I realized fairly early on that if there is anything taboo here, it is politics. Many, it seems, don't care and just want to go on physical attraction alone and hook up. "Nice butt! Political affiliation? Don't care! I wanna hit that!".
I get it. I do! I've been around several women whom I know are on the opposite side of the political spectrum. That doesn't stop me from feeling lust for them. The natural fuel that has driven mankind is raw physical attraction and desire. However, at the same time, a connection outside of physical attraction is desired if not downright required for many. We are after all, not living in caves any more.
This is without any sort of judgement, but we've become divided enough in recent years that it's now easy to fairly accurately guess which side of the political isle one sits on with a quick visual. Sad there is an isle at all, but I see it as the current reality of our culture. And I predict that isle is going to begin widening, quite substantially, in the coming months.
I'm curious how you all feel the political environment in the near future, will or will not affect your choices in the lifestyle...or how it has affected you to date. Open to other observations and thoughts too. Perhaps the beauty of the "lifestyle" is that it bridges the gap of ideals and brings people together. I don't know...
I get it. I do! I've been around several women whom I know are on the opposite side of the political spectrum. That doesn't stop me from feeling lust for them. The natural fuel that has driven mankind is raw physical attraction and desire. However, at the same time, a connection outside of physical attraction is desired if not downright required for many. We are after all, not living in caves any more.
This is without any sort of judgement, but we've become divided enough in recent years that it's now easy to fairly accurately guess which side of the political isle one sits on with a quick visual. Sad there is an isle at all, but I see it as the current reality of our culture. And I predict that isle is going to begin widening, quite substantially, in the coming months.
I'm curious how you all feel the political environment in the near future, will or will not affect your choices in the lifestyle...or how it has affected you to date. Open to other observations and thoughts too. Perhaps the beauty of the "lifestyle" is that it bridges the gap of ideals and brings people together. I don't know...
I know a few will be hesitant to respond for the exact reason you've said. It's taboo to talk about here.
That said I think the biggest widening in the gap came from the attacks on reproductive rights. For many women I've talked to, that was the tipping point. We've already seen laws passed that have threatened the lives of those who want to have kids. Add to it that in Idaho where you live, they've already attempted to ban contraceptives in general.
I think the question is at what point does it completely become politicized. I mean realistically, how does swinging move forward or stay as popular when birth control and protection becomes banned?
That said I think the biggest widening in the gap came from the attacks on reproductive rights. For many women I've talked to, that was the tipping point. We've already seen laws passed that have threatened the lives of those who want to have kids. Add to it that in Idaho where you live, they've already attempted to ban contraceptives in general.
I think the question is at what point does it completely become politicized. I mean realistically, how does swinging move forward or stay as popular when birth control and protection becomes banned?
Let's be real Politics and Religion are not sexy.
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness. I think we need to look at people and individuals with experiences that have led them to the opinions they hold. There are many people that have negative feelings about certain religions or politics, and rightfully so if you hear their story. You don't have to agree with their opinion and arguing with them isn't going to get them to change theirs. In order to find truth you have to see both sides of the story and decide accordingly, keep in mind we are all make mistakes.
It's ok to listen to others and to learn from others. We find our opinion changes with the more information we receive. We choose our friends by selecting to be around people that are good people, it's ok for them to differ from us as long as they accept that we are different as well. If someone doesn't want to be around us because we don't agree with everything they think, that's on them. Sometimes we miss out on some serious friendships and growth opportunities in life when we are close minded or stubborn. Respect, acceptance and love is what we all seek and as long as they can provide that we will reciprocate.
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness. I think we need to look at people and individuals with experiences that have led them to the opinions they hold. There are many people that have negative feelings about certain religions or politics, and rightfully so if you hear their story. You don't have to agree with their opinion and arguing with them isn't going to get them to change theirs. In order to find truth you have to see both sides of the story and decide accordingly, keep in mind we are all make mistakes.
It's ok to listen to others and to learn from others. We find our opinion changes with the more information we receive. We choose our friends by selecting to be around people that are good people, it's ok for them to differ from us as long as they accept that we are different as well. If someone doesn't want to be around us because we don't agree with everything they think, that's on them. Sometimes we miss out on some serious friendships and growth opportunities in life when we are close minded or stubborn. Respect, acceptance and love is what we all seek and as long as they can provide that we will reciprocate.
