I know with the Covid, people tend to meet a lot less, but maybe if people got tested regularly, it would help ? What's your take on that ?
Maybe, but probably no. I do some work that involves EMS first response. There was a time in my life that I worked as a paramedic in Maricopa County, South Phoenix, area mostly. I got exposed to all sorts of people suffering from trauma and or medical issues. My secondary immune system got schooled into efficiency. I haven't been sick, for well over two decades. I've been injured, and I have joints that ache, from wear and tear, I've been hung over from time to time, but I haven't been sick from a virus or a bacterial infection. I'm sure I've contracted a lot of viruses, and bacterial invasions, but my secondary immune system kills them before I feel sick. I am clinically recognized as strep resistant. I can shake it without antibiotics. So, I might be a likely candidate to spread the virus, without ever knowing I had it. We've been living monogamously since the pandemic was discovered. Mrs. Delicious gets sick, and she has allergies, and a secondary immune response that is doing a slow motion attack on her thyroid gland. So, I worry more about her catching it. We would think she is the canary that might signal the virus is with us, but this virus, is really unpredictable. You just don't know! We've both had exposure to people that had the virus. Me through my fun job, and her because she works in a clinic. We keep testing negative after exposure. Maybe we need to go get the test for antibodies. IF we have them, and had the virus, would we qualify to provide convalescent ejaculation therapy? There has to be some antibodies in those body fluids!
On a side note, most people, if they catch it, will be okay. Even those with preexisting conditions, statistically, are more likely to recover than to die. It is a virus that needs to be taken seriously. It is pretty much verified now, that high blood glucose levels, help to fuel the cytokine storm, where your secondary immune response goes into over drive and actually kills you. Play it safe and try and keep your blood sugar levels low. That might deny your body, part of the chemical equation required to create a cytokine storm, and give your T-cells enough time to arrest and kill the virus efficiently.
I work in nursing... I ain't scared.
DELICIOUSLY said: "Even those with preexisting conditions, statistically, are more likely to recover than to die."
What IS recovery with this virus? A negative test? Antibodies present in the blood? Lack of recognizable symptoms? We simply don't know enough, yet, about this novel virus to have very many answers. Some of those infected are STILL suffering significant symptoms months after contracting it. Some don't have symptoms but have possibly persistent inflammation and/or damage in major organs and systems. Personally, we are far more concerned about relatively longterm convalescence and/or permanent disability of some kind than we are about dying from COVID-19.
What IS recovery with this virus? A negative test? Antibodies present in the blood? Lack of recognizable symptoms? We simply don't know enough, yet, about this novel virus to have very many answers. Some of those infected are STILL suffering significant symptoms months after contracting it. Some don't have symptoms but have possibly persistent inflammation and/or damage in major organs and systems. Personally, we are far more concerned about relatively longterm convalescence and/or permanent disability of some kind than we are about dying from COVID-19.
EVILDOERS wrote:
DELICIOUSLY said: "Even those with preexisting conditions, statistically, are more likely to recover than to die."
What IS recovery with this virus? A negative test? Antibodies present in the blood? Lack of recognizable symptoms? We simply don't know enough, yet, about this novel virus to have very many answers. Some of those infected are STILL suffering significant symptoms months after contracting it. Some don't have symptoms but have possibly persistent inflammation and/or damage in major organs and systems. Personally, we are far more concerned about relatively longterm convalescence and/or permanent disability of some kind than we are about dying from COVID-19.
No argument with any of that. Statistics favor full recovery, as in most seem to be over it, when they are over it. But statistics also show a significant percentage don't. Obviously, it spreads quickly. It's not just a matter of being in the lucky group, we don't want to spread it. So, we are not rolling the dice. Hence our return to monogamy, probably until there is a vaccine. There is a difference between being scared and acting responsibly.
Over it is kind of hit and miss with all sorts of illnesses. Most people that get chicken pox get over it, end of story. Some people, decades later get shingles. We don't know enough to extrapolated long term.
There are some really good papers online speaking to COVID-related myocarditis and ground-glass opacity pulmonary lesions in a fair percentage of symptomatic COVID-19 patients as well as many other relatively unique pathologies (or if not unique, at least unanticipated in this type of infection).
As for the OP's original question, personally, I don't think frequent testing (or even positive antibody tests) would necessarily make us feel all that much safer about meeting people socially (without masks and/or relevant social distancing) or for intimate play. Ultimately, it's for everyone to decide for themselves, do their homework (No, not just YouTube videos! lol), and weigh the risks/rewards of carrying on as normal in the lifestyle. YMMV
As for the OP's original question, personally, I don't think frequent testing (or even positive antibody tests) would necessarily make us feel all that much safer about meeting people socially (without masks and/or relevant social distancing) or for intimate play. Ultimately, it's for everyone to decide for themselves, do their homework (No, not just YouTube videos! lol), and weigh the risks/rewards of carrying on as normal in the lifestyle. YMMV
I've been getting tested twice a month at work, which is good enough for us. Definitely don't blame anyone for being more cautious than we are, though! So over the damper its putting on the lifestyle (along with everything else). Hopefully there's an end in sight!!
