted to talk to the girl, he should have surrendered to the officers immediately. up until the dogs were released, he could have said "OK, i surrender". he would have been instructed to throw his "gun" to the ground and raise his hands. at this point, he probably could not have avoided being subdued by the dogs has he stated for atleast 5 minutes on tape that he had a gun and would shoot the officers (who knows for how long before that he was saying the same). and when no gun is produced, they are probably going to think he is trying to hide it. an officers first responsibility is the safety of the public and his fellow officers and the moment someone threatens deadly force on the public or an officer stating he has a gun, the threat becomes real - whether the gun is or not.
sometimes we dont get to have our way. threatening to shoot people with a flip-flop has consequences.
the last thing you ever do with and armed individual that is being irrational is bring an innocent citizen to situation. hindsight is 20/20. but there was no way to know if he really did have a gun. he said he did, he threatened to shoot the officers and the dogs. what if he did have a gun and they brought the girl and he decided to shoot the girl and she died?
the officers did the correct thing in not bringing others into a very dangerous situation. they took his threat serious - the right thing to do. he had numerous warnings - he failed to respond correctly. final decision is to release the dogs. the moment they did that, he stands and raises his hand - easily interpretted as an effort to make good on his threats and try to take out officers with him. they responded with deadly force. appropriate given his threats.
it is unfortunate that it ended the way it did. it is also unfortunate that this guy thought that he could make threats on the officers to kill them and that it would get him what he wanted. if he really wanted to talk to the girl, he should have surrendered to the officers immediately. up until the dogs were released, he could have said "OK, i surrender". he would have been instructed to throw his "gun" to the ground and raise his hands. at this point, he probably could not have avoided being subdued by the dogs has he stated for atleast 5 minutes on tape that he had a gun and would shoot the officers (who knows for how long before that he was saying the same). and when no gun is produced, they are probably going to think he is trying to hide it. an officers first responsibility is the safety of the public and his fellow officers and the moment someone threatens deadly force on the public or an officer stating he has a gun, the threat becomes real - whether the gun is or not.
sometimes we dont get to have our way. threatening to shoot people with a flip-flop has consequences.
HEAR4ME2 I agree with you to a point. I think you have underpaid people who deal with stupid asses like the unforunate man who died in the video, on a daily basis. Many officers are attacked or shot when they think the scene is ok and get complacent.
http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/red/red_player.html?id=254
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151407555/Murderer_Shoots_and_Misses_a_Cop_at_Point_Blank
http://theync.com/s101206shots.shtml
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Granted all the suspects should've been on the floor and handcuffed in the last video. This just shows you how things can take a turn for the worse when you are dealing with these scum. Like these guys, I would place my life and safety above and beyond the douchebag in the first video.
It saddens me anytime I see someone die. The bottom line is these officers face shit we only dream of, think we have an idea of or see on T.V. They make split second decisions and represent the public as an AUTHORITY! That means they call the shots, not some two-bit wanna-be thug criminal.
It only takes a movement of that knucklehead's hand to flick that pistol up and squeeze the trigger and some heroic cop puttin his ass on the line for me, so I can sleep at night, is dead. I see this as collateral damage during the war on crime. If I had to choose between a man with no regard for anyone but himself or the man with the safety of the city on his shoulders... My loyalty lies with those selfless, underpaid hooah sons-of-bitches that lay down their lives for me 24/7.
As for the dog... It's all in your belief on what life is and if there is a hiearchy of said life. Is a dog's life more important than a human? Many buddist monks would argue that all life is precious and equal in importance. However, in the eyes of common Christian morality, humans reign supreme and according to said religious influence on the masses, the police, in this case, were wrong.
OUR HATS OFF TO YOU WHO'S BLOOD RUNS BLUE. THANK YOU. WE SALUTE YOU.
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http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151407555/Murderer_Shoots_and_Misses_a_Cop_at_Point_Blank
http://theync.com/s101206shots.shtml
and finally:
http://www.machovideo.com/videos/copsshot.wmv
Granted all the suspects should've been on the floor and handcuffed in the last video. This just shows you how things can take a turn for the worse when you are dealing with these scum. Like these guys, I would place my life and safety above and beyond the douchebag in the first video.
It saddens me anytime I see someone die. The bottom line is these officers face shit we only dream of, think we have an idea of or see on T.V. They make split second decisions and represent the public as an AUTHORITY! That means they call the shots, not some two-bit wanna-be thug criminal.
It only takes a movement of that knucklehead's hand to flick that pistol up and squeeze the trigger and some heroic cop puttin his ass on the line for me, so I can sleep at night, is dead. I see this as collateral damage during the war on crime. If I had to choose between a man with no regard for anyone but himself or the man with the safety of the city on his shoulders... My loyalty lies with those selfless, underpaid hooah sons-of-bitches that lay down their lives for me 24/7.
