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I have to say it because the Covid post turned into a political debate. I’m not going to say anything else other than, leave it out of the LS. It reminds me of two little kids playing. One white and one black. They are best friends and have so much fun together. It’s because they are none the wiser about skin color or racism. Which is taught. Just two human beings enjoying each other’s company. Don’t you think many couples would meet with politics left behind and have a fantastic time regardless? When the political cloud is lifted, we’re all just good people here looking to have some fun. Please, for the sake of never knowing some great people, don’t judge based on political affiliation. You’re really limiting your experiences. We will swing with any party. Right, left, middle, we don’t care! We look for chemistry and attraction and nothing more. We don’t care if you pray to God, Buddha, or a golden calf either. We worship the human body. So let’s all play nice. LS = sexy fun. LS does not = politics / religion. Enough said. ✌️
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:

I have to say it because the Covid post turned into a political debate. I’m not going to say anything else other than, leave it out of the LS. It reminds me of two little kids playing. One white and one black. They are best friends and have so much fun together. It’s because they are none the wiser about skin color or racism. Which is taught. Just two human beings enjoying each other’s company. Don’t you think many couples would meet with politics left behind and have a fantastic time regardless? When the political cloud is lifted, we’re all just good people here looking to have some fun. Please, for the sake of never knowing some great people, don’t judge based on political affiliation. You’re really limiting your experiences. We will swing with any party. Right, left, middle, we don’t care! We look for chemistry and attraction and nothing more. We don’t care if you pray to God, Buddha, or a golden calf either. We worship the human body. So let’s all play nice. LS = sexy fun. LS does not = politics / religion. Enough said. ✌️
. Well said thank you
[quote=UTHOTCPLEXTREME]I have to say it because the Covid post turned into a political debate. I’m not going to say anything else other than, leave it out of the LS. It reminds me of two little kids playing. One white and one black. They are best friends and have so much fun together. It’s because they are none the wiser about skin color or racism. Which is taught. Just two human beings enjoying each other’s company. Don’t you think many couples would meet with politics left behind and have a fantastic time regardless? When the political cloud is lifted, we’re all just good people here looking to have some fun. Please, for the sake of never knowing some great people, don’t judge based on political affiliation. You’re really limiting your experiences. We will swing with any party. Right, left, middle, we don’t care! We look for chemistry and attraction and nothing more. We don’t care if you pray to God, Buddha, or a golden calf either. We worship the human body. So let’s all play nice. LS = sexy fun. LS does not = politics / religion. Enough said.

Amen…opps to religious.
Hallelujah….some place in between
We agree and just posted on another thread how unsexy political discussion is in the LS.
A few weeks ago as I sat next to a lovely lady who I had just had mind blowing sex with turn to me and said “I just love Trump”. I turned to her and said we don’t discuss those topics at a swinger party, it’s not appropriate, nothing personal. She later apologized and since it was her 1st swinger party I told her not to worry about it but to remember this just isn’t the time or place for that type of discussion. She did not bring it up again and still had a passionate kiss for me when she left.
I think this captured an important point, but I think it misses something that is important to many people in the vax thread.

In swinging and playing we are mingling our bodies, this opens us up to diseases. Some people are concerned about these diseases, so it is important to them to feel protected against them.

I don't think politics or your decision to get vaccinated are as important as transparency of information and the trust of that information.

If there ever is an HIV vaccine (for example) I would want whoever I play with to also have it. If someone did not want to get that vaccine, that is their choice (sad because we could eliminate HIV, if they/everyone got it...) but what is important to me, is that they share this information with me, so that I can make an informed choice to not play with that person. Hence why having papers could be important to people, because that somewhat solves the "trust" problem.

I hope this can help clear the air. As much as I dig the why can't we all be friends vibe, we need to be sympathetic to the people that view this as an important issue, and not minimize it.

