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Who would have guessed and didn’t see that coming, 😂? When you don’t pay rent it’s funny how that goes. Curious how the spin mister will spin this one. We are sure he is already opening up a new club to rinse and repeat. This makes club number 6 that we know of. Curious what he did with all the membership fees? At least the area will see less crime with the after party not having anyplace to go. Hopefully he will learn and not bring them with him to the new place he spins up.
Who would have guessed and didn’t see that coming, 😂? When you don’t pay rent it’s funny how that goes. Curious how the spin mister will spin this one. We are sure he is already opening up a new club to rinse and repeat. This makes club number 6 that we know of. Curious what he did with all the membership fees? At least the area will see less crime with the after party not having anyplace to go. Hopefully he will learn and not bring them with him to the new place he spins up.
Your post sounds more like an ex trying to find redemption…
While not a personal fan of Ross, the venue was a lot of fun and we have an amazing time there. The new location (which will be down the street) will not include the after party goers. Were you not members of the New Yorker and couldn't get in? What do you care what he did with the membership fees he collected? That's his business. Not yours.
While not a personal fan of Ross, the venue was a lot of fun and we have an amazing time there. The new location (which will be down the street) will not include the after party goers. Were you not members of the New Yorker and couldn't get in? What do you care what he did with the membership fees he collected? That's his business. Not yours.
DEWEYBL wrote:
Your post sounds more like an ex trying to find redemption…
While not a personal fan of Ross, the venue was a lot of fun and we have an amazing time there. The new location (which will be down the street) will not include the after party goers. Were you not members of the New Yorker and couldn't get in? What do you care what he did with the membership fees he collected? That's his business. Not yours.
Making popcorn for this one now!
We never went living in the South end of the state, BUT - if we were paying a fee to attend a venue (such as we do in Vegas and other cities that we frequent) we would anticipate that the honest thing for that venue to do would be to Pay Their Bills to keep said venue open and operating for its paying members to enjoy . Not just pocket pure profit and move on (as we know that same person has done before).
Have you been invited to their personal home? If not you should, sounds like you have been helping pay for it.
Now, back to making more popcorn! Let the ripples begin.
summerlovin wrote:
banned...shitting on people
Being banned from the New Yorker isn't hard? Lots of people are removed.
My wife was sexually assaulted there, one of the early ones, before enough were they had to do something about it. We made a fuss, since our attempts to deal with it were swept under the rug. The removed our post and comments.
We offered suggestions, we asked why things weren't being done like verifying membership or stopping vanillas at the door.
Guess what?
Banned.
And now they do the things we suggest after quieting those who 'talked shit' and upset it was harmful.
Others were banned for bringing up sexual assaults that happened there, or criticizing for not taking action.
Others who criticized the door policy, when they weren't checking and letting just about anyone in - banned.
Still others who criticize the vanilla mixing and after parties - banned.
And then, they quietly implement what some of the banned people were asking for, including us.
A 'fun' place isn't worth the cost if people can't discuss, talk and actually make it a safe place rather than just a place where safety is an after-thought to making sure no one speaks up too much about hard things and stops the money.
R.also was non-consensually watching people through his peep-hole in the 'massage parlor', regardless if they found or didn't find video on his laptop.
Consent violations, by the very person who has cameras now in the club. Doesn't matter if he was recording or not, deleted or not. Even him watching is non-consensual without someones knowledge.
(Oh, that's right, someone was removed from the group for asking what the camera and video storage policy was or questions around it)
All is not well in Oz.
New place now, and new flying monkeys - as long as it gives everyone a good time?
Stop working with R. Those who do are perpetuating further harm, and it'll go down the same, time and time again.
Yes, we're using a different account, or his flying monkeys will attack.
Criticism and saying what happens and bringing light to it are not 'shitting on people'. It's pointing out flaws that need fixed for everyone's benefit.
R is not the one to champion. If you want community, make it a responsible one.
Don't be a patron of somewhere that isn't ethical and transparent even when it's hard.
summerlovin wrote:first of all you don’t even know us. Second you are right, we used to attend all the time. It was a fun place until the after party started coming in early and catching people in compromised situations. We can still attend if we wanted. You might want to get your story straight. When we expressed our concerns with several issues to Ross he didn’t like it. We stopped going for our safety. He is too weak to really ban anyone! Show up pay the $50 and he will take it without any problems! If you’d like we can prove it.
Utldscouple would often frequent the New Yorker, that is until they were banned. Now they bitch and moan about the New Yorker. This couple are as phony as they come.
The New Yorker has been an awesome place for us LS couples to connect with others and have a great time dancing. While it's a shame that hoodlum behavior inappropriately being placed on the New Yorker is driving a closure we are looking forward to the new location. We know it will be the next level in LS friendly clubs in Utah!
The more LS events and venues in Utah the better as far as we are concerned, people like utldscouple shitting on people trying to create a space for us all should be ashamed of themselves and not surprised they aren't welcome.
The new place will be shut down too. We knew the shut down was happening in June with his “retirement party”! We don’t make the news just posted the link. Now if we really wanted to start a 💩 storm we would just say hey anyone violated at the New Yorker raise your hand now! Safety and consent was Ross’s last concern. And if you think he cares about the lifestyle think again, otherwise he would have actually paid rent and the venue would still be there (in spite of safety and consent). Yep we care about integrity and honesty, it’s the most important factor of the LS. If standing up is considered shitting on people then we will! You are just as weak as Ross. We have a history of demonstrating differently (do you)!
We’ve never gone to the NYer, but have plenty of friends that are regulars.
It’s a strange thing the loyalty people have to that place… people ask why we don’t go, and we tell them. Not to talk shit about it, just our personal reasons. People are very quick to defend the place (even our friends). Like we’re attacking something that’s theirs. We don’t understand it 🤷🏽♂️
We don’t criticize our friends for going, and we never try to talk them out of going. We just say why we don’t go if asked, and we go into more detail if they continue to try to get us to go with them.
Ross has been screwing over business partners for over a decade. That’s what he does. He’s not an upstanding representative of our LS, so please don’t mistake him for your friend. He’s about the money, not the people.
What Ross did with The Mansion was a blast back in the day, and there are only fond memories there. It’s a shame we don’t have that anymore. It was an ideal LS venue in its time that was insulated from vanillas and the state government’s reach for the most part.
For all of you defending Ross… look up “Ross Easthope Arrest” in google. If he was recording people without their knowledge in his home, what do you think he’s been doing in a dimly lit back room at The NYer these past few years? You’ve never seen cameras back there? Do you know how small 4K cameras are nowadays? Use your heads and have an intelligent conversation about The NYer… and no… we were never banned and are not bitter in any way. We just know a lot about the man that runs the place.
Any other articles covering this story? That link requires a subscription to the Trib, which we don’t have.
It’s a strange thing the loyalty people have to that place… people ask why we don’t go, and we tell them. Not to talk shit about it, just our personal reasons. People are very quick to defend the place (even our friends). Like we’re attacking something that’s theirs. We don’t understand it 🤷🏽♂️
We don’t criticize our friends for going, and we never try to talk them out of going. We just say why we don’t go if asked, and we go into more detail if they continue to try to get us to go with them.
Ross has been screwing over business partners for over a decade. That’s what he does. He’s not an upstanding representative of our LS, so please don’t mistake him for your friend. He’s about the money, not the people.
What Ross did with The Mansion was a blast back in the day, and there are only fond memories there. It’s a shame we don’t have that anymore. It was an ideal LS venue in its time that was insulated from vanillas and the state government’s reach for the most part.
For all of you defending Ross… look up “Ross Easthope Arrest” in google. If he was recording people without their knowledge in his home, what do you think he’s been doing in a dimly lit back room at The NYer these past few years? You’ve never seen cameras back there? Do you know how small 4K cameras are nowadays? Use your heads and have an intelligent conversation about The NYer… and no… we were never banned and are not bitter in any way. We just know a lot about the man that runs the place.
