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Why do so many people think that they are professionals? Professional what? We do not understand what is the revelance to this for this life style. Can someone please answer this question for us ? We always thought people are people no matter what your profession is. We are just curious.

Thanks,
Tina & Ed


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<font color="#FF0000" size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">Professional</font>

<font color="#FF00FF" face="Comic Sans MS">The word is like many words used in profiles, it's meaningless. <br>
A McDonald's Manager wears a white shirt and tie. <br>
A Jet Airplane Mechanic wears coveralls. <br>
Which one is the professional?.... BOTH.</font>
I'm a professional awesome person. hahaha. :D
I think ppl often refer to themselves as professionaals if they have a job where they'd get fired for ruining the reputation of the company they work for if they get outed. As opposed to the job where suddenly you gain all the respect of the ppl you work with and suddenly your buddies from work start asking when they can have a turn with your hot sexy wife. But I could be wrong.

-SG
So...Uriah...are you an escort?
CIDDNSG...ROFLMAO! Yup! I bet that's it! At least I know that's part of what WE mean when we use it in that context. Of course, we also mean the traditional meaning of the word when used in relationship to the trades:

That you are a practitioner of a vocation that has advanced educational requirements, continuing education requirements, and a formal ethical code of conduct and standards of practice usually enforced by a board of competent peers within the same field of endeavor or regulated by government licensure...or both.

Just because some doctor, accountant, or lawyer says he is a professional does NOT mean he is talking down to anyone or is some sort of elitist. It is a perfectly valid descriptor of one's primary economic activity. People who feel threatened by such common uses of the English language are insecure.
A professional is nothing more than description. I personally view a professional as someone with a college degree, nothing more nothing less. That you are able to endure hours of boring lectures for 4 years and graduate. It doesn't mean you are smart, in fact the some of the smartest and most sucessful people I know do not have degrees. I don't think it has much place in the lifestyle unless you are interested in meeting only professionals.
Some of our best friends work in retail and construction trades. Some are "professionals." But it IS relevant to how we interract and what everyone's expectations and comfort levels are.

If we were construction workers or farmers (for example), we wouldn't give a rat's ass who knew we were swingers. But our livelihoods could and would be dramatically impacted if it became common knowledge that we are swingers. This means a few things are done differently than they would be otherwise:

1. No public face pics.
2. No public names or detailed descriptions.
3. "You show us yours...we'll show you ours" policy with locals.
4. 99.9% "no locals" play policy.
5. When we do entertain locally, it must be discreet. If we go to a public place, there is no cross-couple PDA.

If it were not for our status in the community as "professionals" being a matter of eating and living indoors for us, we wouldn' have ANY of these guidelines. We know couples who have met couples publicly who are NOT "professionals" who simply could not respect their boundaries and risked their reputations (thus livelihoods) with inappropriate behavior even after being asked not to. It freaking happens! And it is one of the gravest forms of disrespect/disregard for someone to do this. You think I'm gonna walk into the convenience store where your wife works and stick my tongue down her throat in front of her boss? NOT! And it's the same thing for us when couples disrespect our discretion boundaries. It could force us into bankruptcy.

If you have a problem with that and think we're snobs because of it, screw you! Please don't contact us. :@

Rather than say all that in a profile, we tend to just play nice and say "we're an attractive professional couple..." ;)
Not just "professional couples" have to worry about people finding out about this lifestyle but others also! I think the way some people say we are a "professional couple" makes it like they are looking down on none professianal people. We are all her to meet others for sex (at least I hope you are). What does being a professianal have to do with it? We both have a gob that makes it very hard to send out our face pics. Some people understand this and others do not. We are very carefull who and where we meet people also. My 2 cents!

R
I know ladies who are most attracted to "suits." Guys with the "corporate look." Nothing wrong with that. It's not a classist thing. It's just their sexual preference. I see the whole "we're a professional couple" as no different than if someone said "we're bikers" or "we're hippies." We see those type of statements all the time. It's just descriptive of who they are.

