I'm seeking feedback concerning Acoustic Wave Therapy. As I mature through the years as a male I find myself experiencing symptoms of Ed. Oh, my EGO doesn't want to discuss this issue but what the hell. I know there are a tons of us males in the same boat, some younger and some older than me and it appears that it's a hard to discuss issue for a bunch of Us. I recently went to an appointment at Wasatch Medical Clinic seeking help other than the pills which helped for a few years but with less than satisfactory results as time went on and side effects I'm looking for other help. My visit at WMC seemed kinda scamish and they charge a bunch for six visits which are not guaranteed. If you have experience or feedback to share please do so...either here on the Forum or at my inbox???
Have you had your testosterone levels checked? Lots of guys suffer from low testosterone and Ed can be a result. I would start there with a simple blood test. If it’s low then dr give you a cream or a weekly shot to bring it up
If you go on testosterone therapy of any kind, your body’s reaction is that it senses the increase i. your testosterone artificial or your own. Taking it obviously increases it, but the body will actually shut down its own production as it sees the total level as sufficient. So your nuts shut down any production of it and will not start it up again and you will ALWAYS have to take it. My brother is a doc.
REALLY98 wrote:
Have you had your testosterone levels checked? Lots of guys suffer from low testosterone and Ed can be a result. I would start there with a simple blood test. If it’s low then dr give you a cream or a weekly shot to bring it up
Great conversation Arousingtimes. And Really98 shares some great advice. Start with your primary care physician if it hasn't been done already. Conditions such as hypothyroidism, obesity, and sleep apnea can all lead to ED and/or low testosterone so it would be wise to discuss those things with your physician. Hopefully you can find a great solution!
I have had the initial 6 procedures at Mens Health Clinic. I have seen improvement. As the comment above says other issues which i also suffer from and am looking into it.
Thanks all, I have had my testosterone level tested and it's in the high zone somewhere around 750 if I recall correctly. I've worn down my Physician with repeated testosterone blood work tests. When I went in last week (1st visit) to Wasatch Medical they about knocked me off my chair when I was quoted $2900.00 for 6 (approx 15 mins each) treatments. I said no...he excused himself, came back and lowered the price to $2100.00 if I would pay that amount up front with no guarantee with results. I again said no deal and they finally agreed to individual payments of $350.00 per treatment. Please keep your feedback coming in and if you've had good results with less expensive treatments elsewhere I would find that valuable!!! I checked and the acoustic wave machines I saw are from China and are available from $600.00 to $2100.00 but I'm feeling uncomfortable with doing the application myself. I've also read treatment needs to be applied approx. annually ? Thanks again and hope your feedback continues to come in 
LOL I see almost-infomercial length ads for this stuff all the time on TV. Can't imagine what they're paying 'per-minute' to air these things even just on local network affiliates, but that alone would likely account for a big part of the cost. A chiropractor I know advertises this "therapy" so that's another thing that makes me go "Hmmmm.".
After a VERY quick literature search, most ED studies claim that mental/psychological factors are up to 20% responsible for ED problems. Factor in the placebo effect (usually close to 50% for many drug studies), and no guarantee of success, and it really does start to look like it could just be modern-day snake oil.
But if you wanna try it out you can apparently buy your own "ED machine" on Amazon (and it arrives before Valentines Day!) and even cheaper on Ali Express. LOL!
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After a VERY quick literature search, most ED studies claim that mental/psychological factors are up to 20% responsible for ED problems. Factor in the placebo effect (usually close to 50% for many drug studies), and no guarantee of success, and it really does start to look like it could just be modern-day snake oil.
But if you wanna try it out you can apparently buy your own "ED machine" on Amazon (and it arrives before Valentines Day!) and even cheaper on Ali Express. LOL!
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AROUSINGTIMES wrote:
Thanks all, I have had my testosterone level tested and it's in the high zone somewhere around 750 if I recall correctly. I've worn down my Physician with repeated testosterone blood work tests. When I went in last week (1st visit) to Wasatch Medical they about knocked me off my chair when I was quoted $2900.00 for 6 (approx 15 mins each) treatments. I said no...he excused himself, came back and lowered the price to $2100.00 if I would pay that amount up front with no guarantee with results. I again said no deal and they finally agreed to individual payments of $350.00 per treatment. Please keep your feedback coming in and if you've had good results with less expensive treatments elsewhere I would find that valuable!!! I checked and the acoustic wave machines I saw are from China and are available from $600.00 to $2100.00 but I'm feeling uncomfortable with doing the application myself. I've also read treatment needs to be applied approx. annually ? Thanks again and hope your feedback continues to come in
You can buy a hell of a lot of blue pills for $1400
This is what the therapy does. It destroys the old blood allowing them to grow back new. They deteriorate back in about 5 years. The price is cheap being you have free treatments for life. I was to the point where pills worked 50% of the time. I would pay triple to wake up feeling like a man.