Any other articles covering this story? That link requires a subscription to the Trib, which we don’t have.
This R guy sounds like a mega pervert. I wouldn't go there either. Hidden cameras, sexual assaults and censoring those that want change! Sounds like a democratic ran city. Hahaha. Allowing criminals and predators including him to roam free. Maybe it's a good thing it's closing. Why doesn't someone else or maybe a group of people step up and buy an acre of land and I'll build you a nice building with a bar, dance floor, massage rooms etc. Then it's owned and not leased. Or keep the membership thing in effect and just rent a place once a month and charge an entrance fee. That way it can be like a monthly meet and greet without the daily expense. Just a couple suggestions is all.
Starlights wrote:
Any other articles covering this story? That link requires a subscription to the Trib, which we don’t have.
Reloading in incognito mode took care of that.
Luvs2Travel wrote:Starlights wrote:
Any other articles covering this story? That link requires a subscription to the Trib, which we don’t have.
Reloading in incognito mode took care of that.
Just tried that and it didn’t work 🤷🏽♂️
link to get around the paywall:
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https://web.archive.org/web/20230821144716/https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/21/downtown-salt-lake-city-club-hosts/
Salt Lake Tribune wrote:
Glen Ross Easthope, also known as “Ross Glen” Easthope, is the club’s owner, a man previously convicted of operating a business without a license, court records show. He says the “new” New Yorker is open from about 1:30 a.m. to 4 a.m. on Saturday mornings, then operates again from about 9 p.m. on Saturdays to 4 a.m. on Sundays.
According to police calls for service data obtained through an open records request, police were called 60 times — and officers generated 23 calls — near the club’s Market Street address from July 5, 2022, to July 5, 2023. The calls included 11 reported assaults, one of which involved a gun, and two of which were against police officers.
The fatal 2022 shooting of 29-year-old Nichole Olsen in November also happened in the large parking lot north of the club. SLCPD Detective Michael Ruff said it unfolded during a dispute while Olsen was reportedly on her way to the establishment. She later died in a hospital.
Bartender Jasmine Rose, who has worked at the New Yorker Social Club since it opened, said the club doesn’t sell alcohol behind the bar, but does provide mixers for the alcohol that group organizers bring in.
Easthope said the space is rented by two private, members-only groups. One of them, called Foreign, favors hip-hop, Latin and R&B music and meets from about 1:30 a.m. to 4 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday mornings, said group founder Kevin Smith. People can attend the after-hours Foreign group only if they have a paid, invite-only membership.
The other group, called The New Yorker, rents the space from 9 p.m. on Saturdays to about 1:30 a.m. on Sundays, and hosts birthday parties, themed parties and other events, Rose said. She described the group’s members as “mature” 30- to 45-year-olds, not the “young, crazy crowd.”
Rose said that group enjoys line dancing, mingling and chatting with her as she works behind the bar. She said the group is made up of a lot of LGBTQ individuals and people “that you could tell never felt included in things.”
The New Yorker group has been the subject of a lot of rumors, Rose said, like a “game of telephone, and people start making juicy stories up.” But she describes the group’s members as positive and peaceful.
Nearly a decade ago, New Yorker Social Club owner Easthope and his wife were accused of operating an unlicensed massage business out of their Centerville home, court records show.
At the time, prosecutors said Easthope wasn’t a licensed massage therapist but assisted his wife in operating the business and knew that she was allegedly performing sex acts during some of the massages.
The business operated from about October 2013 to March 2014, court records state. During one massage in March 2014, prosecutors said Easthope was found hiding in a furnace room connected to the massage room, which had a hole in the wall where someone could observe what was happening inside. Multiple recordings of sex acts were found on Easthope’s computer, court records state.
Easthope was charged with three class A misdemeanor counts of unlawful massage therapy; a class B misdemeanor charge of doing business without a license; and a class B misdemeanor charge of voyeurism.
Two of the unlawful massage counts were dismissed with prejudice, court records show, though Easthope was found guilty of one, which was amended from a class A to a class B misdemeanor. He was also found guilty of doing business without a license, but that charge was amended from a class B to a class C misdemeanor. The final charge, voyeurism, was also dismissed with prejudice.
In the same case, Easthope’s wife was charged with sexual solicitation and doing business without a license, both of which she was found not guilty for, court records show.
Easthope said that other than not having a proper license to do business in Centerville, “the rest of the story was all false and fake news.” He added that the only videos found on his computer were of him and his wife, and that once that was discovered, the computer was returned to them.
The couple have applied to have the charges expunged, he said.
Easthope was also a co-owner of the since-shuttered Echo Nightclub at 134 W. Pierpont Ave in downtown Salt Lake City. He is in the midst of an ownership dispute with one of his business partners, civil court filings show.
A separate financial dispute filed in 2020 against Easthope and his former business partner has been resolved, according to Shurtleff, Easthope’s attorney.
Easthope also had two tax liens filed against him by the Utah Tax Commission in the past decade: Both were filed in 2nd District Court against Easthope and his wife — one for $7,870.05, filed on Feb. 21, 2022; and another for $6,611.02, filed on May 22, according to a Utah state court records search.
Bartender Rose described Easthope as a generous person, one who recently bought an electric wheelchair for a woman who lives in his apartment building after hers was stolen. “There’s a lot of us that he’s provided jobs for that I don’t know where we would have been without him,” Rose said.
On July 11, the building’s landlord, New York Building LLC, filed an unlawful detainer complaint against Button Up Bar and Easthope, arguing the club is occupying the space unlawfully. According to court documents, Easthope owes $60,860 in past due rent and $23,871.61 in past due utility charges, but Zack Winzeler, an attorney for the landlord, said those amounts continue to accrue.
Winzeler declined further comment, saying they would let the complaint speak for itself.
The complaint also alleges Easthope allowed the premises to be used in violation of the law, in a way that could cause “injury or damage” to the property, “constitute a public or private nuisance,” or “be a source of annoyance or embarrassment to the landlord or other tenants in the building.”
In his formal legal response to the unlawful detainer complaint, Shurtleff, representing Easthope, argued that the amount of money the landlord is seeking is inaccurate. The document states Easthope and Shurtleff had copies of canceled checks to prove it.
The club hasn’t vacated the premises because Easthope is contesting the eviction, according to Shurtleff. In fact, the club could stay open for months while the case is litigated, Shurtleff said.
“I think there’s a number of people who don’t like him, don’t like [the club] there, they don’t like what the people that are using it — what they’re doing and so forth,” Shurtleff said.
Easthope believes the building’s landlord is being “pressured” by city officials to evict the club. “I can understand why he is having to try and do what he thinks he must,” he said.
“But they’re on top of things,” Shurtleff said of the club. “We’re just arguing. We’ve met every requirement, we’re in compliance, and there’s no grounds to have it thrown out.”
Tried to pull what I thought were the highlights. Seems like there's more than one side to the story.
We're relatively new to the scene, so we're not familiar with the history. We really enjoyed the New Yorker, but seeing some of the things others said here and other sites (basically summed up in the Trib article) made us feel hesitant, but we'd still go when we could find time and we'd just do our best to be aware of our surroundings and trust our instincts.
We'll be sad to see the New Yorker go because it was a place where could cut loose and continue to get to know the lifestyle community. We really hope something similar or better pops up, and the sooner the better!
We're relatively new to the scene, so we're not familiar with the history. We really enjoyed the New Yorker, but seeing some of the things others said here and other sites (basically summed up in the Trib article) made us feel hesitant, but we'd still go when we could find time and we'd just do our best to be aware of our surroundings and trust our instincts.
We'll be sad to see the New Yorker go because it was a place where could cut loose and continue to get to know the lifestyle community. We really hope something similar or better pops up, and the sooner the better!
JABRONES wrote:He has another venue lined up supposedly. But we know of at least 5 different venues he has operated over the years. We know of some people putting together a club soon and it will actually be ethical and safe.