Now, if they said, "we are only looking for professional couples," then you might have a point. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

Like I said, we use the descriptor sometimes and we have friends and playmates from all walks of life. But our basic preference is for other white collar types, yuppies, and business owners. We just have more in common with them as a general rule...if they're not boring people. ;)
What ever turns you on! If your sexual preference is that great! That is what it is all about!
I am a professional cunnilingus and fellatio performer, does that count? :)

Ron
Who gives a flying flip whether one has a degree, is a Dr or a Lawyer or a Judge or a Politition (please note that the only part of a politition is the tit in the middle... Professional fuck up who does very little to nothing and messes up so many lives) Once we are away from our jobs or retired we are all no more or less than a man or a woman. It doesn't matter our station in life...We get nude we have sex or make love or just plain have a good time and professional means nothing. Now OTOH, if we are haveing sex for money we might be a professional. If our grass is cut and the rusty junker is in the back yard with the pigs chickens and dog we might be a professional. If we wear clean underware we might be professionals, If we have at least 28 of our original teeth we might be professionals. If we don't have tracks in our undies we might be professionals. If we think more highly of ourselves that everyone else we know... we might be professionals. If we're the high school football coach and we have a degree in phys-ed we might be a professional.. Profession is a term which becomes an oxymoron when it comes to swinging..
Here endeth the epissal(I know I know)..
We are professionals and have nothing to hide. But instead of using the word professionals why can't you just put. (Would like to have a discreet relationship). Were all looking for the same thing to meet other people for friendship and sex. Some people think using the word professionals is being snooby toward them. Remember were all people looking for the same thing out of this lifestyle.....................
That's just it Chibones: no we are NOT all looking for the same thing out of the lifestyle. People are as diverse as the imagination...and then some. And we have learned that in the lifestyle there are a myriad of things people want and don't want. No two couples are exactly the same and many are polar opposites. Some people do not want to limit the possibilities or their options. But MANY do want to limit them. Some...like yourselves...say almost nothing of substance about yourselves in their profiles. Others write auto-biographies. Some are looking for that one special couple or single. Some are looking to have sex with everything they get within arm's reach of. Some only want dark-haired ladies with large breasts. Others only want men over 50 years old and over 6' tall.

Geographical and regional cultural differences play a strong role in how people craft profiles and conduct themselves in the lifestyle. In our town, you could not be a "professional" and be open about being a swinger. You would be harassed and heavily discriminated against in business. Preachers would tell their congregations not to patronize your business from the pulpit on Sunday mornings, and most of your customers would be church-goers who do what their pastors tell them. Your kids would be tormented in school. Interestingly, if you were an entertainer or a construction worker or truck driver, nobody would care. Your life would go on without incident. This isn't Safety Harbor, FL! (we used to live in St. Pete) The big fight right now in town is over the new Hilton hotel and whether or not they should be allowed to offer PPV adult movies in the hotel rooms. Also, we have a very large element of...how show we say...under-achieving whites...in the lifestyle in this region of the country. I would be willing to wager a month's pension check that you would not associate with them. By comparison, when we look at FL swinger profiles and talk to our FL swinger friends about it, we get the distinct impression that swinging is more of a middle class and upper class past-time down there.

So, in a desire to both clue the right people in and not offend the rest, around here white collar couples tend to use the code-phrase, "We are a _________ professional couple who like to..." It's sort of a polite way of saying "No illiterate toothless hillbillies strung out on methamphetamines who cannot behave in public, please!" So, if "professional couple" offends your sensibilities, you should try walking in OUR shoes for awhile before judging us based on a phrase. Around here, a lawyer who is outed as a swinger would be in serious jeopardy of losing his bar certification. An elected official would be toast. A political appointee would be fired immediately. A real estate agent would see their business shrivel to nothing in weeks. A doctor would lose 3/4 of his patients within a month. And the funniest/saddest thing about it all is that we have one of the highest concentrations of swingers per capita in the US...3rd highest I believe.

This is why PC thinking is so unwise. We judge others based on OUR realities and not usually on THEIRS. In a desire to encourage more "tolerance," we actually become intolerant of anything WE find the least bit offensive. Personally, I celebrate everyone's right to be offensive, wrong, and dumb. That doesn't mean I agree with them or enjoy their company, either. It just means I accept people for who they are and acknowledge their right to be who they want to be. It means I hold the individual's right to self-determination and freedom of expression above almost all other values. It means I am TOLERANT.
<b><font color="#FF0000">"Interestingly, if you were an entertainer or a construction worker or truck driver, nobody would care". </font></b>

<font color="#0000FF" size="2">Let's see, so far it's construction workers, truck drivers, farmers and entertainers who can travel freely through the lifestyle, be as open as they want and nobody will give a <b>rats ass</b>.

Could you send me the <u>WHOLE LIST</u>? I'm sick to death of the <b>boring</b> "professionals" I have to converse with on a daily basis and a career change sounds good to me right now. Want fries wid dat?<br></font>
<font color="#0000FF" size="2">Toothless hillbillies need love too --> :D:D <--
I just read a profile with no use of the word professional in any positive sense. It was quite long and hopefully most of it was meant in jest but it was 75 to 85 percent negative. BTW certification on this or any other site means very little. We have been in the lifestyle for about 9 years and are or were certified on 3 sites which required a picture with the date of joining. We are also on sites where other swiingers certify each other, so long as they are paying members and are themselves certified... One site to which we belong is owned by someone who knows us from one or more of the clubs. He certified us without our knowledge. How useful is certification... Does certification make one a professional or somehow more of a swinger?....