The shits endemic in the USA. Which sucks! It’s probably going to just be here, forever, like the flu and The other corona viruses with milder symptoms. There will probably be an effective vaccine, and probably a booster shot or two available, that will reduce the risk. The flu kills quite a few people every year, and most probably, so will this virus and all it’s mutations. Mask wearing, for people in a higher risk group, may become really common place, long term. As a species, due to natural selection, we’ve become far less at risk, than we once were, to some of the illnesses that are now common place. Death is part of the natural selection process. Survivors pass along the genetics for survival. In a couple of hundred years, maybe less, from now, the future mutations of this virus may have little effect on a naturally selected human species, who mostly had ancestors who survived it. If swinging really, really catches on maybe our descendants will all be resistant to most of the STDs present today too.
EVILDOERS wrote:Well said! Do your research and do what you feel is best for you. And don’t judge or ridicule those that have a different opinion.
There are some really good papers online speaking to COVID-related myocarditis and ground-glass opacity pulmonary lesions in a fair percentage of symptomatic COVID-19 patients as well as many other relatively unique pathologies (or if not unique, at least unanticipated in this type of infection).
As for the OP's original question, personally, I don't think frequent testing (or even positive antibody tests) would necessarily make us feel all that much safer about meeting people socially (without masks and/or relevant social distancing) or for intimate play. Ultimately, it's for everyone to decide for themselves, do their homework (No, not just YouTube videos! lol), and weigh the risks/rewards of carrying on as normal in the lifestyle. YMMV
Utahldscouple wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:Well said! Do your research and do what you feel is best for you. And don’t judge or ridicule those that have a different opinion.
There are some really good papers online speaking to COVID-related myocarditis and ground-glass opacity pulmonary lesions in a fair percentage of symptomatic COVID-19 patients as well as many other relatively unique pathologies (or if not unique, at least unanticipated in this type of infection).
As for the OP's original question, personally, I don't think frequent testing (or even positive antibody tests) would necessarily make us feel all that much safer about meeting people socially (without masks and/or relevant social distancing) or for intimate play. Ultimately, it's for everyone to decide for themselves, do their homework (No, not just YouTube videos! lol), and weigh the risks/rewards of carrying on as normal in the lifestyle. YMMV
I agree. Even if everyone in the country, read all the scientific research, and all the peer reviews, and had enough background, or just enough raw intelligence to understand all the data, we would still possess a multitude of ideas, as to how much caution we choose to incorporate into our lives. Life's rewards usually have some associated risk. Swinging has a higher level of risk than some other lifestyle options. The STDs can get transmitted without sex, but it's much less likely. This damned virus is way more contagious. You can just as easily catch it singing in the church choir, sitting next to an infected person, as you might by having sex with them. You can transmit it just as easily.
So I will transition for a moment.
We attended a birthday party in June a total of 5 couples who had minimal contact with others. This was on a Sunday and we get a call wednesday that the host tested positive. He was tested for cataract surgery. We are camping with my 84 year old mother inlaw when we find out.. We finally got tested on the next Monday (what a fucking hassle). By Tuesday we find out we are negative.
We are at a riskier age but in good health but what about others we come into contact with? Lots of younger couples are ok playing with strangers. In normal times so are we. We are being cautious and think everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
We attended a birthday party in June a total of 5 couples who had minimal contact with others. This was on a Sunday and we get a call wednesday that the host tested positive. He was tested for cataract surgery. We are camping with my 84 year old mother inlaw when we find out.. We finally got tested on the next Monday (what a fucking hassle). By Tuesday we find out we are negative.
We are at a riskier age but in good health but what about others we come into contact with? Lots of younger couples are ok playing with strangers. In normal times so are we. We are being cautious and think everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
SKICOUPLE wrote:
So I will transition for a moment.
We attended a birthday party in June a total of 5 couples who had minimal contact with others. This was on a Sunday and we get a call wednesday that the host tested positive. He was tested for cataract surgery. We are camping with my 84 year old mother inlaw when we find out.. We finally got tested on the next Monday (what a fucking hassle). By Tuesday we find out we are negative.
We are at a riskier age but in good health but what about others we come into contact with? Lots of younger couples are ok playing with strangers. In normal times so are we. We are being cautious and think everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
The what about others weights heavy when you’re part of a close knit family. Family is way more important to us than swinging. We are lucky that we are great friends with our family. They are our favorite people.