Tried to pull what I thought were the highlights. Seems like there's more than one side to the story.
We're relatively new to the scene, so we're not familiar with the history. We really enjoyed the New Yorker, but seeing some of the things others said here and other sites (basically summed up in the Trib article) made us feel hesitant, but we'd still go when we could find time and we'd just do our best to be aware of our surroundings and trust our instincts.
We'll be sad to see the New Yorker go because it was a place where could cut loose and continue to get to know the lifestyle community. We really hope something similar or better pops up, and the sooner the better!
That sounds great! We need to get together and create a better website too 😂
Could be an opportunity for someone. Lost trust in Ross a long time ago, but he has continued to find money and open venues. Some of them have been fun. Often with a side dish of issues. Those mentioned regarding the New Yorker are the most concerning. Hopefully an honest business can navigate the rough waters it will face in any community along the Wasatch Front. I wish them good luck.
howwesin wrote:Thanks we updated the original post with this link!
link to get around the paywall:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230821144716/https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/21/downtown-salt-lake-city-club-hosts/
I'm just here for the comments.
"We would anticipate that the honest thing for that venue to do would be to Pay Their Bills to keep said venue open and operating for its paying members to enjoy . Not just pocket pure profit and move on (as we know that same person has done before)."
I would anticipate the same. But, again - none of my business. I try to avoid pretending that I have the moral high ground.
I would anticipate the same. But, again - none of my business. I try to avoid pretending that I have the moral high ground.
If anything we applaud UtahLDSCouple for speaking out. Having been very frequent regulars to The NYer they must have their reasons for no longer supporting it, just like many others that are repeatedly silenced for speaking out against this particular club. We don’t consider that hypocritical at all. They must have experienced something serious they didn’t like, and are no longer supporting the venue.
As was said here before by another couple in this thread, angry flying monkeys seem to come out and attack any criticism… we’ve seen it in FB groups, talked to people in person (thankfully they’re slightly more polite), and we’ve seen it in other LS groups… that is sooooo weirdly strange to us. Paying $50 to cum on someone’s ass in the back room of a club gives them that much loyalty?
The character assassination has been done by the guy operating The NYer, and over the course of more than a decade… talk with some veterans in the LS. Many different people in this community will back up what kind of person he’s been. We’ve talked to quite a few of the big party planners that steer very clear of him for their own reasons as well. He’s done it to himself. The proof is all round if we take our blinders off. The bad reputation is well earned imo and is just disregarded by people with seemingly no other LS options open to them. In a way we can sort of understand it… it’s convenient to know The NYer is there when people find a babysitter last minute. No need to look for other options in a pinch on a Saturday night.
Being made aware of possible dangers in this LS is especially appreciated by us as a couple. Everyone has the right to choose who to support in this LS, but we’d rather not go to a venue where there have been among other things, repeated accusations of sexual assault, letting vanillas in, lethal violence just outside the club, or the owner previously recording people in compromising situations. Just wouldn’t take the chance that any of that is true, ya know? Give us option B, C, or D please.
We’d rather support people that may actually care about our safety and privacy 🤷🏽♂️
As was said here before by another couple in this thread, angry flying monkeys seem to come out and attack any criticism… we’ve seen it in FB groups, talked to people in person (thankfully they’re slightly more polite), and we’ve seen it in other LS groups… that is sooooo weirdly strange to us. Paying $50 to cum on someone’s ass in the back room of a club gives them that much loyalty?
The character assassination has been done by the guy operating The NYer, and over the course of more than a decade… talk with some veterans in the LS. Many different people in this community will back up what kind of person he’s been. We’ve talked to quite a few of the big party planners that steer very clear of him for their own reasons as well. He’s done it to himself. The proof is all round if we take our blinders off. The bad reputation is well earned imo and is just disregarded by people with seemingly no other LS options open to them. In a way we can sort of understand it… it’s convenient to know The NYer is there when people find a babysitter last minute. No need to look for other options in a pinch on a Saturday night.
Being made aware of possible dangers in this LS is especially appreciated by us as a couple. Everyone has the right to choose who to support in this LS, but we’d rather not go to a venue where there have been among other things, repeated accusations of sexual assault, letting vanillas in, lethal violence just outside the club, or the owner previously recording people in compromising situations. Just wouldn’t take the chance that any of that is true, ya know? Give us option B, C, or D please.
We’d rather support people that may actually care about our safety and privacy 🤷🏽♂️
summerlovin wrote:Starlights wrote:
If anything we applaud UtahLDSCouple for speaking out. Having been very frequent regulars to The NYer they must have their reasons for no longer supporting it, just like many others that are repeatedly silenced for speaking out against this particular club. We don’t consider that hypocritical at all. They must have experienced something serious they didn’t like, and are no longer supporting the venue.
As was said here before by another couple in this thread, angry flying monkeys seem to come out and attack any criticism… we’ve seen it in FB groups, talked to people in person (thankfully they’re slightly more polite), and we’ve seen it in other LS groups… that is sooooo weirdly strange to us. Paying $50 to cum on someone’s ass in the back room of a club gives them that much loyalty?
The character assassination has been done by the guy operating The NYer, and over the course of more than a decade… talk with some veterans in the LS. Many different people in this community will back up what kind of person he’s been. We’ve talked to quite a few of the big party planners that steer very clear of him for their own reasons as well. He’s done it to himself. The proof is all round if we take our blinders off. The bad reputation is well earned imo and is just disregarded by people with seemingly no other LS options open to them. In a way we can sort of understand it… it’s convenient to know The NYer is there when people find a babysitter last minute. No need to look for other options in a pinch on a Saturday night.
Being made aware of possible dangers in this LS is especially appreciated by us as a couple. Everyone has the right to choose who to support in this LS, but we’d rather not go to a venue where there have been among other things, repeated accusations of sexual assault, letting vanillas in, lethal violence just outside the club, or the owner previously recording people in compromising situations. Just wouldn’t take the chance that any of that is true, ya know? Give us option B, C, or D please.
We’d rather support people that may actually care about our safety and privacy 🤷🏽♂️
Guess I'm not done with this thread responding to bullshit posts. You admittedly haven't been to the New Yorker, so you really have no business speaking to the club environment or it's safety or lack thereof or repeating bullshit rumors of lethal violence outside the club or any other random rumor you have heard. You are part of the problem spouting shit you have no direct knowledge of.
We have never felt unsafe at the New Yorker, that being said there are likely some shitty LS people that have made their way into the club...this is true with every LS club out there. I've witnessed security exit people from the club when someone reported them, but people need to report the behavior at the time so it can be handled.
If the New Yorker isn't someone's cup of tea, great don't go. Go do your thing and that's cool, but why shit on a person and venue that has an outlet for those in the LS? That's what the LS is all about, everyone having their own dynamic and finding what works for them. You and others gloating about the New Yorker shutting down because it isn't your thing is just sad and not representative of what the LS should be about. Was/is the New Yorker perfect, no, and I agree it could have benefited from some further vetting and rules...but from our experience it definitely is not this cesspool of violence and sexual non-consent, far from it.
Looking forward to see how the New Yorker emerges from the ashes with a new club!
So, people like UtahLDSCouple that were frequent patrons can’t talk shit about it because they’re hypocrites, and people that don’t choose to go there because of the bad reputation of the owner can’t talk about reasons why they won’t go? There are people that have been shot and died near that club. That’s not a rumor. There have been people we’ve personally talked to that have been sexually assaulted. That’s not a rumor. Ross lets in vanillas. That’s not a rumor. Are you saying because we weren’t there to witness fatal shootings attributed to patrons and sexual assaults that they didn’t happen?
So, who can have opinions on this subject according to you?
… and who is gloating? We honestly couldn’t care less one way or the other whether this club lives or dies. It’s not somewhere we ever wanted to go in the first place. It is however, a LS topic that anyone should be able to talk about without people trying to silence us.
Flying monkeys indeed.