Several things about profiles that are a big help... Pictures of both partners with a couple.. Blur the face if you think it necessary, but pics are a big help. Be succinct and be positive... negativity or nagative statements are not a help to your profile. One one site there was a profile with 200 words in it. 128 of those words were about negative things.. Be honest since people will find out if you're not. Say who you are as a couple.. We're X yrs old, he's 5000 lbs and she is not more than 350... We're not too ugly only one rotwhiler died when we brought him home... Have a sense of humor.... Say what your interests are in the lifestyle. If you're a stamp collector or a beer can collector, what does that have to do with swinging.. What you are looking for... We'd like full swap and we are into a little mild S&M. (expound on the S&M thing so people can know you're not total freaks or that you are) None of the "we're looking for people with the same interests", if you haven't stated what those interests are. We're all professionals in one fashion or another.. even if it's being a profeaaional redneck. Is that term necessary? And try to used proper grammar and spelling, it just might help since some people are looking for people who can carry on an intelligent conversation? Let's people know that you are edumacated(yes I know.. Just trying to make a small point and a little bit of humor. ;) )

The internet has opened up communications between people and at the same time has opened up miscommunications as well... So read with a deaf ear whatever you write in your profile... It will only help..
FL4FUN,

I'm just stating the socio-political realities of OUR area. It's a bizarre place. My point is that nobody really cares what working class folks do around here. But 90% of folks do seem to care what you do in your spare time if you have some sort of prominence in the community professionally speaking. I don't make the rules. I just have to live by them.

A lot of swingers are looking for people they actually share non-sexual interests with as well. I see nothing wrong with talking about hobbies, taste in recreational activities, etc. in a profile. It just puts more meat on the bones...helps you get a bit better idea of who a couple is.

As club owners, we are keenly aware of the fact that there are a LOT of different types of folks coming at the lifestyle from a LOT of different angles and hoping to find a LOT of different things. And it's all OK so long as nobody is getting hurt.

I just recalled one profile I saw from a couple out of New Port Richey, FL, I believe. They talk quite a bit about the fact that he is a professional fishing charter captain. I found their profile very interesting. It was pretty detailed, well constructed, and enticing. You see, we travel to that area about once/year on vacation and I love to fish. I figured he and I might have some things in common. Another couple talks about the fact that he is a sky-diving instructor and she is an avid sport shooter. My wife wants to jump out of an airplane BADLY and we love sport shooting. So we have set up a meeting with them as well. The more detailed a profile is, the more we appreciate them.
Well, we were just trying to say something about ourselves when we say professionals. I believe a professional requires a college post-graduate degree as opposed to a "skilled" (what do people mean by skilled? I thought people were people?!!) laborer, clock puncher, etc. I think people are just trying to describe something about themselves so other people will know something about them on whether to decide to meet.
My husband and I have a business where we go into peoples homes and help them with their finances. In this state 75% + of our clients are morman and very judgmental. As with most business, we get most of our clients threw word of mouth. That being the case, 75% would not refer their friends and family to a swinger. So if we were to say anything regarding us being professionals it would be, "we have a professional business" or maybe you could say "i have a professional career". This shouldnt affend mr and mrs employee, but if it does then dont talk to the professionals! :p

Thats my two cents!
Well my opinion is you can be a professional person and not have a professional job per say. I think it is the way you carry your self, the way you live your life. I consider myself a professional, and I dont even have a job outside of the home, but I take pride in myself, and my family and that is part of being a professional person. My husband has a job running a huge professional business, so yes we consider him a professional. He deals a lot with the public and he has to be a professional person, but there again it is all in how you carry yourself. You need to have pride in yourself whatever you do, that is what being a professional is to us.
Professionals in this environment mean nothing more to us than a cpl who cannot afford for their personal life (swinging) to come into contact with their employment. There are dozens of examples.......government, military, counselors, therapists, dentists, politcians, clergy...the list goes on and on. The need for privacy doesn't mean folks are being snobs.
"The need for privacy doesn't mean folks are being snobs." I so agree with this statement! We can not send face pics because of our jubs. We are carefull and expect others to be the same with any information we share. I have seen some that state they only want to meet people and come off as a little snobish. Thats OK for them but they should be a little more open. I know we have made very good friends and does not matter if white or blue. Maybe it is becasue we both grew up in blue and went to school and live white now. We are looking for people that are fun to be with!

Enjoy your swinging!