Thanks for being patient/forgiving if causes the thread to devolve into attacks again.
YOUNGANDOUTDOORSY wrote:

I think this captured an important point, but I think it misses something that is important to many people in the vax thread.
In swinging and playing we are mingling our bodies, this opens us up to diseases. Some people are concerned about these diseases, so it is important to them to feel protected against them.
I don't think politics or your decision to get vaccinated are as important as transparency of information and the trust of that information.
If there ever is an HIV vaccine (for example) I would want whoever I play with to also have it. If someone did not want to get that vaccine, that is their choice (sad because we could eliminate HIV, if they/everyone got it...) but what is important to me, is that they share this information with me, so that I can make an informed choice to not play with that person. Hence why having papers could be important to people, because that somewhat solves the "trust" problem.
I hope this can help clear the air. As much as I dig the why can't we all be friends vibe, we need to be sympathetic to the people that view this as an important issue, and not minimize it.
Thanks for being patient/forgiving if causes the thread to devolve into attacks again.


Have to agree with YOUNGAND here and, at the risk of harshing a bit of a kumbaya moment, play devil's advocate just a little (Shocking, right? ;P). We've been in the lifestyle for a LONG time and have def become good friends with people of all races, creeds (politics?) and religions and, for the most part, gotten along just fine. Having said that, we've also had some incredibly awkward, and even an outright dangerous, situation crop up that might have been avoided if we've listened to our gut a little more and, perhaps, said "Thanks but no thanks." to at least a few people along the way.

I alluded earlier to an incident where one of our "friends" actually pulled a gun on another of our friends at a party we were hosting after having a little too much to drink and misreading a situation between his wife and another friend. Luckily, we were able to diffuse the situation and the evening ended without violence, albeit on a pretty sour note. We had no idea he had a gun with him but, in hindsight, we probably should have known that it was at least a possibility.

Another time we were lying there in a little puppy-pile with two other couples basking in post-coital bliss when one of the ladies loudly started praying (We actually thought, at first, that she was just punking us all and inappropriately started laughing at her.) and thanking "Jesus" for the amazing sex we'd all just had. I won't bore you with the rest of her rather lengthy prayer but suffice it to say it was a HUGE buzzkill/wet blanket over the rest of the evening.

So, while I can totally appreciate the "Can't we all just get along?" vibe, I know from experience that it isn't always possible nor is it preferable in every situation with every individual in the lifestyle. Personally, I think reasonable rational adults should be able to debate and disagree about things without it turning too contentious or threatening violence. Carry on.
YOUNGANDOUTDOORSY wrote:

I think this captured an important point, but I think it misses something that is important to many people in the vax thread.
In swinging and playing we are mingling our bodies, this opens us up to diseases. Some people are concerned about these diseases, so it is important to them to feel protected against them.
I don't think politics or your decision to get vaccinated are as important as transparency of information and the trust of that information.
If there ever is an HIV vaccine (for example) I would want whoever I play with to also have it. If someone did not want to get that vaccine, that is their choice (sad because we could eliminate HIV, if they/everyone got it...) but what is important to me, is that they share this information with me, so that I can make an informed choice to not play with that person. Hence why having papers could be important to people, because that somewhat solves the "trust" problem.
I hope this can help clear the air. As much as I dig the why can't we all be friends vibe, we need to be sympathetic to the people that view this as an important issue, and not minimize it.
Thanks for being patient/forgiving if causes the thread to devolve into attacks again.


Totally with you on the vaccine status. But the Covid post started making “jabs” (pun intended) at political affiliation. There is no correlation between party and vaccine status. If you watch the lying media, of course they’ll be biased. CNN or Fox, you’ll get opposite spins. But if vaccine status is important that we talk about it and make decisions. But to out of the gates say “if you’re this political affiliation ” we want nothing to do with you”, seems a bit judgmental and completely unnecessary. It became about who’s your leader of choice instead of vaccine status and the LS.
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:


Totally with you on the vaccine status. But the Covid post started making “jabs” (pun intended) at political affiliation. There is no correlation between party and vaccine status. If you watch the lying media, of course they’ll be biased. CNN or Fox, you’ll get opposite spins. But if vaccine status is important that we talk about it and make decisions. But to out of the gates say “if you’re this political affiliation ” we want nothing to do with you”, seems a bit judgmental and completely unnecessary. It became about who’s your leader of choice instead of vaccine status and the LS.