Fine there cyber bully. We’ll go sit in the corner and not have any more “bullshit opinions” because we have no first hand knowledge of deaths near the club, and women being assaulted just outside the bathrooms inside the club.
Pretty sure UtahLDSCouple has been to The NYer more than you though, so may they have an opinion on the thread they created?
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Pretty sure UtahLDSCouple has been to The NYer more than you though, so may they have an opinion on the thread they created?
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We have had a great time there and continue to plan on doing so. We are drama free so maybe thats why our experiences have been great. It would be sad to see the only lifestyle club in salt lake shut down. Then we would all just be wishing we had something out of the ordinary Mormon curtain. Can't get a bikini cuts in utah county, can't get a strip club in utah county. Went to the extent of having to drink behind a curtain or a wall away from the general public if your consuming alcohol. Not being able to buy alcohol on Sundays in certain cities makes the New Yorker a large breath of fresh air and much appreciated that there's something around here that isn't controlled by the Mormon culture. Shut it down, your destroying the little bit of nightlife that is available. If you don't like it, don't go. If you don't agree with it, don't go. Nobody likes drama.
summerlovin wrote:Starlights wrote:
Fine there cyber bully. We’ll go sit in the corner and not have any more “bullshit opinions” because we have no first hand knowledge of deaths near the club, and women being assaulted just outside the bathrooms inside the club.
Pretty sure UtahLDSCouple has been to The NYer more than you though, so may they have an opinion on the thread they created?
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Lol cyber bully give me a break, I'm a bully because I'm calling you out on your opinions that you are representing as facts? Death's near the club are the clubs fault? Again give me a break. I've been to the club a ton and while I have never experienced or seen assault I also can't say they didn't happen either...all I can say is that I have been in the hallway outside the bathroom a ton and have felt safe.
Got sit in the corner, go shout from the rooftops, do whatever you want. Just don't expect others to accept your opinions as fact.
You’re pretty popular in the LS aren’t ya?
Are shootings outside of the club Ross’ fault? Absolutely not… are sexual assaults at his club his fault? No… but we try to mitigate danger. The risk to reward of that club isn’t worth the trouble for us. The guy has a bad reputation for multiple reasons. We take things like that seriously, and if you don’t that’s your prerogative. We also take other people’s accounts going back years seriously. There are plenty of people in the LS going back a decade or more that have spotless reputations. Ross is not one of them. Simple as that. I know the guy, so by your reasoning I can have an opinion on that at least, right? First hand knowledge and all that? I always had a great time at one of his first venues 12 years ago… but he’s not a stand up guy.
We’re glad you haven’t been a victim to anything described, and we’re glad you had fun there. That doesn’t mean all those accusations from different people over a decade long aren’t valid. That just means you’re lucky enough to have not had anything happen to you specifically. We don’t want anything bad to happen to anybody. Writing off multiple accounts as rumors and not signs of an unsafe venue isn’t something we’ll ever risk. If we were told negative and dangerous things about a couple, we just wouldn’t meet them. Why take the risk? Same thing with this club… seems like sound reasoning to us… but we have plenty of other LS options and friends available to us 🤷🏽♂️
COUPLE801801 wrote:No one here is advocating for it to be shut down. We are communicating it is shutting down. Ross shut it down no one else. Pay the rent (he is being evicted for no payment) otherwise it would remain open.
We have had a great time there and continue to plan on doing so. We are drama free so maybe thats why our experiences have been great. It would be sad to see the only lifestyle club in salt lake shut down. Then we would all just be wishing we had something out of the ordinary Mormon curtain. Can't get a bikini cuts in utah county, can't get a strip club in utah county. Went to the extent of having to drink behind a curtain or a wall away from the general public if you’re consuming alcohol. Not being able to buy alcohol on Sundays in certain cities makes the New Yorker a large breath of fresh air and much appreciated that there's something around here that isn't controlled by the Mormon culture. Shut it down, you’re destroying the little bit of nightlife that is available. If you don't like it, don't go. If you don't agree with it, don't go. Nobody likes drama.
Our experience and two cents
We had gone to the New Yorker 7 or 8 times before the shut down. On our very first visit, my wife was confronted by a male in the hall way on the way to the bathroom. Figured shit happens and she is very capable of taking care of herself in those situations. But same thing happened on our second visit. Again, we are in an LS club and a little touchy feely may be expected. We did not report this to anyone but having to accompany your spouse to the bathroom for safety reasons is not our idea of safe. We went back only because it was the only game in town. We had plans to start revisiting the club but discovered that they are now allowing just random college aged kids to walk in. That to me was just a money grab.Both sad and happy that it is getting shut down.
We had gone to the New Yorker 7 or 8 times before the shut down. On our very first visit, my wife was confronted by a male in the hall way on the way to the bathroom. Figured shit happens and she is very capable of taking care of herself in those situations. But same thing happened on our second visit. Again, we are in an LS club and a little touchy feely may be expected. We did not report this to anyone but having to accompany your spouse to the bathroom for safety reasons is not our idea of safe. We went back only because it was the only game in town. We had plans to start revisiting the club but discovered that they are now allowing just random college aged kids to walk in. That to me was just a money grab.Both sad and happy that it is getting shut down.
summerlovin wrote:@starlight just ignore this guy. It’s obviously a fake account. New to the LS and created an account (temporary) the day we posted. Who is new to the LS and comes new to the site posting on forums blasting members?!?! No one!Starlights wrote:
Fine there cyber bully. We’ll go sit in the corner and not have any more “bullshit opinions” because we have no first hand knowledge of deaths near the club, and women being assaulted just outside the bathrooms inside the club.
Pretty sure UtahLDSCouple has been to The NYer more than you though, so may they have an opinion on the thread they created?
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Lol cyber bully give me a break, I'm a bully because I'm calling you out on your opinions that you are representing as facts? Death's near the club are the clubs fault? Again give me a break. I've been to the club a ton and while I have never experienced or seen assault I also can't say they didn't happen either...all I can say is that I have been in the hallway outside the bathroom a ton and have felt safe.
Go sit in the corner, go shout from the rooftops, do whatever you want. Just don't expect others to accept your opinions as fact.
He provided a place for LS peeps. He’s provided 6 places for the same L S community. He’s also stopped paying rent on 6 places. Takes money from LS couples until he can be evicted. Sweet talks others into his bullshit to put their names on another project or club. Then fucks them over in another years time. Don’t tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ve known him since he entered the Utah lifestyle scene. If you trust him, you’re already brainwashed.
I was also assaulted and my dress ripped in full view of cameras at his club. When I asked for the video (since he records everything) I was denied and removed. Ross is not a good guy. He isn't shitty to everyone. Just those he's victimized, allowed to be victimized or who cant do anything more for him. Like the true preditor he is. I hope people continue to speak out and Ross continues to get sued for being a shitty businessman and human. Because it isn't that he doesn't know what's needed and can't do it, it's that he won't and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. It's all about keeping the money going into his pocket. Call it business. Call it "a known risk" of attending a private event. Just keep an eye out for anyone important to you, because when it happens to them, Ross will hang you out to dry too.
If he opens another business, please advise because I am sure there are many who will choose to spend their time and money elsewhere.
summerlovin wrote:You woudn'
summerlovin wrote:You wouldn't know what we are or aren't doing because you don't know us. If you did you would know about them.
Oh the hate coming from some of you on your high mighty horses. You can all just keep bitching and moaning about Ross's business dealings and relishing on the New Yorker shutting down while not doing anything yourselves to try and open a LS club and keep the events and venues alive in Utah.
seems like the drama here is getting to the point were its kinda getting personal, can't we just not beat this horse and move on. go if u like the nyer or don't talking smack is never a good thing
summerlovin wrote:
Amen. Like the New Yorker and go, don't like the New York then don't go. When the new club opens up and you don't want to support Ross, then don't go. The reason I piped up is to bring forward an alternative opinion from someone that has been to the New Yorker a number of times. Several people on this thread just don't want to hear an opinion that doesn't align with their own.