[quote=Utahldscouple]Let's be real Politics and Religion are not sexy.
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness. I think we need to look at people and individuals with experiences that have led them to the opinions they hold. There are many people that have negative feelings about certain religions or politics, and rightfully so if you hear their story. You don't have to agree with their opinion and arguing with them isn't going to get them to change theirs. In order to find truth you have to see both sides of the story and decide accordingly, keep in mind we are all make mistakes.
It's ok to listen to others and to learn from others. We find our opinion changes with the more information we receive. We choose our friends by selecting to be around people that are good people, it's ok for them to differ from us as long as they accept that we are different as well. If someone doesn't want to be around us because we don't agree with everything they think, that's on them. Sometimes we miss out on some serious friendships and growth opportunities in life when we are close minded or stubborn. Respect, acceptance and love is what we all seek and as long as they can provide that we will reciprocate.
Perfectly said!
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness. I think we need to look at people and individuals with experiences that have led them to the opinions they hold. There are many people that have negative feelings about certain religions or politics, and rightfully so if you hear their story. You don't have to agree with their opinion and arguing with them isn't going to get them to change theirs. In order to find truth you have to see both sides of the story and decide accordingly, keep in mind we are all make mistakes.
It's ok to listen to others and to learn from others. We find our opinion changes with the more information we receive. We choose our friends by selecting to be around people that are good people, it's ok for them to differ from us as long as they accept that we are different as well. If someone doesn't want to be around us because we don't agree with everything they think, that's on them. Sometimes we miss out on some serious friendships and growth opportunities in life when we are close minded or stubborn. Respect, acceptance and love is what we all seek and as long as they can provide that we will reciprocate.
Perfectly said!
We have several friends with opposing political views, and we're fine with that. It allows us to be exposed to what they think and why they think that, and we can have civil discussions on the topic.
But we'd never fuck those people.
For us, it's about character and decency. Really, it always has been. We're not here to fuck everything in sight, we enjoy deep, intimate interaction. We're not willing to go beyond a friendship with people that hold certain political beliefs, and that's what works for us.
It is, and always will be a hard pass for us.
But we'd never fuck those people.
For us, it's about character and decency. Really, it always has been. We're not here to fuck everything in sight, we enjoy deep, intimate interaction. We're not willing to go beyond a friendship with people that hold certain political beliefs, and that's what works for us.
It is, and always will be a hard pass for us.
Utahldscouple wrote:
Let's be real Politics and Religion are not sexy.
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness.
There's a big difference between surrounding yourself with and who you choose to fuck. Just because someone chooses not to fuck someone that doesn't align with them on issues like reproductive rights, gender equality, and other issues that can and do relate to their sexuality and the sexuality of those around them, doesn't make them close-minded.
That's virtually the same as saying if a straight person refuses to have homosexual encounters, then they're close-minded.
I think there's nothing wrong with it for one night stands too. There's still a level of trust that has to exist.
I think cutting through dancing around the topic and just addressing it head on is best, I'm sure I'll be notified if I'm wrong.
The real question here is why are Conservatives, MAGA, etc. being turned down. I say this because I've never heard a single person from the other side of beliefs complaining that they were turned down because of their beliefs. In an air of open-mindedness, I'll post some of the questions I've heard for people to possibly answer.
1. The right believes in taking away reproductive rights, why should someone who knows no birth control is 100% take the risk with someone who believes they shouldn't have options? (Before anyone says getting snipped fixes that, it's still not 100%. The only 100% would be a hysterectomy or getting neutered completely.)
2. There's legislation being pushed to block all forms of birth control. How will this lifestyle still exist if/when those laws are passed?
3. There's been a push to undo marriage equality. Why should a bisexual woman be willing to play with a couple who supports those who say it should be illegal or that her sexuality with a woman is codified as less important than one with a man?
I'm just shooting off the top of my head here. These decisions aren't based on some cultural bs or whatever else someone wants to claim. They're legitimate questions based on safety and the way someone is respected or not. I think most people have little concern about dinner or having a drink/hanging out regardless of one's opinion on the subjects above. However, it makes sense to me that one might have some reservations about having sex with someone who can't answer these questions or others about the difference of opinions.