I think I can honestly say that if someone professed to be a follower of Charles Manson, I would not want to socialize with them, let alone sleep with them. There is some truth to the idea that you are known by the company you keep. By extension, that also includes the beliefs that you profess. Admittedly, the example of Charles Manson is an extreme, but there is a sizable contingent of people who profess Nazism, white supremacy, and other extreme views. There are also those who, by their rhetoric, appear to favor violence and mayhem whenever they don't get their way. These people seem to be getting louder by the day. Say what you will, I'm not interested in joining their social circle. If that is being judgmental, so be it.
SUNRISE wrote:

UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:


Totally with you on the vaccine status. But the Covid post started making “jabs” (pun intended) at political affiliation. There is no correlation between party and vaccine status. If you watch the lying media, of course they’ll be biased. CNN or Fox, you’ll get opposite spins. But if vaccine status is important that we talk about it and make decisions. But to out of the gates say “if you’re this political affiliation ” we want nothing to do with you”, seems a bit judgmental and completely unnecessary. It became about who’s your leader of choice instead of vaccine status and the LS.

I think I can honestly say that if someone professed to be a follower of Charles Manson, I would not want to socialize with them, let alone sleep with them. There is some truth to the idea that you are known by the company you keep. By extension, that also includes the beliefs that you profess. Admittedly, the example of Charles Manson is an extreme, but there is a sizable contingent of people who profess Nazism, white supremacy, and other extreme views. There are also those who, by their rhetoric, appear to favor violence and mayhem whenever they don't get their way. These people seem to be getting louder by the day. Say what you will, I'm not interested in joining their social circle. If that is being judgmental, so be it.


Yes you’re so right. I can’t tell you how many times Nazi’s and white supremacists have crashed otherwise good LS parties. It’s been a real problem. That entire comment to me, solidifies how polarized this world has become. Shall we start handing out LS resumes complete with cult status, political affiliation, religious beliefs, or not, and any other affiliated status that might infringe on someone’s ability to be a decent human being or have sex? I’d hate to Fuck someone straight into the wrong political party. I can honestly say that in the 15 years we’ve been in and out of the LS, we’ve never met anyone where we were able to tell what there preferences were by looking at them. Do you seriously ask couples?

Oh btw, the wife has always wanted to bang and Antifa member. If anyone knows one, let us know. Gotta run, have to finish up my book report on the Communist Manifesto. This lifestyle stuff is hard work.
Well, I agree … and I disagree

... the VAX thread made it brilliantly clear that there are more than quite a few incredibly ignorant narrow minded couples here ... politically

We really don’t care what your political slant may be, as long as its not on the far extreme radical side of either party … but if you’re so stupid that you fall for the divisive agendas of many politicians and the main stream media, spewing that all conservatives and republicans are racists or uneducated or “Trump lovers” , or that all liberals and democrats are woke progressive Antifa socialists, or worse, AOC lovers lol … we really have ZERO interest in anyone with that complete and utter lack of intelligence.

Isn’t the LS supposed to be about being open minded ... Just sayin
We've actually found that in many ways the lifestyle is just as closed-minded (maybe even more!) than society in general. Maybe it's because we're getting a LOT closer than people normally do in their everyday lives. There are many cliques, people who won't even consider someone of a certain body type/weight, height, cock size, those who have a strict age range, and yes, even those who will only consider people who are a certain race or ethnic group. I'm not sure why religion and politics wouldn't also be disqualifiers if so many of the above are as well.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EVILDOERS wrote:

We've actually found that in many ways the lifestyle is just as closed-minded (maybe even more!) than society in general. Maybe it's because we're getting a LOT closer than people normally do in their everyday lives. There are many cliques, people who won't even consider someone of a certain body type/weight, height, cock size, those who have a strict age range, and yes, even those who will only consider people who are a certain race or ethnic group. I'm not sure why religion and politics wouldn't also be disqualifiers if so many of the above are as well.¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Oh I don’t disagree with that at all, especially when it comes to LS playmates, which hinges also on physical attraction. Please by all means disqualify us because we have conservative values, or because of our view on guns, or because we’re capitalists, or because I have big fake boobs lol, that’s all fine by us. But being a nit-wit and broadly categorizing anyone as “Trump lovers” or “anti-Vaxers” or whatever, like some of the couples on the vax thread with their new silly “lists” .. thats just plain being stupid ... you know, like the head of the Utah chapter of BLM who said that anyone who flies our Stars and Stripes is a racist ... that kind of fucking stupidity ... ooops , did I open a new can of worms there lol 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s great and all… but some of us don’t feel like sleeping with people whose party has tried to take away their rights the past 4 years. Within the lgbtq community… I for one don’t want to sleep with anyone that supports trump as he made life very difficult in many aspects for lgbtq people. I’d rather know beforehand and avoid an awkward encounter than have to find out in person and kill the mood. To each their own. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷‍♂️ We don’t think that’s unfair.
Brytur45 wrote:

That’s great and all… but some of us don’t feel like sleeping with people whose party has tried to take away their rights the past 4 years. Within the lgbtq community… I for one don’t want to sleep with anyone that supports trump as he made life very difficult in many aspects for lgbtq people. I’d rather know beforehand and avoid an awkward encounter than have to find out in person and kill the mood. To each their own. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷‍♂️ We don’t think that’s unfair.


The problem is there isn’t a political party for a most that actually fits the bill perfectly. We’re republicans mostly because of our beliefs on taxation, and fiscal policy, and government control, and btw we think Trump is an idiot ... and OMG I’m totally bisexual, and a BDsM submissive, and an environmentalist ... where the fuck do I fit in lol. And thus my frustration when generalizations are made that all conservatives or republicans or democrats or liberals are one thing or another.

But I get your point .... and you can throw everyone of a particular party in the same party bag based on that social issue ... like so many do. We just think it’s narrow minded. ☮️

It’s hard to fit a square peg in a round hole, that’s probably politics for most of us.
When you think about it, with all the major, minor, overt or unspoken, and even subconscious qualifiers and disqualifiers that people in the lifestyle use to determine who is 'fuck-worthy', it's amazing that ANYONE is having any kind of naughty swinger sex! HaHa

We've often said (And yes, we've been guilty of this as well.) that many swingers often spend more time looking for reasons NOT to fuck rather than looking FOR reasons to fuck. That seems kinda like the antithesis of swinging when you really think about it. Judging by the tone and rhetoric (And, again, I have been just as guilty.) of recent threads, those in positions of power and influence who would seek to divide us for their personal gain have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
EVILDOERS wrote:

When you think about it, with all the major, minor, overt or unspoken, and even subconscious qualifiers and disqualifiers that people in the lifestyle use to determine who is 'fuck-worthy', it's amazing that ANYONE is having any kind of naughty swinger sex! HaHa
We've often said (And yes, we've been guilty of this as well.) that many swingers often spend more time looking for reasons NOT to fuck rather than looking FOR reasons to fuck. That seems kinda like the antithesis of swinging when you really think about it. Judging by the tone and rhetoric (And, again, I have been just as guilty.) of recent threads, those in positions of power and influence who would seek to divide us for their personal gain have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
So agree on this! We personally don’t discuss politics or religion (yes it’s in our username so you know our background) but avoid the topics. Let’s be honest it’s not sexy and fun to discuss. We have found out don’t judge the book by the cover (pictures) many a times! Where do people get those filters 😂?
We hear you. We don’t think all republicans are anti lgbtq… we just take issue with the trump supporters who stood by his anti lgbtq policies. Articulating thoughts is important, and we could have done better clarifying that. We have to take in consideration all of the above because if we are to open our relationship (and not just the bedroom)… there are certain morals / values that we wouldn’t compromise on. For example if my wife and I were polar opposite on a human rights issue… we wouldn’t be married. We feel the same for bringing another couple into our hearts and relationship. Everyone should have different views, we are all different. But that doesn’t mean they always mesh well together. Our precious post over simplified a complicated topic, as you pointed out.
Wow … no one took the bait to debate my opinion of the head of the Utah Black Lives Matter BLM chapter view on our country’s flag 🤷🏼‍♀️ …. Maybe everyone agrees ? Or maybe just a touch too sensitive given the shitshow in Afghanistan 🇺🇸
Ok ok ok … I agree, this s all getting way too serious for a fun loving swinger site. No more forum issues that are generally, but not always, politically associated social issues.

So … Are big fake boobs a disqualification for who you play with ??
FunKinkyDuo wrote:

Ok ok ok … I agree, this s all getting way too serious for a fun loving swinger site. No more forum issues that are generally, but not always, politically associated social issues.
So … Are big fake boobs a disqualification for who you play with ??