NO! We are just tired of hearing from a trial member that is un-verified.
The original purpose of this post was to openly let the members of our community know of dishonest practices to try to protect our community.
You have only tried to make personal derogatory remarks and statements. If you enjoy Ross, go hang out at his house with him. Since you frequented the New Yorker, seems that he has plenty of your money to host you.
As Utskier said “Stop beating this horse “!
summerlovin wrote:Wait I thought you were over this? Me think thou protest too much. Read the article and original post. You hide behind fake user names and anonymity we don’t. All those commenting are long time verified users and not “new” to the LS with temporary accounts! Move on we hear you, you like the New Yorker. Doesn’t make it safer because you like it and haven’t had issues. We post for awareness. Be aware and people can make their own opinion. Those resorting to name calling right away lose all credibility.UtSkier wrote:
seems like the drama here is getting to the point were its kinda getting personal, can't we just not beat this horse and move on. go if u like the nyer or don't talking smack is never a good thing
Amen. Like the New Yorker and go, don't like the New York then don't go. When the new club opens up and you don't want to support Ross, then don't go. The reason I piped up is to bring forward an alternative opinion from someone that has been to the New Yorker a number of times. Several people on this thread just don't want to hear an opinion that doesn't align with their own.
lets talk about how many loads we can dump on my wifes tits (haley)
We have been to the New Yorker five times over the past two years. The third time, my wife was roofied. We got lucky and stayed safe. Later we were told that was a regular occurrence there, and we should be better to watch our drinks 🤷♂️. Odd that this behavior was well known and not watched by management. Some friends got us to come back two more times. We enjoyed our time there but never played as we were also warned about the hidden cameras. We really like and trust the couples who invited us and we met there. That includes Utahldscouple who we have been with at the NYer and a few other places. We trust them thoroughly and often ask their opinion and recommendations as we still feel like newbies. We will vouch for them all day long. Anyone vouching for summerlovin? Doubt it!
summerlovin wrote:The only 💩 in the pool is your comments. Hurry create a new account and vouch for yourself. Back to the real story about the New Yorker/Ross being evicted because of lack of paying rent. Read the story by an independent reporter.
Whatever. Enjoy your cesspool thread of bitching and moaning about Ross and the New Yorker.
UtSkier wrote:
lets talk about how many loads we can dump on my wifes tits (haley)
Make peace not war lol. I'll cum for her or in her
UtSkier wrote:
lets talk about how many loads we can dump on my wifes tits (haley)
LET'S DO THAT!
When are we cumming on Haley's gorgeous tits?
summerlovin wrote:
Whatever. Enjoy your cesspool thread of bitching and moaning about Ross and the New Yorker.
World famous swingers here gracing us with their lovely words.
Flying monkeys.
We had several anonymous and fake accounts come after us both on FB and here when we brought up issues at the New Yorker.
And heard they are still deleting and removing people for bringing anything up on the group about the article.
Back4Good wrote:What a surprise. Fraud exposed who is too scared to reveal who they really are. Everything he says must be true because you know his history (kind of like Ross’s). Everyone now can know the truth and judge for themselves. Bring on more titties!summerlovin wrote:
Whatever. Enjoy your cesspool thread of bitching and moaning about Ross and the New Yorker.
World famous swingers here gracing us with their lovely words.
Flying monkeys.
We had several anonymous and fake accounts come after us both on FB and here when we brought up issues at the New Yorker.
And heard they are still deleting and removing people for bringing anything up on the group about the article.
summerlovin wrote:Outing heck it’s called being honest and not a fraud and coward. Outing others is different than outing yourself. Quit hiding behind a fake handle and temp account and stop replying because everyone is onto you and doesn’t care about your cesspool comments anymore. Now back to titties.
So, this group is also in the business of outing people too? Maybe we moved from Ohio to Utah, you don't know, maybe its not our real pic b/c fearing this is were the group would go. We are real people and a real couple and not some Ross plant, some of you are bent to expose our real identity...not very lifestyle friendly around discretion. We share an alternative opinion to your New Yorker / Ross bashing and look where you go.
You all want to start the outing each other game? You won't like it. But I'm not going to stoop to that level, discretion is one of the most important values in the lifestyle and it's clear thats not a value here.
“We are honest and not a fraud, we change up our profile to prevent people like you and your ego going crazy b/c someone disagrees with you. Our account is no different than your account...your handle is not your real name, you don't have a face shot on your public profile, you are just as anonymous as anyone else on this site.
Wow, what a piece of work you are.”
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Soooooo contrary! Not even close to the same.
1. Temporary profile VS, very established, verified profile
2. Real pics VS what has been proven fake.
3. Again pointing out facts that are verified making people aware of dishonest malicious behavior in OUR community.
4. Has not “bashed” anyone.
5. At this point does anyone really need to discredit or say anything else about you?
We have watched Ross ruin people’s lives as well as professional careers over the past several years. Posting to the general population of this LS with verified reports and letting each make their own decisions is still and has always been what this post was about. Unbelievably not about YOU! But since you’re starving for the recognition, by all means- carry on NANCY!
Wow, what a piece of work you are.”
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Soooooo contrary! Not even close to the same.
1. Temporary profile VS, very established, verified profile
2. Real pics VS what has been proven fake.
3. Again pointing out facts that are verified making people aware of dishonest malicious behavior in OUR community.
4. Has not “bashed” anyone.
5. At this point does anyone really need to discredit or say anything else about you?
We have watched Ross ruin people’s lives as well as professional careers over the past several years. Posting to the general population of this LS with verified reports and letting each make their own decisions is still and has always been what this post was about. Unbelievably not about YOU! But since you’re starving for the recognition, by all means- carry on NANCY!
summerlovin wrote:BUTTABING wrote:
“We are honest and not a fraud, we change up our profile to prevent people like you and your ego going crazy b/c someone disagrees with you. Our account is no different than your account...your handle is not your real name, you don't have a face shot on your public profile, you are just as anonymous as anyone else on this site.
Wow, what a piece of work you are.”
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Soooooo contrary! Not even close to the same.
1. Temporary profile VS, very established, verified profile
2. Real pics VS what has been proven fake.
3. Again pointing out facts that are verified making people aware of dishonest malicious behavior in OUR community.
4. Has not “bashed” anyone.
5. At this point does anyone really need to discredit or say anything else about you?
We have watched Ross ruin people’s lives as well as professional careers over the past several years. Posting to the general population of this LS with verified reports and letting each make their own decisions is still and has always been what this post was about. Unbelievably not about YOU! But since you’re starving for the recognition, by all means- carry on NANCY!
Definitely not about us, not starving for any attention. I didn't have to post anything on this thread, but was tired of people like utahldscouple bashing the New Yorker when they are frequenting the place and being a hypocrite. We have a differing opinion about the New Yorker and Ross, and while I know we weren't going to change anyones opinion we put it out there now it's attacks on us. Knowing utahldscouple I knew this was were it was going to go so I'm glad I used a different profile.
By choosing to proceed the way that you have, it depicts cowardism. The original post was very non confrontational and not done in the shadows.
We believe that if you want respect, show respect.
All of your posts bring little to the table compared to the vast majority of the comments and posts from the community as a whole.
The subject has tried to be changed, cleared and dropped even to the point of posting a set of incredible boobies “thank you Utskier”! But yet you need to have the final word. So, we are awaiting your next reply.
Give it up already.
Just more smoke.
What's interesting is anyone would know who we are but the fact there have been so many with our exact story know you can't tell anymore.
Sexually harassed at the new Yorker. They did nothing, except remove us for trying to change things.
Should be easy to figure it out if there weren't so many.
Knew you were another fake account, since everytime there ends up being flying monkey defenders with fake FB or swingular profiles.
Outing? To point out a fake picture? Used from the news story about the people whose picture you stole? Mhmm. High moral ground there
What's interesting is anyone would know who we are but the fact there have been so many with our exact story know you can't tell anymore.