It seems like a lifetime ago since we had a date with another couple. And we have completely stopped going to large gatherings, conventions and takeovers. We have been very cautious. We've even taken multiple covid tests before meeting others, which came back negative. So, we tried another approach, which was to find one couple to have a temporary exclusive FWBs relationship with (not polyamorous).This couple would also be compatible in types of fun activities and their approach to covid. A lot of couples wanted to go out with us, but no one was willing to be temporarily exclusive. We get that and understand it because making connections with multiple couples is what most of us want and it's how we normally approach the lifestyle. But these are not normal times. So, we continue our search.
I personally tend to get more prepared when i meet,we set up a date where both parties have time to get tested before meeting up. This seems to be working for me. It's true i tend to have less encounters than before. But i don't completely shut down.
PARTYINLV wrote:This is our preferred method covid to not. To have quantity versus quality.
It seems like a lifetime ago since we had a date with another couple. And we have completely stopped going to large gatherings, conventions and takeovers. We have been very cautious. We've even taken multiple covid tests before meeting others, which came back negative. So, we tried another approach, which was to find one couple to have a temporary exclusive FWBs relationship with (not polyamorous).This couple would also be compatible in types of fun activities and their approach to covid. A lot of couples wanted to go out with us, but no one was willing to be temporarily exclusive. We get that and understand it because making connections with multiple couples is what most of us want and it's how we normally approach the lifestyle. But these are not normal times. So, we continue our search.
COUPLEFORFUN4041 wrote:
OMG, stop testing, do you test for the flu every week, because people die from the flu. How about we keep everyone from dying and everyone stay at home, no more jobs everyone has a garden and eat of the land, shut down all internet and yes netflix (😢) if you want to keep safe then dig a hole, jump in and don’t come out, life is risky and things happen, its sad but We chose to live our lives even with covid.
Hum no i don't get tested for the flu i get Vaccinated, also it's not only for me that i get tested, but to ensure the safety of my surrounding.
EVILDOERS wrote:
DELICIOUSLY said: "Even those with preexisting conditions, statistically, are more likely to recover than to die."
What IS recovery with this virus? A negative test? Antibodies present in the blood? Lack of recognizable symptoms? We simply don't know enough, yet, about this novel virus to have very many answers. Some of those infected are STILL suffering significant symptoms months after contracting it. Some don't have symptoms but have possibly persistent inflammation and/or damage in major organs and systems. Personally, we are far more concerned about relatively longterm convalescence and/or permanent disability of some kind than we are about dying from COVID-19.
This is why we have been cautious. In the face of uncertainty, precautions are always mandatory.
How many couples would be interested in testing prior to meeting? Seems like a small investment for a large payoff...
mathlenoire wrote:
I know with the Covid, people tend to meet a lot less, but maybe if people got tested regularly, it would help ? What's your take on that ?
We would like that others and ourselves get tested.... if we had that confidence, we would be out playing more (we are going crazy not being able to have some fun).
We love your explanation! Convalescent ejaculatation therapy! Is that as effective as drinking Lysol? 🤣 Sadly there are people who believe (not think) that this is effective. Cheers 😁✊ Stay safe everyone. Hopefully in a year this national emergency (and the more recent pandemic) that has plagued us for the last four years will be over.
DMed you.
it's about being cautious and understanding the risks you're willing to take as a couple. I travel for work and have continued traveling due to COVID (I've been to OR, CA, MS, FL, AL). Every work trip Ive had to follow state guidelines and quarantine in my hotel room for 14 days. Even talking with a friend from UT that I hike with consistently he got sick and went to the doc and they offered him a COVID test and an antibody test and he tested negative for COVID and positive for antibodies so now who fucking knows what I contracted it or don't even have it at all. I don't know what camp I sit in. Whether the full stop hermit in your house and only go out for groceries and take out. Or take your precautions and make the adjustments due to the people around you? But I do what I can when I can. This is a serious virus but considering the UT environment is in better control (contrary to popular belief)than more populous states.
Our kids and us all got COVID-19 at the end of July. We are ready to play without any fear. We can’t get anyone sick and nobody can get us sick. Anyone jealous yet?
Better not drive your cars if you’re that worried.
FunKinkyDuo wrote:
Better not drive your cars if you’re that worried.
I knew it! We have an electric blue 2018 Rav4 that just isn't being at all careful. For all we know it already contracted the damn virus, and it's been hang out on the streets, in parking lots, and it never wears a mask. Fucker probably has chlamydial too!
Seriously, we think taking some precautions isn't a bad idea, but we see your point. We are going to go hike Glacier National Park from the 11th to the 18th, and we really aren't that worried about getting attacked by bears, but we are taking some bear repellant spray, just in case, and yes we are more likely to die in a car crash than a bear attack.