😂😂😂 my husband has nothing against big fake boobs! In fact I go in for my consultation in September!!! Sooo excited, and nervous. I don’t do well with pain… but… boobs. I’ve been wanting implants for YEARS. They look great btw!
FunKinkyDuo wrote:

Ok ok ok … I agree, this s all getting way too serious for a fun loving swinger site. No more forum issues that are generally, but not always, politically associated social issues.
So … Are big fake boobs a disqualification for who you play with ??
Yes if not done correctly. Who are we kidding of course not 😂!
Brytur45 wrote:

FunKinkyDuo wrote:

Ok ok ok … I agree, this s all getting way too serious for a fun loving swinger site. No more forum issues that are generally, but not always, politically associated social issues.
So … Are big fake boobs a disqualification for who you play with ??

😂😂😂 my husband has nothing against big fake boobs! In fact I go in for my consultation in September!!! Sooo excited, and nervous. I don’t do well with pain… but… boobs. I’ve been wanting implants for YEARS. They look great btw!



Well thanks! I love them … and good luck with yours !!

And Oops , don’t mind that AR15 in the pic … my bad 🤣
The lifestyle, like the outside world is all about judging people. You judge age, weight, looks, experience and on and on. Anyone who claims they don't is lying. You may be more or less judgemental than others, but judgemental all the same. We don't care what your political/religious affiliation are or your vax status unless those things define who you are. We know we won't have a connection is those are the most important things in your life. Everyone isn't for everyone, a completely acceptable fact.
Nicely done. This is a dating site first and foremost. Vax and religion and politics are topics guaranteed to alienate many prospective interests.

If those things define you, then other venues exist for you: political parties, vax activism, church. Please don't ruin this too.
Very sexy. Sexy woman, sexy AR, sexy woman woman with a sexy AR!

Boing!!!!!!
Vax = politics. Even if you say not.
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:

[quote=SUNRISE][quote=UTHOTCPLEXTREME]

Oh btw, the wife has always wanted to bang and Antifa member. If anyone knows one, let us know. Gotta run, have to finish up my book report on the Communist Manifesto. This lifestyle stuff is hard work.


I love Marx especially the communist manifesto it’s a brilliant piece of literature. I have anarchist tattooed on my chest and fuck the police with a severed pigs head tattoo on my knee. So I might fit your bill 😂😂😂
Skicouple801 wrote:

UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:

[quote=SUNRISE][quote=UTHOTCPLEXTREME]
Oh btw, the wife has always wanted to bang and Antifa member. If anyone knows one, let us know. Gotta run, have to finish up my book report on the Communist Manifesto. This lifestyle stuff is hard work.

I love Marx especially the communist manifesto it’s a brilliant piece of literature. I have anarchist tattooed on my chest and fuck the police with a severed pigs head tattoo on my knee. So I might fit your bill 😂😂😂


Right? Groucho is the BEST! I haven't seen that particular one but Duck Soup would be pretty hard to beat. Also, if anyone is interested we're planning a baby BBQ (infer what you will) with all of our Antifa friends on Labor Day (which is, of course, a communist holiday).

There will be all sorts of fun and games including potato sack and three-legged races (although the lizard people always seem to win those because they use their tails for additional balance-CHEATERS!). We were going to invite a bunch of BLM people but I guess we got the URL's mixed up and a bunch of people who looked like park rangers started RSVPing.

And, just to keep within the theme of this thread, I'm also going to get some new ink. Since, to my mind, anarchy is kinda all over the map these days, and def in the eye of the beholder, I've chosen instead an Antichrist tattoo with a 666 in a gothic script underneath it. I'm not saying where it will be but it WILL be in an area that will be blatant when I go out swinging.

https://c.tenor.com/T8Pz-UelH30AAAAM/chico-marx-groucho-marx.gif
EVILDOERS wrote:

Skicouple801 wrote:

[quote=UTHOTCPLEXTREME][quote=SUNRISE][quote=UTHOTCPLEXTREME]
Oh btw, the wife has always wanted to bang and Antifa member. If anyone knows one, let us know. Gotta run, have to finish up my book report on the Communist Manifesto. This lifestyle stuff is hard work.