Sexually harassed at the new Yorker. They did nothing, except remove us for trying to change things.
Should be easy to figure it out if there weren't so many.
Knew you were another fake account, since everytime there ends up being flying monkey defenders with fake FB or swingular profiles.
Outing? To point out a fake picture? Used from the news story about the people whose picture you stole? Mhmm. High moral ground there
summerlovin wrote:Go cry about it! You lie and steal other peoples photos! The only hypocrite is you! You aren’t even who you say you are. No one can attack you because you aren’t you!!! In 3 weeks you will be back with another user name just like Laypipe! Maybe this is laypipe? Are you related to Ryan Reynolds? Difference about the New Yorker and the other clubs, they aren’t run by criminals that don’t pay their rent! Just keep trolling!Back4Good wrote:
Just more smoke.
What's interesting is anyone would know who we are but the fact there have been so many with our exact story know you can't tell anymore.
Sexually harassed at the new Yorker. They did nothing, except remove us for trying to change things.
Should be easy to figure it out if there weren't so many.
Knew you were another fake account, since everytime there ends up being flying monkey defenders with fake FB or swingular profiles.
Outing? To point out a fake picture? Used from the news story about the people whose picture you stole? Mhmm. High moral ground there
You going to keep going here and continue the attack? Our account is fake? It's just as fake as yours with zero picture. Give me a break. While I certainly can't disputes anyones claim of assault, all I can claim is that I have been a ton and feel safe. Any bad behavior at the New Yorker is no different than other night club, again not condoning bad behavior but I do believe the New Yorker has tried to handle this the best possible as any other night club. Every person attending has to be diligent on their own safety.
summerlovin wrote:Utahldscouple wrote:Outing heck it’s called being honest and not a fraud and coward. Outing others is different than outing yourself. Quit hiding behind a fake handle and temp account and stop replying because everyone is onto you and doesn’t care about your cesspool comments anymore. Now back to titties.
[quote=summerlovin]So, this group is also in the business of outing people too? Maybe we moved from Ohio to Utah, you don't know, maybe its not our real pic b/c fearing this is were the group would go. We are real people and a real couple and not some Ross plant, some of you are bent to expose our real identity...not very lifestyle friendly around discretion. We share an alternative opinion to your New Yorker / Ross bashing and look where you go.
You all want to start the outing each other game? You won't like it. But I'm not going to stoop to that level, discretion is one of the most important values in the lifestyle and it's clear thats not a value here.
We are honest and not a fraud, we change up our profile to prevent people like you and your ego going crazy b/c someone disagrees with you. Our account is no different than your account...your handle is not your real name, you don't have a face shot on your public profile, you are just as anonymous as anyone else on this site.
Wow, what a piece of work you are.[/quote]Uh huh, you keep trying to cover your tracks. Our pictures are of us and not someone else! We don’t say we are “new to the LS” with a new account when it’s obvious you aren’t new (good job updating your profile when I called you on that previously 😂! The best part, no one defends you or agrees with you! Don’t you wonder why? You’re a fraud and they know it. Credibility is everything and you have zero! Just keep trolling we are enjoying the entertainment!
UtahGunner wrote:
I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
https://slcpd.com/2023/08/26/slcpd-conducts-search-warrant-at-new-yorker-nightclub/
Hey all you utah peeps. A few of us Idahoans were going to go to the new yorker for glow night. But since it got shut down we are now wondering there are any other clubs or lifestyle events going on tonight. Thanks for the info.
summerlovin wrote:Wow the best thing you have said this whole time. You won’t be here in three weeks to hear them.Utahldscouple wrote:
Uh huh, you keep trying to cover your tracks. Our pictures are of us and not someone else! We don’t say we are “new to the LS” with a new account when it’s obvious you aren’t new (good job updating your profile when I called you on that previously 😂! The best part, no one defends you or agrees with you! Don’t you wonder why? You’re a fraud and they know it. Credibility is everything and you have zero! Just keep trolling we are enjoying the entertainment!
Alright, you win. You clearly hold the moral high ground with your superior honesty and integrity as LDS by day and swinger by night.
Well, this has been fun. I suspect many of you have gotten a kick out of this train wreck thread but I'm out (for real this time). I do however look forward to reading further sermons from utahLDScouple on how to live a life of honesty and integrity, we clearly can all learn a ton from them and their high and mighty wisdom!
hyfax1 wrote:Kennedy cabaret! Check them out. There is also a drag cabaret event going on similar to prohibition
Hey all you utah peeps. A few of us Idahoans were going to go to the new yorker for glow night. But since it got shut down we are now wondering there are any other clubs or lifestyle events going on tonight. Thanks for the info.
https://kennedyscabaret.com/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cabaret-at-the-cabin-tickets-674738118877?aff=ebdsoporgprofile
INFINITY4U wrote:Love his spin on it! This article says lot more he plays everyone as fools and a lot of people bite (we were one of them)!UtahGunner wrote:
I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
https://slcpd.com/2023/08/26/slcpd-conducts-search-warrant-at-new-yorker-nightclub/
Stay tuned because a new club will be opening up soon that is operated by people that truly have our best interest in mind not about the $!
Utahldscouple wrote:
Kennedy cabaret! Check them out. There is also a drag cabaret event going on similar to prohibition
https://kennedyscabaret.com/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cabaret-at-the-cabin-tickets-674738118877?aff=ebdsoporgprofile
Thank you
hyfax1 wrote:Another place we have found that is open and accepting is https://www.flankerslc.com/ if you want to dance and have fun.Utahldscouple wrote:
Kennedy cabaret! Check them out. There is also a drag cabaret event going on similar to prohibition
https://kennedyscabaret.com/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cabaret-at-the-cabin-tickets-674738118877?aff=ebdsoporgprofile
Thank you
INFINITY4U wrote:After this post summerlovin deleted their profile and creates a new one! I wonder why? Another version of laypipe!UtahGunner wrote:
I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
https://slcpd.com/2023/08/26/slcpd-conducts-search-warrant-at-new-yorker-nightclub/
Utahldscouple wrote:Another place we have found that is open and accepting is https://www.flankerslc.com/ if you want to dance and have fun. [/quote]hyfax1 wrote:
[quote=Utahldscouple]Kennedy cabaret! Check them out. There is also a drag cabaret event going on similar to prohibition
https://kennedyscabaret.com/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cabaret-at-the-cabin-tickets-674738118877?aff=ebdsoporgprofile
Thank you
Thank you for sharing exactly where I won't be going….
DEWEYBL wrote:Yep totally your choice!
[Thank you for sharing exactly where I won't be going….
UtahGunner wrote:
I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
They're working to secure a new venue for tonight. Luckily, most of the critics from this thread won't be there. Which is probably why the NYer is a fun group.
Utahldscouple wrote:Love his spin on it! This article says lot more he plays everyone as fools and a lot of people bite (we were one of them)!INFINITY4U wrote:
[quote=UtahGunner]I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
https://slcpd.com/2023/08/26/slcpd-conducts-search-warrant-at-new-yorker-nightclub/
Stay tuned because a new club will be opening up soon that is operated by people that truly have our best interest in mind not about the $![/quote]
Amazing how you're still a member of that group and yet the most critical. I would have kicked your ass out too.
DEWEYBL wrote:Summerlovin must be your other account! Again support who you want but just know who you support!UtahGunner wrote:
I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
They're working to secure a new venue for tonight. Luckily, most of the critics from this thread won't be there. Which is probably why the NYer is a fun group.
Utahldscouple wrote:Summerlovin must be your other account! Again support who you want but just know who you support![/quote]DEWEYBL wrote:
[quote=UtahGunner]I heard that the cops showed up last night with a warrant and shut it down. The event tonight isn't happening as it is now closed.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, only what I have seen talked about.
They're working to secure a new venue for tonight. Luckily, most of the critics from this thread won't be there. Which is probably why the NYer is a fun group.
What the fuck are you talking about? Fucking obsessed with Ross/Nyer nut. Get a grip.