As for the dog... It's all in your belief on what life is and if there is a hiearchy of said life. Is a dog's life more important than a human? Many buddist monks would argue that all life is precious and equal in importance. However, in the eyes of common Christian morality, humans reign supreme and according to said religious influence on the masses, the police, in this case, were wrong.
OUR HATS OFF TO YOU WHO'S BLOOD RUNS BLUE. THANK YOU. WE SALUTE YOU.
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Sad that the man was stupid enough to try to defend himself with a flip flop...
Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever been under the types of stress that police are under every day? I doubt it...
The officers negotiated with him for 6 minutes and 22 seconds ON FILM...How long was it between the beginning of the whole issue before they started to film it?
He brought it on himself...
Recently, a man shot and killed one officer, one dog, wounded another officer and then REFUSED TO DROP A GUN...When he began to point it at the officers AGAIN, they shot him something like 68 times...Why? Because they missed a few times and ran out of ammo...
WOULD YOU SHOOT TO WOUND???? A wounded person shoots back....
As to the other officers shooting also...Would you not have? What would you do if you spent your night negotiating with someone who was threatening to shoot you and your dog? The moment you heard a shot, you would assume it was coming from the person who had been threatening you and return fire....
WHat would the cops have done had he given up and NOT had a gun? NOTHING...Arrest, jail, possibly a short stay in a mental institution?
Sad, but he did it to himself...The police did not do it..
If you watch the film closely, he made a jerking movement with his hand you cannot see, the one with the flip-flop.,,,They did not just start shooting, he made a move like he was going to shoot....
Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever been under the types of stress that police are under every day? I doubt it...
The officers negotiated with him for 6 minutes and 22 seconds ON FILM...How long was it between the beginning of the whole issue before they started to film it?
He brought it on himself...
Recently, a man shot and killed one officer, one dog, wounded another officer and then REFUSED TO DROP A GUN...When he began to point it at the officers AGAIN, they shot him something like 68 times...Why? Because they missed a few times and ran out of ammo...
WOULD YOU SHOOT TO WOUND???? A wounded person shoots back....
As to the other officers shooting also...Would you not have? What would you do if you spent your night negotiating with someone who was threatening to shoot you and your dog? The moment you heard a shot, you would assume it was coming from the person who had been threatening you and return fire....
WHat would the cops have done had he given up and NOT had a gun? NOTHING...Arrest, jail, possibly a short stay in a mental institution?
Sad, but he did it to himself...The police did not do it..
If you watch the film closely, he made a jerking movement with his hand you cannot see, the one with the flip-flop.,,,They did not just start shooting, he made a move like he was going to shoot....
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i went through POST training we were tought if you shoot you have already lost control of the situtation. The biggest part of the problem was not the how many shooters or even the idiot with the slipper nor the dog. The biggest part of the problem was the idiot with the camera. I have seen too many cases where when the cameras were turned off the guy would then give up because the camera was off. I have also see where the whole time the camera was on the perp was playing to the camera. more times then not if the camera rolls it ends bad and more times then not if the camera walks away the perp gives up because no one is watching and he lost his edge. one more thing almost every time after the perp gives up when the cameras come back on who is mugging for the camera? why? because he is in the spot light again.
You have a valid point man. I cannot deny that we all lack compassion in some sense. We need to nip it in the bud elsewhere. Education and intolerance to such behavior at the level of childhood is the key. Have you noticed since we've outlawed corporal punishment in schools and at home, a lot more kids are shitheaded losers. Too many people letting their kids walk on them and later society. Too many ignorant people splorking out kids and not raising them properly. These fuckers need to be taught to repsect authority and their fellow humans from childbirth.
By nature we are greedy and selfish. To live together in peace, we have to have authority and respect for that authority is a must. Anything else will lead to a decline in society. If people are left to their own merits and integrity, most shit on the responsibility. Only those with a strong moral fortitude are able to foster a positive change in the world. Tolerance of others' heritage and culture is a start. Intolerance of oppression, ignorance, racism, religious influence and other activties that spoil the diversity of the world are key to facilitate change as well.
It also doesn't help that most people are miseducated by their television. Most Americans are fed shit most of their lives. From the TV to McDonald's, a steady stream of poison to keep us fat, dumb and looking at a the ground our whole lives.
Until we attack the real problems, we are stuck watching some poor uneducated fool like the one blasted in the video above on a constant basis. We can cast blame all we want, but we all really know the problem doesn't begin with either of the parties involved in the video above.
