I see most profiles have noted and request DF. I have noticed a few posts requesting a "safe group". I'm curious as to the definition of that in the LS, specifically with HPV.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
wildchild62 wrote:It's largely ignored and tbh...most are clueless about it or think nothing of it, until it becomes a problem. There are so many issues and holes with the "safe group" concept. It just takes one person in the group to get something right after testing or not detectable to spread it to everyone. It's a delicate risk/balance that everyone must manage for themselves.
I see most profiles have noted and request DF. I have noticed a few posts requesting a "safe group". I'm curious as to the definition of that in the LS, specifically with HPV.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
Utahldscouple wrote:wildchild62 wrote:It's largely ignored and tbh...most are clueless about it or think nothing of it, until it becomes a problem. There are so many issues and holes with the "safe group" concept. It just takes one person in the group to get something right after testing or not detectable to spread it to everyone. It's a delicate risk/balance that everyone must manage for themselves.
I see most profiles have noted and request DF. I have noticed a few posts requesting a "safe group". I'm curious as to the definition of that in the LS, specifically with HPV.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
That is what I expected. I appreciate your thoughts.
Condoms do not feel as good, and even they do not protect 100%, but for me that has become my one ground rule for myself is to always play with condoms.
As much as I would love to someday have a Couple I feel completely safe with not using condoms, I find I still prefer using condoms to be able to not worry and enjoy the friendship and play without much worry of STDs. I also love the idea of Safe Group, but for me it is just not worth the risk as it only takes one who has it to spread.
As much as I would love to someday have a Couple I feel completely safe with not using condoms, I find I still prefer using condoms to be able to not worry and enjoy the friendship and play without much worry of STDs. I also love the idea of Safe Group, but for me it is just not worth the risk as it only takes one who has it to spread.
Sex in this LS can never be completely safe. HPV can be contracted with condoms through skin to skin contact at the base of the penis and other exposed genital areas.
We weigh the risk to reward the best we can as individuals, but we as a couple will never play without condoms no matter what someone’s STD test says… there is no such thing as a “safe LS group” consisting of multiple couples going bareback in our opinion. That’s just a pipe dream… we’re sure it’s been attempted in the past, and we’re sure you will never hear that anyone got an STD. Nobody is going to fess up to that harsh reality.
We all roll the dice to play this very naughty game we play. The question is how much you’re willing to do to mitigate your exposure. That other thread is just an indicator of who is willing to risk more. No judgements from us, but we will always risk less with our health and look for the same in others we meet.
We weigh the risk to reward the best we can as individuals, but we as a couple will never play without condoms no matter what someone’s STD test says… there is no such thing as a “safe LS group” consisting of multiple couples going bareback in our opinion. That’s just a pipe dream… we’re sure it’s been attempted in the past, and we’re sure you will never hear that anyone got an STD. Nobody is going to fess up to that harsh reality.
We all roll the dice to play this very naughty game we play. The question is how much you’re willing to do to mitigate your exposure. That other thread is just an indicator of who is willing to risk more. No judgements from us, but we will always risk less with our health and look for the same in others we meet.
EXTREMEXLR8 wrote:
Condoms do not feel as good, and even they do not protect 100%, but for me that has become my one ground rule for myself is to always play with condoms.
As much as I would love to someday have a Couple I feel completely safe with not using condoms, I find I still prefer using condoms to be able to not worry and enjoy the friendship and play without much worry of STDs. I also love the idea of Safe Group, but for me it is just not worth the risk as it only takes one who has it to spread.
Thank you. I agree with you. Thanks for your response.
Starlights wrote:
Sex in this LS can never be completely safe. HPV can be contracted with condoms through skin to skin contact at the base of the penis and other exposed genital areas.
We weigh the risk to reward the best we can as individuals, but we as a couple will never play without condoms no matter what someone’s STD test says… there is no such thing as a “safe LS group” consisting of multiple couples going bareback in our opinion. That’s just a pipe dream… we’re sure it’s been attempted in the past, and we’re sure you will never hear that anyone got an STD. Nobody is going to fess up to that harsh reality.