I think cutting through dancing around the topic and just addressing it head on is best, I'm sure I'll be notified if I'm wrong.
The real question here is why are Conservatives, MAGA, etc. being turned down. I say this because I've never heard a single person from the other side of beliefs complaining that they were turned down because of their beliefs. In an air of open-mindedness, I'll post some of the questions I've heard for people to possibly answer.
1. The right believes in taking away reproductive rights, why should someone who knows no birth control is 100% take the risk with someone who believes they shouldn't have options? (Before anyone says getting snipped fixes that, it's still not 100%. The only 100% would be a hysterectomy or getting neutered completely.)
2. There's legislation being pushed to block all forms of birth control. How will this lifestyle still exist if/when those laws are passed?
3. There's been a push to undo marriage equality. Why should a bisexual woman be willing to play with a couple who supports those who say it should be illegal or that her sexuality with a woman is codified as less important than one with a man?
I'm just shooting off the top of my head here. These decisions aren't based on some cultural bs or whatever else someone wants to claim. They're legitimate questions based on safety and the way someone is respected or not. I think most people have little concern about dinner or having a drink/hanging out regardless of one's opinion on the subjects above. However, it makes sense to me that one might have some reservations about having sex with someone who can't answer these questions or others about the difference of opinions.
WhiskeyMakesUsFrisky wrote:Who said anything about fucking? You can't have friends in the lifestyle without fucking? Guess we are different we don't fuck everyone we meet but we can still be friends with them.Utahldscouple wrote:
Let's be real Politics and Religion are not sexy.
With that said, only surrounding yourself by people that have the same opinions and ideology is very closed minded. We find the lifestyle is about open mindedness.
There's a big difference between surrounding yourself with and who you choose to fuck. Just because someone chooses not to fuck someone that doesn't align with them on issues like reproductive rights, gender equality, and other issues that can and do relate to their sexuality and the sexuality of those around them, doesn't make them close-minded.
That's virtually the same as saying if a straight person refuses to have homosexual encounters, then they're close-minded.
Interesting topic. Interesting responses. Mostly respectful, insightful, and thought provoking. Good job all! I will only add that I believe the lifestyle is a small, yet focused, reflection of society at large and as such, it's become a polarizing subject more so of late than in the recent past. People are drawing lines in the sand within their own families and life long friends. It's sad to see and hear of those experiences, both within and without the lifestyle.
I for one welcome a hearty debate. Respectful point for point banter is fun and enlightening for all. So, if you don't think Mello Yellow was better than Mt Dew, let's dance!
I for one welcome a hearty debate. Respectful point for point banter is fun and enlightening for all. So, if you don't think Mello Yellow was better than Mt Dew, let's dance!
I’m a Republican, I’m a Democrat, and I’m also somewhere in the middle. I love Trump, I hate Trump… I’m into politics, but I’m also not interested in politics. Honestly, I’m all over the place. That said, I’ve never lost a “friend” because of my political affiliation—or lack thereof. Somehow, when I’m with the lady or couple, we always seem to share the same political views in the moment.
FIT_N_FUN wrote:
For us, it's about character and decency.
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WhiskeyMakesUsFrisky wrote:
The real question here is why are Conservatives, MAGA, etc. being turned down.
This is not a direct answer, but there has been a divide in belief systems since much earlier times. In the current era, I don't think it is so much a "conservative" thing. Conservatism has changed over the years, building to the point to where many believe it has stepped beyond the spectrum of what was once considered conservative.
We are respectful of all beliefs...within reason. What is reason today though? The political environment has changed. What was acceptable in the past has surely changed in so many ways now. Still, we show respect as we're all humans. We work with, live next to, and have sexual lust for those who support a system we disagree with. We laugh with, help each other, and coexist. Good people are good people. Period! However...the line is beginning to be questioned. Things are changing, and complex. People are being pitted against each other more and more with social media leading the way.
I haven't any answers, really...other than to simply be nice, honest, and respectful. There's not much to go wrong if we each uphold those simple and basic standards.
We have friends who are all over the political spectrum. However, if your politics define you, as it does for some, it is a turn-off regardless of your beliefs.
Cpl4Fwb wrote:
We have friends who are all over the political spectrum. However, if your politics define you, as it does for some, it is a turn-off regardless of your beliefs.