Just got a private message from UTAHLDSCOUPLE.
I agree. Know who you're involved with (I was told to WAKE UP). I keep Ross and others (in the group especially) at an arm's length. No one needs lectured. No moral high ground here. Best of luck to you all. Thank you for those who attempt to create venues and spaces that are enjoyable by most. Sometimes it can get messy and I'm here for it.
I agree. Know who you're involved with (I was told to WAKE UP). I keep Ross and others (in the group especially) at an arm's length. No one needs lectured. No moral high ground here. Best of luck to you all. Thank you for those who attempt to create venues and spaces that are enjoyable by most. Sometimes it can get messy and I'm here for it.
DEWEYBL wrote:First off a message directly seems to us to be the more polite way to talk as adults (who knew that was offensive). Second, if you consider it a lecture to say we never have our opinion just information from public sources as a lecture, we are sorry that came across offensive.
Just got a private message from UTAHLDSCOUPLE.
I agree. Know who you're involved with (I was told to WAKE UP). I keep Ross and others (in the group especially) at an arm's length. No one needs lectured. No moral high ground here. Best of luck to you all. Thank you for those who attempt to create venues and spaces that are enjoyable by most. Sometimes it can get messy and I'm here for it.
The ATF has validated everything I have stated. No more to be said here!
summerlovin wrote:With yet another account. Toxic people hide behind fake profiles. Have yet to call either names but yet they love to call names. Usually is the case when facts outweigh things. Let’s see if he is really done.DEWEYBL wrote:
Just got a private message from UTAHLDSCOUPLE.
I agree. Know who you're involved with (I was told to WAKE UP). I keep Ross and others (in the group especially) at an arm's length. No one needs lectured. No moral high ground here. Best of luck to you all. Thank you for those who attempt to create venues and spaces that are enjoyable by most. Sometimes it can get messy and I'm here for it.
I also got a private message from utahldscouple continuing to spew his shit after I said I was done. This guy is toxic.
Who has a fake profile? Me? Get fucked you lunatic.
DEWEYBL wrote:More name calling 😂! It might be hard for you, but follow closely who we were responding to.
Who has a fake profile? Me? Get fucked you lunatic.
Your behavior constitutes the appropriate description. And, while you’re sitting in your basement with your whiteboard attempting to figure out whatever you’re going on about, the rest of us don’t care.
We don’t care who does/doesn’t pay their rent or other gossipy details that you love to spread. Hypocrisy at its finest.
We don’t care who does/doesn’t pay their rent or other gossipy details that you love to spread. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Didn’t know one establishment closing could rile so many people up
JUSTBEGINING57 wrote:Well from what we are reading here it looks like some addicts and predators got their source removed and are panicking! Haven’t been to the New Yorker but sounds like a den of addicts and predators. No we don’t have to go to a place to know there are issues. Just look at the reports and know just because you didn’t get affected doesn’t mean it’s safe! We all know the bad parts of town and don’t have to go there to know!
Didn’t know one establishment closing could rile so many people up
When you remove an addicts source of prey and or drugs they start to lash out and get desperate. They lose all sense of logic and rationale. Unfortunately, for them they will need to figure out the problem themselves and no amount of help or advice from anyone will be accepted. Hope they are able to get the help they need!
You sound like someone who visited Epstein's Island. Even though there is evil there, it's okay because I had fun.
Well it’s finally over.
https://www.ksl.com/article/50717982/police-seize-illegal-drugs-firearms-from-downtown-new-yorker-nightclub
https://www.ksl.com/article/50717982/police-seize-illegal-drugs-firearms-from-downtown-new-yorker-nightclub
FantasiesofSLC wrote:
You sound like someone who visited Epstein's Island. Even though there is evil there, it's okay because I had fun.
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FantasiesofSLC wrote:But that would be “taking the moral high ground” and “hypocritical” because we are swingers we can’t have standards or morals! Yes everyone has a line and it’s ok to have that line, but when the ATF or other federal agencies get involved we are out. Call us hypocrites.
You sound like someone who visited Epstein's Island. Even though there is evil there, it's okay because I had fun.
Utahldscouple wrote:
But that would be “taking the moral high ground” and “hypocritical” because we are swingers we can’t have standards or morals! Yes everyone has a line and it’s ok to have that line, but when the ATF or other federal agencies get involved we are out. Call us hypocrites.
Wouldn’t you have to be “in” in order to be out? 😂
DEWEYBL wrote:See all comments above and read them again slowly.Utahldscouple wrote:
But that would be “taking the moral high ground” and “hypocritical” because we are swingers we can’t have standards or morals! Yes everyone has a line and it’s ok to have that line, but when the ATF or other federal agencies get involved we are out. Call us hypocrites.
Wouldn’t you have to be “in” in order to be out? 😂
So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
Dancing fun
GLOW TIME
hyfax1 wrote:
So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
Totally my experience with Ross as well. Had an amazing time at the new venue too!
I discussed this thread with several individuals who were there Saturday and knew the players involved. We had a good laugh to say the least.
Oh look someone else with an opposing opinion. Are you going to belittle, barade, insult, plead, and force your agenda upon them? Or are you going to let someone safety express their personal expierence? Even if it doesn’t align with your own. Are you going to let them have a safe space to express themselves? For a community that’s supposed to be supportive, encouraging uplifting and safe you sure know how to force fuck someone over for having their own opinion. Are you going to humiliate them, out them, insult, and bully them for contributing in a safe space? Some times it truly feels like there is a small group of people here who think they are protecting people and exposing fakes, however the energy behind it is holier than thou. It’s really sad to see the extent they have gone to just to be or feel right! Starving for validation with the eternal need to be right comes off as petty, desperate, and disfunctional. Maybe try less hard to feel like the coolest kids on the block. How many people were, and are appalled at the shit show of this thread? How many new people now just got a crash course of disfunction? What lessons were learned at what expense? Do you really feel good about yourself at the end of the day? Or are they chomping at the bit to make the last comment like a conversational narcissist? I am embarrassed, and concerned for this community if this is the best version of ourselves to express. With your time and experience you could be such a valuable asset to one and all. But hate is chosen and expressed. At the end of the day you have to look at your results. What was gained here? Your actions speak louder than words, however you weaponized your position and your words with intention to harm or damage another. We’re supposed to be better than that. Yet this……. This is the best we have to offer? Anger is a secondary emotion. Who really hurt y’all and put hate in your hearts? Let’s all just be better. Just because we do the right thing doesn’t mean we have to be right! Being and doing are two separately different things. Be better.
At the end of the day I don’t believe anyone’s mind was changed, so what service was really done here? Parting thought: the only way to get some one to think or feel the way you do is to convince them, or force them. To be completely honest I don’t believe you have enough lead in your pencil to force anyone here into your beliefs. Where do you draw the line? Convincing does not seem to be working. Maybe time to walk away from this battle? Save the long painful saga’s for television. Lead by example here please. If not it’s totally cool. Y’all do you.
DEWEYBL wrote:So talked shit about someone you don’t even know? Are you in Junior High? We don’t know any of the actors involved and wouldn’t publicly admit this! Talking to people attending are obviously going to defend him. Seeking validation from others is a sign of insecurity! Very easy to talk about someone when they aren’t there, show some emotional maturity.hyfax1 wrote:
So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
Totally my experience with Ross as well. Had an amazing time at the new venue too!
I discussed this thread with several individuals who were there Saturday and knew the players involved. We had a good laugh to say the least.
hyfax1 wrote:Not bashing but have a few questions. Why did they need to get a new venue in the first place? Was it because of unforeseen circumstances or the results of decisions made? Could this have not been avoided entirely had he just paid rent? During the eviction process could he just settled the rent up to stop it and then fight for the money back? Because you or your friends weren’t victims of a shooting or an assault does it make it safe?