Not much actual scientific evidence at ALL for this stuff. Here's about the only thing I found after a quick Google search.
ED Shockwave Therapy
From the above link: "Thus, no high-quality level 1a evidence is available and level 1b evidence is conflicting regarding the use of Li-ESWT for ED treatment."
ED Shockwave Therapy
From the above link: "Thus, no high-quality level 1a evidence is available and level 1b evidence is conflicting regarding the use of Li-ESWT for ED treatment."
ThisIsCrazyThisIsCrazy wrote:...Thanks You Guys, I'll check on hypothyroidism, not sure about that issue but think all is good with other items You mentioned. Thank You !!!REALLY98 wrote:
Have you had your testosterone levels checked? Lots of guys suffer from low testosterone and Ed can be a result. I would start there with a simple blood test. If it’s low then dr give you a cream or a weekly shot to bring it up
Great conversation Arousingtimes. And Really98 shares some great advice. Start with your primary care physician if it hasn't been done already. Conditions such as hypothyroidism, obesity, and sleep apnea can all lead to ED and/or low testosterone so it would be wise to discuss those things with your physician. Hopefully you can find a great solution!
To echo what ThisIsCrazyThisIsCrazy is saying... breathing can have a huge impact on ED, so can oral hygiene. Poor Oral Hygiene can cause gum disease (which most people have), and a more severe version of gum disease called Periodontal Disease. Even if you brush regularly, this disease can still effect you if you don’t floss. I recommend a waterpik water flosser.
Most people who have periodontal disease have no idea they have it. I noticed a significant difference in erections after getting chlorhexadine gluconate mouthwash and subsequently getting root scaling procedure done on my teeth by a periodontist. Something to at least consider or have your dental hygienist check for.
The other big factor is poor breathing techniques, which most people suffer from these days. This includes breathing too quickly and mouth breathing.
Poor breathing makes your mouth dry and leaves your mouth vulnerable to bacteria which can cause gum disease. Poor breathing also causes high blood pressure which causes ED.
Most insurance companies cover sleep apnea machines and even pay for you to do a sleep study. I recommend doing a sleep study to see if you suffer from sleep apnea.
Whether you have ED or not, I highly recommend improving your breathing technique for a healthy longer life.
Two books that have helped me are ‘Breath’ by ‘James Nestor’ and ‘The Oxygen Advantage’ by ‘Patrick McKeown”
I think it’s something worth looking into especially if you have high or low blood pressure. Sure as hell beats side fx from pills.
Lastly what you can do is get a physical and have the doctor draw your blood to check your lipids. If you have High cholesterol clogging your arteries... then you know you may benefit from Wasatch Medical ED treatment. If you don’t score high in any of those categories and have no heart problems... clogged arteries is likely not the culprit and Wasatch Medical ED treatment is not for you.
PS... I am not a doctor but I have spent lots of time researching and talking to my doctor so this information is kinda second hand so take it with a grain of salt, and something to look into, and not as medical advice.
Good luck
Most people who have periodontal disease have no idea they have it. I noticed a significant difference in erections after getting chlorhexadine gluconate mouthwash and subsequently getting root scaling procedure done on my teeth by a periodontist. Something to at least consider or have your dental hygienist check for.
The other big factor is poor breathing techniques, which most people suffer from these days. This includes breathing too quickly and mouth breathing.
Poor breathing makes your mouth dry and leaves your mouth vulnerable to bacteria which can cause gum disease. Poor breathing also causes high blood pressure which causes ED.
Most insurance companies cover sleep apnea machines and even pay for you to do a sleep study. I recommend doing a sleep study to see if you suffer from sleep apnea.
Whether you have ED or not, I highly recommend improving your breathing technique for a healthy longer life.