We all roll the dice to play this very naughty game we play. The question is how much you’re willing to do to mitigate your exposure. That other thread is just an indicator of who is willing to risk more. No judgements from us, but we will always risk less with our health and look for the same in others we meet.
Great response. Thank you
wildchild62 wrote:
I see most profiles have noted and request DF. I have noticed a few posts requesting a "safe group". I'm curious as to the definition of that in the LS, specifically with HPV.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
Great question, and one I have often wondered about. It is one of the reasons we would like to find a long-time committed couple who are also new to this. We have several friends around our age who married out of high school, like we did, who have never had sex with anyone but their spouse. If only they were seeking the same as we. Who knows. Maybe they are! Unlikely we will ever know though. 😕
Starlights wrote:
Sex in this LS can never be completely safe. HPV can be contracted with condoms through skin to skin contact at the base of the penis and other exposed genital areas.
We weigh the risk to reward the best we can as individuals, but we as a couple will never play without condoms no matter what someone’s STD test says… there is no such thing as a “safe LS group” consisting of multiple couples going bareback in our opinion. That’s just a pipe dream… we’re sure it’s been attempted in the past, and we’re sure you will never hear that anyone got an STD. Nobody is going to fess up to that harsh reality.
We all roll the dice to play this very naughty game...
Very well said!
Canvas wrote:
Great question, and one I have often wondered about. It is one of the reasons we would like to find a long-time committed couple who are also new to this. We have several friends around our age who married out of high school, like we did, who have never had sex with anyone but their spouse. If only they were seeking the same as we. Who knows. Maybe they are! Unlikely we will ever know though. 😕
Even then…
When I was out dating I met a woman that was with her husband since high school as well, and she got an STD from him after almost 20 years of marriage. She didn’t say which STD, but she was devastated that the only explanation was that her husband had cheated on her. She filed for divorce because her positive test was her proof. Who knows how many women he had cheated with, but it only took the one 🤷🏽♂️
A monogamous relationship is your absolute safest bet against STDs, that’s true… but even that is NOT a sure bet. People can be slimy AF. It’s worse when they are the ones you trust the most.
the only way to be safe is not to have sex with others period!!!! as for us that is not a option...But we do try to be as safe as we can and still enjoy what we all here like, TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHERS. so we get tested 4 times a year without fail.. actually the lifestyle is relatively safe in comparison to the single side. i can tell you that I (Mike) laid more pipe than a major pluming house and never caught a cold when i was single. yes luck is involved but it's not all that easy to contract std's, short story and very true. My high school friend died of aids back in the 90's, he contracted it from a gf but didn't know he had it till after he meet and married his wife. 3 years into the marriage he was tested positive and yes he did die from aids, but his wife is still negative to this day and they never used any protection. Not saying you should not to any form of protection do what you feel is safe for you and ur partner. with that said just go and get tested more than once a year and if u contract someone don't by all means bury ur head in the sand let all that u have been in contact with know, so they can get checked. We all know the risk here so let others know if there is a issue. This is the only way to keep it under control. love all of u guys, and happy new year
Canvas wrote:wildchild62 wrote:
I see most profiles have noted and request DF. I have noticed a few posts requesting a "safe group". I'm curious as to the definition of that in the LS, specifically with HPV.
Women are tested for HPV with the yearly PAP. (insurance won't pay more than once a year) There is no approved screening test for men, although a skin lesion can be tested. But the scary part is you can have the virus for literally decades without any signs of it, yet be able to pass it to others. Estimates are that up about 40% of adults have the HPV virus.
How is this handled in the LS community? I know some groups ask for quarterly testing, but when I call about it, or research it, the testing for STDs do not include HPV. Is just saying you are DF enough, or do women take extra testing for HPV? Do men pay for a DNA test for HPV?
Just curious how this is handled in the LS.