Totally agree.
I have a political view, and I "vote" accordingly. I don't let politics influence with whom I hang out with, or who my friends are, or who I have sex with. I've been in and out of this lifestyle for 40+ years, and politics has never came up, until now.
Cpl4Fwb wrote:This sums up what we said previously Politics and Religion are not sexy subjects.
We have friends who are all over the political spectrum. However, if your politics define you, as it does for some, it is a turn-off regardless of your beliefs.
Interesting, you seem like sexy people and your pictures are certainly sexy, your name is therefore interesting.
I was thinking that most of Utah let’s Just say republican was 90% of the state so how is there so many different views
JUSTBEGINING57 wrote:
I was thinking that most of Utah let’s Just say republican was 90% of the state so how is there so many different views
Exactly !
JUSTBEGINING57 wrote:
I was thinking that most of Utah let’s Just say republican was 90% of the state so how is there so many different views
To be fair, republicans within the GOP can't agree on much either.
LFMFUN wrote:
Interesting, you seem like sexy people and your pictures are certainly sexy, your name is therefore interesting.
Only with your very good friends could discuss politics. Respect for not agreeing without recrimination is the key. We may not agree with our friends but we still consider them friends. We still enjoy their company but we did not start discussing politics till we became very good friends. Yes we are very ok with having sex with them regardless of their political affiliation. We are not attracted to bigots, haters and those that feel like someone owes them something.
FIT_N_FUN wrote:JUSTBEGINING57 wrote:
I was thinking that most of Utah let’s Just say republican was 90% of the state so how is there so many different views
To be fair, republicans within the GOP can't agree on much either.
And that's sort of what I was alluding to earlier. A lot of republicans of today, in the eyes of many, are not what they used to be. MAGAs are a new breed.
But how does this relate to swinging or alternative lifestyles? As mentioned before, I believe the divide is bound to widen, and there will be less intermingling.
Yes, politics are not sexy. They don't raise the wiener or wet the kitty. And politics don't define me in the least. But, I find the psychology behind ones choices fascinating. Even more fascinating (to me) is the lifestyle...though I don't consider myself in it, per se. Naturally, I'm curious how politics may or may not affect those in the lifestyle.
Thanks everyone for your opinions. I have enjoyed reading.
Monday we threw an inauguration day / MLK/ civil rights day brunch with friends from all across the spectrum. It was a great time, even if some conversations had to end with agree to disagree.
Wildfire wrote:
Monday we threw an inauguration day / MLK/ civil rights day brunch with friends from all across the spectrum. It was a great time, even if some conversations had to end with agree to disagree.
Sounds like a Risky Soiree!
Crazmaticple wrote:Wildfire wrote:
Monday we threw an inauguration day / MLK/ civil rights day brunch with friends from all across the spectrum. It was a great time, even if some conversations had to end with agree to disagree.
Sounds like a Risky Soiree!
Hahahaha yeah it could have gone lots of ways
Cpl4Fwb wrote:
We have friends who are all over the political spectrum. However, if your politics define you, as it does for some, it is a turn-off regardless of your beliefs.
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Are we friends with benefits? Or are we Fuck buddies? I'd be fuck buddies with anyone politically, but I couldn't be friends with benefits with about 50% of the country...
We had an interesting experience at Hedo last week. We sat down in the restaurant with some people we just met and some of their friends. One of the gentlemen first comment was to announce his celebration of Trumps win and how wonderful it was we could all celebrate.
No one said a thing so I said...I really don't care and it does not matter. He tried to make it an argument but I kept repeating the same lines and he finally shut up. We all enjoyed our dinner but he did not say another word to me.
People who make it personal as far as political beliefs and the lifestyle really don't care about fucking because if they did they would keep their political beliefs to themselves. If you have to comment about your guy winning...I don't care and it really dosent matter.
No one said a thing so I said...I really don't care and it does not matter. He tried to make it an argument but I kept repeating the same lines and he finally shut up. We all enjoyed our dinner but he did not say another word to me.
People who make it personal as far as political beliefs and the lifestyle really don't care about fucking because if they did they would keep their political beliefs to themselves. If you have to comment about your guy winning...I don't care and it really dosent matter.