Two books that have helped me are ‘Breath’ by ‘James Nestor’ and ‘The Oxygen Advantage’ by ‘Patrick McKeown”
I think it’s something worth looking into especially if you have high or low blood pressure. Sure as hell beats side fx from pills.
Lastly what you can do is get a physical and have the doctor draw your blood to check your lipids. If you have High cholesterol clogging your arteries... then you know you may benefit from Wasatch Medical ED treatment. If you don’t score high in any of those categories and have no heart problems... clogged arteries is likely not the culprit and Wasatch Medical ED treatment is not for you.
PS... I am not a doctor but I have spent lots of time researching and talking to my doctor so this information is kinda second hand so take it with a grain of salt, and something to look into, and not as medical advice.
Good luck
Wow everyone, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with all the good feedback. I'll have to sift through it for what conditions seem to apply to me.
Thanks a ton to You All, I really appreciate it !!!!!!
Thanks a ton to You All, I really appreciate it !!!!!!
Instead of a discussion about ED causes and treatments and hormones I'd like to see more feedback about AW therapy from people who've actually had it done--that is, after all, what this thread is supposed to be about. Out of 14 responses so far, only one actually answered Arousingtimes' question. So does anyone have any first hand experience with AWT?
I vacillated about whether or not to respond to this - but finally decided I could shed additional light. I will apologize in advance for the length of this response – I am a professor, so verbose answers to simple questions is just one of the unfortunate side effects of my profession. Since this is an area that directly relates to my profession of the past 30 years, I thought I could add some insight to this subject. I am a doctor of cardiovascular-epidemiology. As a professor, I have been training MD’s for the past 20 years.
There are 3 primary mediators of ED. It is important to understand that, with regards to ED, – we rarely know whether the problem is a physiological problem (something wrong with the patient’s vasculature or circulatory system), a psychological issue (the patient is not attracted to their partner, or there are other things occupying the mind of the patient which are affecting their ability to be sexually stimulated), or a pharmacological problem (some drug or vitamin the patient is taking which is affecting their physiology). The reason that Wasatch Medical (or any other credible medical office) will not offer a guarantee is because they can only treat one of those mediators effectively.
The most common treatment for the physiological causes of ED are a combination of PRP (stem cell) injections, followed by a high frequency ultrasound application along the patient’s penis. There is very little credible science behind either of these as applied to the penis – but that does NOT mean there is NO science behind it. One could argue that Viagra and other drugs are a 'treatment' for ED - but they are actually just an infusion of vasodilators which help the vessels of the penis fill with blood leading to an erection.
The science behind the ultrasound is that the high frequency ultrasound waves break up some of the tiny plaque lesions which form on the inside wall of the circulatory . . . usually later in life. However, a large landmark study in Bogalusa, LA. Demonstrated that children as young as 5 years of age, in some cases, had atherosclerotic plaque build up.
Atherosclerosis is the disease responsible for over 70% of the heart attacks and strokes in the US. It is responsible for about 1/3 of the deaths in men EACH YEAR and about 38 – 39% of the deaths in women. Women outpace Men in both heart attacks AND strokes after age 60.
Atherosclerotic plaque is not at all unlike facial acne. It begins as inflammation on the inner (the intima and eventually the media) layers of the arterial wall. Over time that inflammation results in the formation of a puss-filled lesion. The reason most heart attacks and strokes are sudden and spontaneous is that those lesions rupture suddenly and spontaneously. When they rupture, the white puss filled material you would find in a facial acne lesion when you were a teenager . . . gets pushed up through the vasculature where is causes a blockage and your brain starves for blood and oxygen and you have a stroke. Or . . . if the blockage is to one of the vessels near the heart . . . then a heart attack. Of course, there is a cascade of other conditions which also cause blockage leading to a clinical event, but they are ALL precipitated by the rupture of an atherosclerotic plaque.
Plaque in the vessels of the penis causes scarring to the arterial wall which leads to a breakdown of vascular function. Vascular function deals with the artery’s elasticity and ability to fill with blood upon release of nitric oxide. This process is well understood.
Fixing a physiological problem for ED is straight forward.
Unfortunately – not all ED is the result of a physiological problem. If you are on blood pressure medication – that can very often result in mild ED. Other drugs and vitamins that are taken can interfere with the release of Nitric Oxide, leading to ED. The psychological affects of ED are perhaps the most common and the most difficult to fix.