By nature we are greedy and selfish. To live together in peace, we have to have authority and respect for that authority is a must. Anything else will lead to a decline in society. If people are left to their own merits and integrity, most shit on the responsibility. Only those with a strong moral fortitude are able to foster a positive change in the world. Tolerance of others' heritage and culture is a start. Intolerance of oppression, ignorance, racism, religious influence and other activties that spoil the diversity of the world are key to facilitate change as well.
It also doesn't help that most people are miseducated by their television. Most Americans are fed shit most of their lives. From the TV to McDonald's, a steady stream of poison to keep us fat, dumb and looking at a the ground our whole lives.
Until we attack the real problems, we are stuck watching some poor uneducated fool like the one blasted in the video above on a constant basis. We can cast blame all we want, but we all really know the problem doesn't begin with either of the parties involved in the video above.
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Interesting question for ya... Why do some police use the word "perp"? This is short for perpetrator is it not? Isn't "suspect" a more suitable word? After all... Innocent until proven guilty. Right lol. Not flaming, just curious.
HEARME:
Almost scarey how bottle up in our own worlds we are isn't it?
JUSTIN:
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Interesting question for ya... Why do some police use the word "perp"? This is short for perpetrator is it not? Isn't "suspect" a more suitable word? After all... Innocent until proven guilty. Right lol. Not flaming, just curious.
HEARME:
Almost scarey how bottle up in our own worlds we are isn't it?
JUSTIN:
Are you advertising? Where's the link to the vid? I don't want to sift through a porn site.
It is rumored this was a child molester in St.George. Does anyone know for sure?
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151840207/Suspect_Commits_Suicide_in_Interrogation_Room
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151840207/Suspect_Commits_Suicide_in_Interrogation_Room
Do not know...But hope it was...Saved us a ton of money...
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If you were a cop, and you had someone who was acting like they were not afraid to die or kill you, and is making threats.....you have to make a desicion....which one of you is going home and which one is gonna die..........I know what my desicion is, that is a dead mutha.
You can try and look at everything from all the angles, second guess all that were there, whatever you want. But until you have been in a situation where you beleive your life or death is on the line, and had to make a decision like that, you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback talking out of your ass. You are entitled to your opinion, but just realize you state it in ignorance and without real experience.
This tape is a stupid little snippet of the whole story, does anybody talk about the lead up to it, why were the cops there in the first place? They pick this guy off the street cause he was a poor black dude?? No, he was causing shit and instead of giving up or complying with the officers commands well you saw the video......... Maybe he shoulda follwed chris rocks advice:
http://www.funfry.com/videos/html/chris-rock-how-not-to-get-your-ass-kicked-by-police.html
You can try and look at everything from all the angles, second guess all that were there, whatever you want. But until you have been in a situation where you beleive your life or death is on the line, and had to make a decision like that, you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback talking out of your ass. You are entitled to your opinion, but just realize you state it in ignorance and without real experience.
This tape is a stupid little snippet of the whole story, does anybody talk about the lead up to it, why were the cops there in the first place? They pick this guy off the street cause he was a poor black dude?? No, he was causing shit and instead of giving up or complying with the officers commands well you saw the video......... Maybe he shoulda follwed chris rocks advice:
http://www.funfry.com/videos/html/chris-rock-how-not-to-get-your-ass-kicked-by-police.html
Hey guys, if you take another closer look at the first video, you will find that the sound doesn't match the video. Watch his mouth when he's daring the cops like a dumb fuck. Initially, one can draw the conclusion that the police fired while the dog was released. TURN THE SOUND OFF. Then watch the impacts. He moved his hand before the first round impact. When actually the dog was released and the dumb ass suspect, knowing his bluff had been called raised the slipper to drop it, at which time the deputies fired on him, killing his stupid ass.
IT WAS JUSTIFIED! PERIOD!
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IT WAS JUSTIFIED! PERIOD!
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You can all sit back and play games who was right - who was wrong. Then make complaints about the Police. How many of you are actually going to try to negotiate with some nut who say's he has a gun and he is going to shoot you? Actually Get your liberal ass off the sofa and stand in front of the gun. Recently, Here in Florida we had a nut who shot and killed one Police officer and his also killed his K-9 dog - also shot a second police officer who fortunately survived. Life is real - instead of second guessing the Police Officers, why don't you volunteer to stand between the nuts with loaded guns and the innocent people - who knows, some of you might even make it home tomorrow. Just a suggestion.
It's sad that the world is so mixed up. They have come up with non lethal means (stun guns), but look at how much heat the Florida police took when they zapped two kids that refused to listen to police.
Bottom line police are in a no win situation. They must always be fearful of their lives. Not only from the people that make threats but even from the people that pretend they are not threats.
Bottom line the police have been around for a long time. Look how much video we have of police doing their job being shown on tv. Lots of TV shows showing how the criminal does not get away. All of this is continued proof that it's just stupid to argue and threaten and fight police. Heck what more do they need to do? Post commericals stating ignore the police and you might be shot.