I love Marx especially the communist manifesto it’s a brilliant piece of literature. I have anarchist tattooed on my chest and fuck the police with a severed pigs head tattoo on my knee. So I might fit your bill 😂😂😂

Right? Groucho is the BEST! I haven't seen that particular one but Duck Soup would be pretty hard to beat. Also, if anyone is interested we're planning a baby BBQ (infer what you will) with all of our Antifa friends on Labor Day (which is, of course, a communist holiday).
There will be all sorts of fun and games including potato sack and three-legged races (although the lizard people always seem to win those because they use their tails for additional balance-CHEATERS!). We were going to invite a bunch of BLM people but I guess we got the URL's mixed up and a bunch of people who looked like park rangers started RSVPing.
And, just to keep within the theme of this thread, I'm also going to get some new ink. Since, to my mind, anarchy is kinda all over the map these days, and def in the eye of the beholder, I've chosen instead an Antichrist tattoo with a 666 in a gothic script underneath it. I'm not saying where it will be but it WILL be in an area that will be blatant when I go out swinging.
https://c.tenor.com/T8Pz-UelH30AAAAM/chico-marx-groucho-marx.gif[/quote]

I just got word George Soros has made me a 2 star general in the Antifa galactic space force.
Skicouple801 wrote:


I just got word George Soros has made me a 2 star general in the Antifa galactic space force.


Seems like a perfectly appropriate position for the couple with the silly list who thinks everyone who voted for Trump hasn’t been vaccinated 🤣😂🤣
"I just got word George Soros has made me a 2 star general in the Antifa galactic space force."

Cool. Hilary just put ME in charge of hiding all her emails and guarding her personal supply of Adrenochrome (I keep track of it on my Chromebook.) and murdering all of her political opponents; and AOC hired me to run the Italian vote-changing satellites and the Jewish space lasers.

I can't WAIT for the downfall of America from Obamacare, transgender bathrooms, and negotiating with Germany, France, and Canada instead of Russia, Turkey, and the Taliban. Oh, and making billionaires and huge corporations pay taxes so they'll move all the factories overseas and we won't get anymore of that sweet sweet trickle-down money.

Although I AM a little worried about that "plant-based beer" Larry Kudlow was talking about. I def prefer meat-based beer to go with my braised babies.
Right ! And then on top of all that you have to wonder if Isis K has any idea we have open boarders. Hmmm …. Nah I doubt it.
EVILDOERS wrote:

" and AOC hired me to run the Italian vote-changing satellites and the Jewish space lasers.


I'm so jelly!!! AOC 👌 👍
MrNMrsHorny wrote:

Everyone isn't for everyone, a completely acceptable fact.

So much truth right here! 💯
Canvas wrote:

EVILDOERS wrote:

" and AOC hired me to run the Italian vote-changing satellites and the Jewish space lasers.

I'm so jelly!!! AOC 👌 👍


OMG OMG me too!!! Just Imagine it! a world with AOC as our fearless leader, a world where no one is rich and no one is poor ( well more like everyone is poor , but god damnit we’re all fucking poor and equal right ? ) …. Oh and we all drive Yugos … or maybe Prius’zzzz 🌈 🦄 🌈🦄🌈🦄🌈🦄. I can only dream
FunKinkyDuo wrote:

Canvas wrote:

[quote=EVILDOERS]" and AOC hired me to run the Italian vote-changing satellites and the Jewish space lasers.

I'm so jelly!!! AOC 👌 👍

OMG OMG me too!!! Just Imagine it! a world with AOC as our fearless leader, a world where no one is rich and no one is poor ( well more like everyone is poor , but god damnit we’re all fucking poor and equal right ? ) …. Oh and we all drive Yugos … or maybe Prius’zzzz 🌈 🦄 🌈🦄🌈🦄🌈🦄. I can only dream[/quote]

Ah yes, rich vs. poor. Such a quandary.

https://preview.redd.it/trxtq0q0g3d71.jpg?auto=webp&s=bb84e51ddd3214fc0548cf7a4b748c749f4117f0
Can’t we all just get along…. Ifykyk
[quote=EVILDOERS]
Ah yes, rich vs. poor. Such a quandary.