At the end of the day – and without any lack of deference to the previous answers . . . like many medical issues, there are simply no ‘one size fits all’ solutions to this problem. Having said that, the ultrasound treatment combined with an infusion of stem cells (PRP) has been shown effective in limited small studies. At present, it would be impossible to completely rule out the placebo effect, but the data so far is promising and hopeful.
Sorry again for the long response – but I hope this will at least add some additional useful information to the discussion. I decided to post in the forum rather than respond directly – as I hope it will be helpful to more people. If you have specific questions, please feel free to message me. I do not treat patients – but I teach physicians to better diagnose these conditions.
Good luck – there is hope, but it may take a little more work to identify the root cause of the situation.
There are 3 primary mediators of ED. It is important to understand that, with regards to ED, – we rarely know whether the problem is a physiological problem (something wrong with the patient’s vasculature or circulatory system), a psychological issue (the patient is not attracted to their partner, or there are other things occupying the mind of the patient which are affecting their ability to be sexually stimulated), or a pharmacological problem (some drug or vitamin the patient is taking which is affecting their physiology). The reason that Wasatch Medical (or any other credible medical office) will not offer a guarantee is because they can only treat one of those mediators effectively.
The most common treatment for the physiological causes of ED are a combination of PRP (stem cell) injections, followed by a high frequency ultrasound application along the patient’s penis. There is very little credible science behind either of these as applied to the penis – but that does NOT mean there is NO science behind it. One could argue that Viagra and other drugs are a 'treatment' for ED - but they are actually just an infusion of vasodilators which help the vessels of the penis fill with blood leading to an erection.
The science behind the ultrasound is that the high frequency ultrasound waves break up some of the tiny plaque lesions which form on the inside wall of the circulatory . . . usually later in life. However, a large landmark study in Bogalusa, LA. Demonstrated that children as young as 5 years of age, in some cases, had atherosclerotic plaque build up.
Atherosclerosis is the disease responsible for over 70% of the heart attacks and strokes in the US. It is responsible for about 1/3 of the deaths in men EACH YEAR and about 38 – 39% of the deaths in women. Women outpace Men in both heart attacks AND strokes after age 60.
Atherosclerotic plaque is not at all unlike facial acne. It begins as inflammation on the inner (the intima and eventually the media) layers of the arterial wall. Over time that inflammation results in the formation of a puss-filled lesion. The reason most heart attacks and strokes are sudden and spontaneous is that those lesions rupture suddenly and spontaneously. When they rupture, the white puss filled material you would find in a facial acne lesion when you were a teenager . . . gets pushed up through the vasculature where is causes a blockage and your brain starves for blood and oxygen and you have a stroke. Or . . . if the blockage is to one of the vessels near the heart . . . then a heart attack. Of course, there is a cascade of other conditions which also cause blockage leading to a clinical event, but they are ALL precipitated by the rupture of an atherosclerotic plaque.
Plaque in the vessels of the penis causes scarring to the arterial wall which leads to a breakdown of vascular function. Vascular function deals with the artery’s elasticity and ability to fill with blood upon release of nitric oxide. This process is well understood.
Fixing a physiological problem for ED is straight forward.
Unfortunately – not all ED is the result of a physiological problem. If you are on blood pressure medication – that can very often result in mild ED. Other drugs and vitamins that are taken can interfere with the release of Nitric Oxide, leading to ED. The psychological affects of ED are perhaps the most common and the most difficult to fix.
At the end of the day – and without any lack of deference to the previous answers . . . like many medical issues, there are simply no ‘one size fits all’ solutions to this problem. Having said that, the ultrasound treatment combined with an infusion of stem cells (PRP) has been shown effective in limited small studies. At present, it would be impossible to completely rule out the placebo effect, but the data so far is promising and hopeful.
Sorry again for the long response – but I hope this will at least add some additional useful information to the discussion. I decided to post in the forum rather than respond directly – as I hope it will be helpful to more people. If you have specific questions, please feel free to message me. I do not treat patients – but I teach physicians to better diagnose these conditions.
Good luck – there is hope, but it may take a little more work to identify the root cause of the situation.