The way I see it is that anyone threating or running or fighting the police wants to die. The police are not our parents they are here to protect the people that listen to them...stop listening to them and they just might shot and kill you ...if they don't then you were lucky.
Bottom line police are in a no win situation. They must always be fearful of their lives. Not only from the people that make threats but even from the people that pretend they are not threats.
Bottom line the police have been around for a long time. Look how much video we have of police doing their job being shown on tv. Lots of TV shows showing how the criminal does not get away. All of this is continued proof that it's just stupid to argue and threaten and fight police. Heck what more do they need to do? Post commericals stating ignore the police and you might be shot.
The way I see it is that anyone threating or running or fighting the police wants to die. The police are not our parents they are here to protect the people that listen to them...stop listening to them and they just might shot and kill you ...if they don't then you were lucky.
Just a Thank You to everyone who who isn't a cop understanding that on the street nothing is black or white...always grey and one only has a fraction of a second to make a decision that will be second guessed by everyone from the IAD to the media to the citizens... and most of all by the blue shirt who had to make the decision. My grandfather and my father told me the most important thing is to go home after your watch. Combined was over 70 years of wisdom when they spoke those words. Cops don't bleed blue...it is red.
Again, thanks.
Again, thanks.
How about this,,,,
In the past, the police said, "STOP OR I WILL SHOOT!!" They would fire one round into the air to allow the person the opportunity to think about what they were about to do...If they ran...They were shot, back, front, side, head, leg, black, white, hispanic, purple, green...
I think we should go BACK to those times...It would cut back a lot on those stupid "World's Craziest Police Chase" shows....So many people have been injured and/or killed by the stupidity of others, it is a shame....So...Why not allow evolution to take its course and eliminate those who are not desirable in the gene pool, namely people to stupid to know police are the only thing we have between order and chaos......
just HIS ideas...
In the past, the police said, "STOP OR I WILL SHOOT!!" They would fire one round into the air to allow the person the opportunity to think about what they were about to do...If they ran...They were shot, back, front, side, head, leg, black, white, hispanic, purple, green...
I think we should go BACK to those times...It would cut back a lot on those stupid "World's Craziest Police Chase" shows....So many people have been injured and/or killed by the stupidity of others, it is a shame....So...Why not allow evolution to take its course and eliminate those who are not desirable in the gene pool, namely people to stupid to know police are the only thing we have between order and chaos......
just HIS ideas...
On the lighter side........maybe the flip-flop was loaded.......He must have been.....
Ok seriously...WTF was he thinking.......Does he not have a phone to call her him self? How many commit suicide by Cop every year?
But ........Man do they need a little restraint and better trianing..... the massive amout of bullets flying in this shooting......Suprised knowbody was hit with a stray bullet......maybe just 1 or 2 good shots may have been able to end it without hitting the Dog..
Well anyway you look at it...........People should know better than to challange the police with a flip flop..................At least use a high heel.........come on!!!!!!!!
Ok seriously...WTF was he thinking.......Does he not have a phone to call her him self? How many commit suicide by Cop every year?
But ........Man do they need a little restraint and better trianing..... the massive amout of bullets flying in this shooting......Suprised knowbody was hit with a stray bullet......maybe just 1 or 2 good shots may have been able to end it without hitting the Dog..
Well anyway you look at it...........People should know better than to challange the police with a flip flop..................At least use a high heel.........come on!!!!!!!!
maybe they should have shot him 82 times. that would have been better. I think they did nothing wrong and if it were done all over again I think they should do the same thing. Well maybe they shouldnt have shot the dog.
Policemen are playing by rules set up for the bad guy. Its like playing with a stacked deck I would think. Sorta like our military. We in the military have to play by rules that the enemy does not. The good guys are already on the loosing side before they start. The good guys being the police and our military. I know not all policemen are good and not all the people in the military are good but enough said.
Policemen are playing by rules set up for the bad guy. Its like playing with a stacked deck I would think. Sorta like our military. We in the military have to play by rules that the enemy does not. The good guys are already on the loosing side before they start. The good guys being the police and our military. I know not all policemen are good and not all the people in the military are good but enough said.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee05829dc4
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<b>UTAH'S FINEST</b>...
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The following video contains Utah Police Officers. Some of you may not care LOL.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee05829dc4
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Ok...Star Wars/Sci-Fi fans will appreciate this...but I think it's just amusing and "corny" (you'll understand the pun once you watch it), that many will find is entertaining...
Not into the whole orgamic thing, BUT it is great...AND makes you think..
Good one thought...
Good one thought...
I have a hardon now.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3df990695&c=1
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3df990695&c=1