R & J
So now I've got it... the word "professional" is used in many ways.

(1) As a "clich
Well according to Funk & Wagnall's Edition

a profession: a skilled or learned occupation - Syn. calling, business, avocation, vocation, employment, occupation, engagement, office, situation, position, lifework, chosen work, billet, role, service, pursuit, undertaking, concern,post, berth, craft, sphere, field, specialty, walk of life

a professional: skillful, expert, learned, adept, well-qualified, acknowledged, known, licensed

trained or experienced personnel, specially trained person, see specialist.


So now I'm NO ROCKET SCIENTIST but I would have to say that if you ever held a job you can be considered as a professional. So what's the BIG DEAL

I guess that makes me a PROFESSIONAL MILITARY MAN.

Bee good.
Professions: attorney, accountant, doctor, dentist, optometrist, phys/resp/occ therapist, nurse, architect, psychologist/psychiatrist, clergy, teachers/professor, librarian, engineer, scientist, police officers, firemen, military officers, airline pilots, stock broker, insurance agent, real estate agent, etc.

Trades: ironworker, ironwright, carpenter, general contractor, mason, plumber, electrician, welder, lab tech, computer tech, software/IT programmer, network installer, roofer, heavy equipment operator, merchant mariner, mechanic, truck driver, military non-commissioned officers, etc.

Jobs: retail, customer support, telemarketing, collector, clerk, waiter/waitress, housekeeper, cabby, doorman, bellman, factory laborer, etc.

These are WIDELY held and generally agreed upon definitions in the business world. There is no sense trying to re-write the book. It just creates confusion.

And what someone does for a living is not a definitive indicator of who they are, but some generalizations can be loosely made.
Professions: attorney, accountant, doctor, dentist, optometrist, phys/resp/occ therapist, nurse, architect, psychologist/psychiatrist, clergy, teachers/professor, librarian, engineer, scientist, police officers, firemen, military officers, airline pilots, stock broker, insurance agent, real estate agent, etc.

If that is true we are PROFESSIONALS then! Any others care to chat wiht us?

Thanks!

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the problem with people calling themselves professionals is the majority cannot spell to save their own life yea i know i do not capitalize but i don; claim to be a professional 242 listed truck driver as a trade.what is he when he owns the company?is he now a professional that knows how to spell? oh and by the way we don;t want to forget baseball players even the ones that go professional right out of high school.well with that said i guess higher education is no longer required to be a pro
Considering the defintition of a professional is someone who gets paid to perform a job, anyone with employment is technically a professional.
My parents are both in the medical field with over 20 years' experience under their belts each. My mom has worked as a homicide and field investigator for the state M.E., worked in L&D bringing life into the world, harvested organs while counseling grieving families, and is currently heading the heart team at the hospital she works for while testing out new technology that puts Star Trek to shame.

My father has been the backbone of the O.R. he works at for the same length of time and now manages it all.

They both absolutely hate, *HATE* it when people demand to be called "Dr." or attempt to bring their work with them outside of the workplace setting. I feel this could be applied across the board.

Some of the nicest and most fascinating people I've ever known have been working "slum jobs" at the local Mom & Pop video store, and some of the most arrogant and vapid assholes I've met demand everyone know their current workfield and be seen as a "professional" on their liesure time.

If you're proud of your profession, great! More power to you! It shouldn't have much bearing on how you live your life unless it truly is something you could apply to everyday living.

*EDIT* I'd feel uneasy giving most people in UT a heads up on what I do (even though it's not an illustrious occupation by any stretch) simply because it's Utah. All you need is for one zealot to see you as a horrible sinner, get wind of where your income is generated from, and your life is suddenly Hell as you're let go due to activities you partake in outside of the workplace.
OK OK I can't spell!!!! Thats why I have someone that checks my work for me before it goes out. But really once you get nude in bed and playing, does one person from one type of job play any different then another? In my time in the lifestyle I (the male here) have been with a lawyer, doctor, VP of mid size company (and a custodian at the same company), stay at home mother, truck driver, a small business owner, teacher (the only problem there she made me do it again and again until I got it right), factory workers, waitress, and many others. They were all smart people that enjoyed their jobs and enjoyed having sex with others! Once we were screwing they were all VERY good! I think the big thing they were all good people, easy to talk and laugh with and all wanted to have fun. I think it more then the type of job you have it is the type of person you are. I have a Masters degree, I do not treat any one else at work any different based on their level of education or type of job they have (one of the custodians has M.S. degree finds the work less stressful!). We are a team to get the job done! Why would people be any different in the lifestyle?

Enjoy all and any one in the Columbus area looking to meet down to earth couple?

R