They say it works different for everybody I had it done for the wife it worked great at first gave me more girth , lasted longer and we really enjoyed it, I had already been done the road of working through low testosterone with my VA doctor and a private doctor so that was helping now its been about a year since the last treatment and don't know if id do it again I still get the girth but yet zi am back on the pills if I really am looking forward to something, on the other hand I can also be like an 28yr old and get an erection t some of the most unintended times
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:
As always your contribution was well worth the time it took to read it. So far I've no problem with erectile dysfunction. I'm almost 66 and well aware of my mortal nature. Eating more water soluble fiber, less of the wrong kinds of fats and such. Fortunately, I don't need a prescription for anything at all. Knock on wood! Would using one of these ultra sound devices over one's arms, legs, torso, maybe not too close to the heart, have any beneficial effect towards breaking up plaque accumulations, and maybe improve one's over all well being, or would there be some risk that you'd pop a zit inside your arteries and bring on a stroke or a heart attack?
Thank guys. Although I completely understand the logic of your statement above . . . I believe it would be ill-advised as I'm not aware of any studies which would document the range of outcomes. Most concerning, is that the dislodging of a plaque anywhere in the neck would almost assuredly lead to a TIA or stroke.
Fortunately, we know exactly how to treat atherosclerosis. The problem is not HOW to treat the disease but a SIGNIFICANT GAP in the diagnosis and identification of the disease by healthcare providers. Most primary care docs are using two tools as their primary assessment of heart attack and stroke risk: Cholesterol screening and Blood pressure.
Cholesterol screening is a 70 year old technology and Blood pressure is now > 120 years old. This isn't to suggest they are not worthwhile - however, that they are STILL the primary screening tools for heart attack and stroke risk is an indictment of the American Medical Community. Having said that - PM me and I can give you several different and more effective options.
Should you need treatment . . . and lets face it, most individuals > 50 DO need some form of treatment . . . that aspect is well known and well understood. Hope that helps. It should be said that going to a Cardiologist for screening is also not going to bridge the GAP. Cardiologist are surgeons . . . they are VERY good at what they do, but you have to be >70% blocked or symptomatic before they can ethically help you using the tools of their trade. The problem with that math is that approximately 86% of the heart attacks and strokes occur in people with < 70% blockage.
Screening using the latest technologies is your best bet to avoid an atherosclerotic caused event. They are 100% preventable!
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:
As always your contribution was well worth the time it took to read it. So far I've no problem with erectile dysfunction. I'm almost 66 and well aware of my mortal nature. Eating more water soluble fiber, less of the wrong kinds of fats and such. Fortunately, I don't need a prescription for anything at all. Knock on wood! Would using one of these ultra sound devices over one's arms, legs, torso, maybe not too close to the heart, have any beneficial effect towards breaking up plaque accumulations, and maybe improve one's over all well being, or would there be some risk that you'd pop a zit inside your arteries and bring on a stroke or a heart attack?
Thank guys. Although I completely understand the logic of your statement above . . . I believe it would be ill-advised as I'm not aware of any studies which would document the range of outcomes. Most concerning, is that the dislodging of a plaque anywhere in the neck would almost assuredly lead to a TIA or stroke.
Fortunately, we know exactly how to treat atherosclerosis. The problem is not HOW to treat the disease but a SIGNIFICANT GAP in the diagnosis and identification of the disease by healthcare providers. Most primary care docs are using two tools as their primary assessment of heart attack and stroke risk: Cholesterol screening and Blood pressure.
Cholesterol screening is a 70 year old technology and Blood pressure is now > 120 years old. This isn't to suggest they are not worthwhile - however, that they are STILL the primary screening tools for heart attack and stroke risk is an indictment of the American Medical Community. Having said that - PM me and I can give you several different and more effective options.
Should you need treatment . . . and lets face it, most individuals > 50 DO need some form of treatment . . . that aspect is well known and well understood. Hope that helps. It should be said that going to a Cardiologist for screening is also not going to bridge the GAP. Cardiologist are surgeons . . . they are VERY good at what they do, but you have to be >70% blocked or symptomatic before they can ethically help you using the tools of their trade. The problem with that math is that approximately 86% of the heart attacks and strokes occur in people with < 70% blockage.
Screening using the latest technologies is your best bet to avoid an atherosclerotic caused event. They are 100% preventable!
Is there any truth to the rumor that, if you sign up for weenus treatment at Wasatch Medical, Nicea DeGering will come to your house and help you try out your spiffy new hard dick?
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