So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
itssecret1967 wrote:So talked shit about someone you don’t even know? Are you in Junior High? We don’t know any of the actors involved and wouldn’t publicly admit this! Talking to people attending are obviously going to defend him. Seeking validation from others is a sign of insecurity! Very easy to talk about someone when they aren’t there, show some emotional maturity.[/quote]DEWEYBL wrote:
[quote=hyfax1]So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
Totally my experience with Ross as well. Had an amazing time at the new venue too!
I discussed this thread with several individuals who were there Saturday and knew the players involved. We had a good laugh to say the least.
The pot is calling the kettle black. It never ends with you guys does it? When is enough enough for everyone. Y’all bitching about people doing the same thing you’re doing. Hypocrisy at its pinnacle. Another trial account with no picture. Is this a fake account created to further push this hate agenda? Hmmmmmmm……. Can this post be removed from the site? The fucktarderary is immeasurable. Some people just need to be heard by any accord! Pretty soon you will run everyone off and have nobody but yourself to play with. It kinda feels like it’s happened to you before? Maybe you’re still hurt by it? The relentless desire to force feed this topic with an agenda is sad and appalling. Give it a rest. Maybe you can’t and will never be able to wrap your mind around it. Have some dignity for crying out loud
PIERCEDFORFUN951 wrote:So talked shit about someone you don’t even know? Are you in Junior High? We don’t know any of the actors involved and wouldn’t publicly admit this! Talking to people attending are obviously going to defend him. Seeking validation from others is a sign of insecurity! Very easy to talk about someone when they aren’t there, show some emotional maturity.[/quote]itssecret1967 wrote:
[quote=DEWEYBL][quote=hyfax1]So we just want to say that we know very few of you. And usually have a neutral opinion.
We have read all the comments for and against the New Yorker. Many of our friends that have attended it in the past have thoroughly enjoyed it and always felt safe. With that being said any place that has lifestyle activity can have situation’s. It’s all about protecting ourselves the best we can.
We just want to give a big thanks out to Ross. We don’t know him. We’ve only had one communication with him. And that’s because he reached out to us after he heard we were trying to go down for the New Yorker for their glow party.
He took the time out of his schedule to message us directly and informed us that it had been shut down and felt bad that we had already booked hotel rooms for a decent sized group.
He got us on to another venue that decided to do the glow party. He had no affiliation with them other than possibly friends or knowing them.
So for those that want to bash him that is your prerogative. But we will give him a HUGE pat on the back For reaching out to us while we were just trying to find some fun. So if you read this Ross it was very much appreciated.
We can’t remember the name of the place where the party was held at but man that was a great time. Everybody there was very respectful everybody had a great time, and it was a classy event. The party was amazing, and so enjoyable . The hosts were amazing and very accommodating.
So a big thanks to all who made this happen especially for those of us that had to travel.
And if anybody knows the name of the place somebody please give them a shout out because unfortunately we forgot what it was called.
Totally my experience with Ross as well. Had an amazing time at the new venue too!
I discussed this thread with several individuals who were there Saturday and knew the players involved. We had a good laugh to say the least.
The pot is calling the kettle black. It never ends with you guys does it? When is enough enough for everyone. Y’all bitching about people doing the same thing you’re doing. Hypocrisy at its pinnacle. Another trial account with no picture. Is this a fake account created to further push this hate agenda? Hmmmmmmm……. Can this post be removed from the site? The fucktarderary is immeasurable. Some people just need to be heard by any accord! Pretty soon you will run everyone off and have nobody but yourself to play with. It kinda feels like it’s happened to you before? Maybe you’re still hurt by it? The relentless desire to force feed this topic with an agenda is sad and appalling. Give it a rest. Maybe you can’t and will never be able to wrap your mind around it. Have some dignity for crying out loud[/quote]
Absolutely knew I’d get this reaction. Amusing watching the little nest get agitated.
“Are we in Junior High?” “Hate Agenda.” “Have some dignity”. “Fake profile.”
Hahahaha. All the Karen’s and Kevin’s are out in full force. 😂😂😂
Hey hommie. I was partially defending your stance. I don’t think you really read what I posted. Or what I replied too. Which is exactly half the problem with posts here.
Go back, read it again, and you’re welcome.
I’m fucking dead here. Catch a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he’ll feed himself for the rest of his life. Everyone is so focused on what to say next, y’all don’t read what’s in front of your face! The whole problem with this thread is not what people have said. The problem is how they said it. And how they trampled over everyone else’s opinion and experience while doing it. Let people have their own experiences.
I’m fucking dead here. Catch a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he’ll feed himself for the rest of his life. Everyone is so focused on what to say next, y’all don’t read what’s in front of your face! The whole problem with this thread is not what people have said. The problem is how they said it. And how they trampled over everyone else’s opinion and experience while doing it. Let people have their own experiences.
I have no skin in the game. Open a million ls clubs or shut them all the fuck down I don’t give 2 shits. My life and the joy and fun in my life will not be affected. But my experience of the club, and ownership has been nothing short of amazing and pleasant. NOTHING anyone has to say will change my experience. Obviously some people have been hurt, excluded, black listed, asked not to return. And it’s probably because of an experience they had. However that can be portrayed without decimating someone else. In a semi public forum. Nobody should tear anyone down just to feel better about themselves. It’s embarrassing y’all. Honestly. Grow up and move on.
PIERCEDFORFUN951 wrote:
I have no skin in the game. Open a million ls clubs or shut them all the fuck down I don’t give 2 shits. My life and the joy and fun in my life will not be affected. But my experience of the club, and ownership has been nothing short of amazing and pleasant. NOTHING anyone has to say will change my experience. Obviously some people have been hurt, excluded, black listed, asked not to return. And it’s probably because of an experience they had. However that can be portrayed without decimating someone else. In a semi public forum. Nobody should tear anyone down just to feel better about themselves. It’s embarrassing y’all. Honestly. Grow up and move on.
Nothing about your post was a lecture…
I also get that you were “partially” defending my point. Like you said - grow up and move on. Done. Got it. Thanks.
PIERCEDFORFUN951 wrote:Agree here! It was a post about information about the shut down. The two articles here posted the details/facts.
I have no skin in the game. Open a million ls clubs or shut them all the fuck down I don’t give 2 shits. My life and the joy and fun in my life will not be affected. But my experience of the club, and ownership has been nothing short of amazing and pleasant. NOTHING anyone has to say will change my experience. Obviously some people have been hurt, excluded, black listed, asked not to return. And it’s probably because of an experience they had. However that can be portrayed without decimating someone else. In a semi public forum. Nobody should tear anyone down just to feel better about themselves. It’s embarrassing y’all. Honestly. Grow up and move on.
Gotta admire the passion in this thread! Love you all! Stay safe and do what makes YOU happy.
PIERCEDFORFUN951 wrote:You are a smart one aren’t you? You do realize what that term means right? It means I did it then called someone out for it? I didn’t talk shit about anyone behind their back. I will do it to their faces because I have enough balls to do it. No one on this thread will be willing to meet up and say shit to anyone. They hide behind the keyboard. If you want to talk shit about me, do it so I know it and can confront the issue head on. All these single men on here without a pair of balls talking shit. Message me we will meet up and you can tell talk to me directly like a man. Go ahead and say what you want about a fake account (see several on this thread) but I am actually willing to stand behind what I am observing (in person) as well as on here!
The pot is calling the kettle black. It never ends with you guys does it? When is enough enough for everyone. Y’all bitching about people doing the same thing you’re doing. Hypocrisy at its pinnacle. Another trial account with no picture. Is this a fake account created to further push this hate agenda? Hmmmmmmm……. Can this post be removed from the site? The fucktarderary is immeasurable. Some people just need to be heard by any accord! Pretty soon you will run everyone off and have nobody but yourself to play with. It kinda feels like it’s happened to you before? Maybe you’re still hurt by it? The relentless desire to force feed this topic with an agenda is sad and appalling. Give it a rest. Maybe you can’t and will never be able to wrap your mind around it. Have some dignity for crying out loud