Great question, and one I have often wondered about. It is one of the reasons we would like to find a long-time committed couple who are also new to this. We have several friends around our age who married out of high school, like we did, who have never had sex with anyone but their spouse. If only they were seeking the same as we. Who knows. Maybe they are! Unlikely we will ever know though. 😕
Sounds like a plan! Thanks for your response.
UtSkier wrote:
the only way to be safe is not to have sex with others period!!!! as for us that is not a option...But we do try to be as safe as we can and still enjoy what we all here like, TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHERS. so we get tested 4 times a year without fail.. actually the lifestyle is relatively safe in comparison to the single side. i can tell you that I (Mike) laid more pipe than a major pluming house and never caught a cold when i was single. yes luck is involved but it's not all that easy to contract std's, short story and very true. My high school friend died of aids back in the 90's, he contracted it from a gf but didn't know he had it till after he meet and married his wife. 3 years into the marriage he was tested positive and yes he did die from aids, but his wife is still negative to this day and they never used any protection. Not saying you should not to any form of protection do what you feel is safe for you and ur partner. with that said just go and get tested more than once a year and if u contract someone don't by all means bury ur head in the sand let all that u have been in contact with know, so they can get checked. We all know the risk here so let others know if there is a issue. This is the only way to keep it under control. love all of u guys, and happy new year
Yes, and that is why I ask. Women can only be screened yearly (although I supposed that is up to her and her physician) and men can't be screened at all for HPV. HPV isn't included in the standard STD profile. Just feeling out how it is looked at in the LS.
Women are also at higher risk than men for contracting STDs. They literally have an STD catchers mitt that is their vagina 🫢
So, UtSkier being a manwhore in his younger days and not getting anything is pretty believable to me. Whether or not he was giving others something is another question (joke) 😛
So, UtSkier being a manwhore in his younger days and not getting anything is pretty believable to me. Whether or not he was giving others something is another question (joke) 😛
Also, keep in mind you can get an STD with oral play. I’ve never seen anyone over the past 20 years & dozens of trips to LS resorts use protection for oral. And, even at LS resorts (Hedo, Desire, SMI) I rarely see protection used for full play. Maybe 5% of the time. And almost no discussion about how recently tested.
As mentioned above, anyone playing in the LS is accepting a higher risk level for contracting an SDT at some point. As for HPV & HSV 1, such a high of the adult population has it, you need to almost assume they have one or both.
As mentioned above, anyone playing in the LS is accepting a higher risk level for contracting an SDT at some point. As for HPV & HSV 1, such a high of the adult population has it, you need to almost assume they have one or both.
Where a seat belt.
⛑️ Safety first.
⛑️ Safety first.
wildchild62 wrote:UtSkier wrote:
the only way to be safe is not to have sex with others period!!!! as for us that is not a option...But we do try to be as safe as we can and still enjoy what we all here like, TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHERS. so we get tested 4 times a year without fail.. actually the lifestyle is relatively safe in comparison to the single side. i can tell you that I (Mike) laid more pipe than a major pluming house and never caught a cold when i was single. yes luck is involved but it's not all that easy to contract std's, short story and very true. My high school friend died of aids back in the 90's, he contracted it from a gf but didn't know he had it till after he meet and married his wife. 3 years into the marriage he was tested positive and yes he did die from aids, but his wife is still negative to this day and they never used any protection. Not saying you should not to any form of protection do what you feel is safe for you and ur partner. with that said just go and get tested more than once a year and if u contract someone don't by all means bury ur head in the sand let all that u have been in contact with know, so they can get checked. We all know the risk here so let others know if there is a issue. This is the only way to keep it under control. love all of u guys, and happy new year
Yes, and that is why I ask. Women can only be screened yearly (although I supposed that is up to her and her physician) and men can't be screened at all for HPV. HPV isn't included in the standard STD profile. Just feeling out how it is looked at in the LS.