But is it ? Is it actually a quandary ? . Shall we compare the overall quality of life in capitalism based economies ….to say oh ….. ANY other type hmmmm 🤔
“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.“

Noam Chomsky

I don’t know on what thread on what swinger site he posted this.
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:

“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.“
Noam Chomsky
I don’t know on what thread on what swinger site he posted this.


I wholeheartedly agree with that! It’s unfortunate that woke Facebook and Twitter do not LOL
The reason a person's politics influences whether or not another person wants to fuck them is because of what politics has descended into. It used to be that politics was a debate over how big to make the defense budget, whether or not a large social safety net was helpful, is progressive taxation better than a flat tax, etc. Issues of policy where everybody was using the same facts and basic logic tools to debate. Now politics is a fight over the very nature of what it is to be a moral person. It is a fight over the fundamentals of what is a fact and what is a lie. It is hard to respect someone enough to want to get intimate with them when they are so fr from you about such fundamental issues. Would you want to fuck a child rapist? Well, to some the opinions of some others are that disturbing.
JULESVERNE wrote:

The reason a person's politics influences whether or not another person wants to fuck them is because of what politics has descended into. It used to be that politics was a debate over how big to make the defense budget, whether or not a large social safety net was helpful, is progressive taxation better than a flat tax, etc. Issues of policy where everybody was using the same facts and basic logic tools to debate. Now politics is a fight over the very nature of what it is to be a moral person. It is a fight over the fundamentals of what is a fact and what is a lie. It is hard to respect someone enough to want to get intimate with them when they are so fr from you about such fundamental issues. Would you want to fuck a child rapist? Well, to some the opinions of some others are that disturbing.


Good analogy … but it’s the politicians and mainstream media that have divided the country by spewing that every person of a particular party takes the same exact position on so many social issues that have now become political issues ….and all because the nit wit politicians have assigned a particular social position or belief to their party line. And a ton of people in this country believe what they’re being fed ….. SHEEP!
It's interesting how so many people want to continue to discuss this topic, it gives me hope that even though we are polarized, there might be a way we communicate with one another (even if it just trolling ;p).

I've been reading "Why we are so polarized" by Ezra Klein, it is very informative. I honestly believe if all voting adults read it, we could fix many of our problems (which if you've read the book you'd understand as ironic/paradoxical).

TLDR;
We're polarized, because we've formed identities around the parties and any information that challenges our identity we automatically dismiss. This is the same for anyone from "woke liberals" to "long time democrats" to "trump republicans" to "tax based republicans", etc...

If anyone wants to chat about the book, I'd love to, feel free to hit me up.
YOUNGANDOUTDOORSY wrote:

It's interesting how so many people want to continue to discuss this topic, it gives me hope that even though we are polarized, there might be a way we communicate with one another (even if it just trolling ;p).
I've been reading "Why we are so polarized" by Ezra Klein, it is very informative. I honestly believe if all voting adults read it, we could fix many of our problems (which if you've read the book you'd understand as ironic/paradoxical).
TLDR;
We're polarized, because we've formed identities around the parties and any information that challenges our identity we automatically dismiss. This is the same for anyone from "woke liberals" to "long time democrats" to "trump republicans" to "tax based republicans", etc...
If anyone wants to chat about the book, I'd love to, feel free to hit me up.



Some people are even more polarized than others!

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FunKinkyDuo wrote:


Good analogy … but it’s the politicians and mainstream media that have divided the country by spewing that every person of a particular party takes the same exact position on so many social issues that have now become political issues ….and all because the nit wit politicians have assigned a particular social position or belief to their party line. And a ton of people in this country believe what they’re being fed ….. SHEEP!


You're 100% right.

It's the fact that many people allow themselves the easy path of delusions via political rhetoric by politicians and the media that's the underlying problem. I don't believe most of what I hear and read in the media - from either side. I spend a lot of time trying to figure it out for myself, but then I also know that I don't have access to all of the truth, so my at least partially informed version of the truth is probably skewed as well.

Thus - I don't want to get into any kind of political discussion with someone I'm about to party with. Neither of us is right, and the likelihood of convincing the other person that each of us is right is so obscure that it's not at all likely, so why ruin a perfectly good relationship? (How's that for a run-on sentence, for all of you grammar Nazis?)