All good here. Tested and antibody tested. Both negative. Let’s party! 😁
Jetset4play wrote:
Our kids and us all got COVID-19 at the end of July. We are ready to play without any fear. We can’t get anyone sick and nobody can get us sick. Anyone jealous yet?
Congrats, I guess. Though I don't think you're necessarily 100% safe. Too many unknowns with a virus that isn't really even a year old yet. *shrug*
First Case of coronavirus reinfection in the U.S.
EVILDOERS wrote:Jetset4play wrote:
Our kids and us all got COVID-19 at the end of July. We are ready to play without any fear. We can’t get anyone sick and nobody can get us sick. Anyone jealous yet?
Congrats, I guess. Though I don't think you're necessarily 100% safe. Too many unknowns with a virus that isn't really even a year old yet. *shrug*
First Case of coronavirus reinfection in the U.S.
Agreed. Yeaa cool they got it. You can get reinfected. or it was false pos/neg due to shit tests. Until its herd immunity or phase 3 trials are complete with a vaccine thats taken a year around the world (when vaccines take 10+ years). Along with minor mutations being noticed around the world.
EVILDOERS wrote:Jetset4play wrote:
Our kids and us all got COVID-19 at the end of July. We are ready to play without any fear. We can’t get anyone sick and nobody can get us sick. Anyone jealous yet?
Congrats, I guess. Though I don't think you're necessarily 100% safe. Too many unknowns with a virus that isn't really even a year old yet. *shrug*
First Case of coronavirus reinfection in the U.S.
Agreed. Yeaa cool they got it. You can get reinfected. or it was false pos/neg due to shit tests. Until its herd immunity or phase 3 trials are complete with a vaccine thats taken a year around the world (when vaccines take 10+ years). Along with minor mutations being noticed around the world.
EVILDOERS wrote:Jetset4play wrote:
Our kids and us all got COVID-19 at the end of July. We are ready to play without any fear. We can’t get anyone sick and nobody can get us sick. Anyone jealous yet?
Congrats, I guess. Though I don't think you're necessarily 100% safe. Too many unknowns with a virus that isn't really even a year old yet. *shrug*
First Case of coronavirus reinfection in the U.S.
Agreed. Yeaa cool they got it. You can get reinfected. or it was false pos/neg due to shit tests. Until its herd immunity or phase 3 trials are complete with a vaccine thats taken a year around the world (when vaccines take 10+ years). Along with minor mutations being noticed around the world.
It’s kind of like this.
Well, the whole world is all reading the same info from the CDC, media and social media sites. The only thing that people fear is the unknown and unfortunately there is as much misinformation out there as there is fact.
I was a nurse for 11 years specifically working with the military and infectious diseases. Here’s my advice, stay in your own comfort zone for you and your family and don’t criticize others for what they decide to do unless it puts you at risk. Of coarse you always have the same know-it-alls in every social media site including this one that will push their opinions and criticisms on you and others. Do what you and your partner are happy and comfortable with and let others do the same.
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I was a nurse for 11 years specifically working with the military and infectious diseases. Here’s my advice, stay in your own comfort zone for you and your family and don’t criticize others for what they decide to do unless it puts you at risk. Of coarse you always have the same know-it-alls in every social media site including this one that will push their opinions and criticisms on you and others. Do what you and your partner are happy and comfortable with and let others do the same.
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Jetset4play wrote:
Well, the whole world is all reading the same info from the CDC, media and social media sites. The only thing that people fear is the unknown and unfortunately there is as much misinformation out there as there is fact.
I was a nurse for 11 years specifically working with the military and infectious diseases. Here’s my advice, stay in your own comfort zone for you and your family and don’t criticize others for what they decide to do unless it puts you at risk. Of coarse you always have the same know-it-alls in every social media site including this one that will push their opinions and criticisms on you and others. Do what you and your partner are happy and comfortable with and let others do the same.
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Too true. We kid around a bit, but our real opinion, is that s lot of us, do to the nature of our work, are already at a somewhat higher risk level. Knowing that, we need to avoid needlessly exposing others as much as possible. Some people will choose to increase their risk through social behaviors. That is their choice. People who fall into this category need to avoid exposing others, who didn't make that choice as much as possible. As Evil points out, there is a lot of evidence that even those who caught the virus, and had relatively mild reactions, have ended up with some negative outcomes yet to be resolved. I interface at work with a much younger, winter sports Olympic hopeful. This person caught it and had almost no symptoms. Months later this person is still experiencing some reduction in their lung capacity, that only presents during training. It's slowly getting better. It's one thing to take risk with a risk taker. We really don't have the right to knowingly pass that risk on to someone who didn't make that choice.