yes you need to tell the dx what test you are wanting to be tested for, we do blood and piss test
wildchild62 wrote:UtSkier wrote:
the only way to be safe is not to have sex with others period!!!! as for us that is not a option...But we do try to be as safe as we can and still enjoy what we all here like, TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHERS. so we get tested 4 times a year without fail.. actually the lifestyle is relatively safe in comparison to the single side. i can tell you that I (Mike) laid more pipe than a major pluming house and never caught a cold when i was single. yes luck is involved but it's not all that easy to contract std's, short story and very true. My high school friend died of aids back in the 90's, he contracted it from a gf but didn't know he had it till after he meet and married his wife. 3 years into the marriage he was tested positive and yes he did die from aids, but his wife is still negative to this day and they never used any protection. Not saying you should not to any form of protection do what you feel is safe for you and ur partner. with that said just go and get tested more than once a year and if u contract someone don't by all means bury ur head in the sand let all that u have been in contact with know, so they can get checked. We all know the risk here so let others know if there is a issue. This is the only way to keep it under control. love all of u guys, and happy new year
Yes, and that is why I ask. Women can only be screened yearly (although I supposed that is up to her and her physician) and men can't be screened at all for HPV. HPV isn't included in the standard STD profile. Just feeling out how it is looked at in the LS.
yes you need to tell the dx what test you are wanting to be tested for, we do blood and piss test
All these other factors are very true and can happen, so if this is a huge concern the only way to be 100% safe is to have only one partner. being in the lifestyle or just being out there will be a risk, just like when u get in a car go skiing, 4 wheeling, sky diving etc u get the drift life has its risks
UtSkier wrote:
All these other factors are very true and can happen, so if this is a huge concern the only way to be 100% safe is to have only one partner. being in the lifestyle or just being out there will be a risk, just like when u get in a car go skiing, 4 wheeling, sky diving etc u get the drift life has its risks
Agreed. I was just curious because everyone states "We are DF" and I can't help but wonder what everyones thoughts were on that specific thing since many of us would not even know we have been exposed for sometime decades.
Wow! With all the evidence and concerns I think it begs the question why would anyone even consider being in the lifestyle with all the risks? Someone said that 40% of adults have HPV. That's a huge number to risk and I'm assuming that the percentage of those in the lifestyle with HPV and other STD's is closer to 90 or 100% im glad im not involved often in the pemiscuous lifestyle. I'm safer by being the unwanted single male. Time to rethink this disgusting lifestyle and this website. This is more like an STD hotel.
Take the child porn down.
Starlights wrote:Canvas wrote:
Great question, and one I have often wondered about. It is one of the reasons we would like to find a long-time committed couple who are also new to this. We have several friends around our age who married out of high school, like we did, who have never had sex with anyone but their spouse. If only they were seeking the same as we. Who knows. Maybe they are! Unlikely we will ever know though. 😕
Even then…
When I was out dating I met a woman that was with her husband since high school as well, and she got an STD from him after almost 20 years of marriage. She didn’t say which STD, but she was devastated that the only explanation was that her husband had cheated on her. She filed for divorce because her positive test was her proof. Who knows how many women he had cheated with, but it only took the one 🤷🏽♂️
A monogamous relationship is your absolute safest bet against STDs, that’s true… but even that is NOT a sure bet. People can be slimy AF. It’s worse when they are the ones you trust the most.
I hear ya. One never knows for certain. However, the odds of staying "safe" is far greater with high school sweethearts, who you have gotten to know and develop a friendship with, than it is with those who are experienced in the lifestyle. The latter may have had sex with several or more people who have boinked who knows how many people, and so forth and so forth. The sex tree as one might call it could be huge which, comparatively speaking, would up the odds of catching something by considerable amounts.
HERE4COUPLES wrote:
Take the child porn down.
Totally in agreement. could make a talking point in the forum, but its not on topic here.
HERE4COUPLES wrote:
Take the child porn down.
I must have missed something....
wildchild62 wrote:
I must have missed something....
I believe that was in reference to Gitterdone’s profile pic…