Has anyone wondered how humans beings would react sexually if you took out religion, programmed upbringing, and guilt? We are taught at a very young age what we should and shouldn’t like, what is right and wrong etc. If we were raised without any sexual input or influence, do you think we’d all be bi or do you think nature would still point some to just prefer the opposite sex? Especially with males and being macho no man who’s afraid of being labeled by his buddies as being queer would ever come out and openly admit he thinks about Bi-sexual play. Sex is such a physical act it seems as though religion and other things have discouraged what could possibly a very normal thing for a group of people to engage in. A free for all good time with no boundaries. We’ve never done this but I thought I’d ask the question to see what others think. I’ve done DP,’s, licked a clit while she’s getting fucked, etc. In the act though, homophonic thoughts don’t enter my mind. Just “this is fun, feels good, and she’s definitely enjoying it”. Sex is sex and labels are buzzkills. Thoughts?
Let’s hear some opinions. No one is claiming they are bi or gay, just something to think about or ponder. This lifestyle is full of a wide array of likes and fantasies so i thought it a good place to ask.
Dayna is bi,i am str8. i feel religion is not part of how we enjoy sex we just go with it, if it feels good then roll with it, bi sexually man to me is not a non macho thing or a macho thing its just how that person or cpl enjoy there play time.
we never label folks according to there sexually preference,how there are a people well that is a different story
we never label folks according to there sexually preference,how there are a people well that is a different story
Aren't "religion, programmed upbringing, and guilt" pretty much one and the same? When a normal, natural bodily function/drive is arbitrarily labeled a "sin" or some type of affront to one or more imaginary deities it absolutely shapes and influences at least the outward behavior of those who believe in those particular entities. Of course, if you read the Bible front to back and don't come away utterly confused as to WHICH specific sexual acts are and are not okay with "God" then you just skimmed and didn't really read it.
As for the fluidity of one's sexuality, the Kinsey Scale pretty much has proven that sexuality is quite fluid even if varies from one period of your life to the next. Personally, I DO think bisexuality would be more widespread and accepted if society (influenced HEAVILY by religion) didn't deem it unnatural or perverted and more or less equivalent to outright homosexuality.
As for the fluidity of one's sexuality, the Kinsey Scale pretty much has proven that sexuality is quite fluid even if varies from one period of your life to the next. Personally, I DO think bisexuality would be more widespread and accepted if society (influenced HEAVILY by religion) didn't deem it unnatural or perverted and more or less equivalent to outright homosexuality.
Evildoers, exactly. I was going to bring up the Kinsey report and his spectrum of straight to gay. And yes, I guess all of those negatives do mostly stem from religion. I brought this up because as I mentioned in the orginal post I was involved in a DVP. I was talking about experiences with a co-worker and he said you’d have to be gay to do that. I asked why. He said because you’re basically rubbing dicks. I told him we were focused on the female and it’s so different to think about something as it is to actually do it. I wasn’t even paying attention to the other man involved. I was more into her and her reactions, expressions, etc during the act. My wife and I are pretty open minded. We trust each other and are both for the most part straight. I say “for the most part” because there are times when we have been up close and personal with the same sex but it’s usually during a MFM or MFF.
Speaking of, we need to get out and play soon. We’ve been out of this lifestyle for several years. Single males and couples please hit us up if you think we’d be a “fit”. 😉
Speaking of, we need to get out and play soon. We’ve been out of this lifestyle for several years. Single males and couples please hit us up if you think we’d be a “fit”. 😉
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:
Evildoers, exactly. I was going to bring up the Kinsey report and his spectrum of straight to gay. And yes, I guess all of those negatives do mostly stem from religion. I brought this up because as I mentioned in the orginal post I was involved in a DVP. I was talking about experiences with a co-worker and he said you’d have to be gay to do that. I asked why. He said because you’re basically rubbing dicks. I told him we were focused on the female and it’s so different to think about something as it is to actually do it. I wasn’t even paying attention to the other man involved. I was more into her and her reactions, expressions, etc during the act. My wife and I are pretty open minded. We trust each other and are both for the most part straight. I say “for the most part” because there are times when we have been up close and personal with the same sex but it’s usually during a MFM or MFF.
Speaking of, we need to get out and play soon. We’ve been out of this lifestyle for several years. Single males and couples please hit us up if you think we’d be a “fit”. 😉
We are having a party this Saturday if you like to get out and relax Email or RSVP on local parties for the address, aways a good time
WARNING: DVP is a gateway drug!
Seriously though, when we started in the lifestyle I thought I was totally straight. After doing DVP and LOVING it, I started questioning. Then I started realizing that after years and years of homophobia training in our public schools I was pretty fucked up and didn't know how I really felt on the subject other than...phobic.
After doing a lot of personal work to deconstruct my own issues I was surprised to find that I actually enjoy some sexual interaction with men too. Now, when the wife and I have a threesome with a man it's more like threesomes with women. Everyone plays with everyone and its just fucking fun! Not awkward or weird like when I had all my hangups in place.
It's been awesome for us. So, I think definitely YES. Without religion and oppression and all that mind-fucking, there would be a lot more bisexual men. More guys are figuring it out though...just like women already have.
I think it's hard for guys to feel like they can explore this without judgement from their wives, friends, themselves, etc. For the longest time I felt like that too, plus my wife was really 'meh' on the topic so I just avoided it. Now it makes her crazy-horny to see me play with a guy so that makes it that even that much better.
I'm not sure if this is new for me or was always there and just hidden by all the walls I put up but it is kind of amazing to figure something like this out about yourself and get to explore it too!
Seriously though, when we started in the lifestyle I thought I was totally straight. After doing DVP and LOVING it, I started questioning. Then I started realizing that after years and years of homophobia training in our public schools I was pretty fucked up and didn't know how I really felt on the subject other than...phobic.
After doing a lot of personal work to deconstruct my own issues I was surprised to find that I actually enjoy some sexual interaction with men too. Now, when the wife and I have a threesome with a man it's more like threesomes with women. Everyone plays with everyone and its just fucking fun! Not awkward or weird like when I had all my hangups in place.
It's been awesome for us. So, I think definitely YES. Without religion and oppression and all that mind-fucking, there would be a lot more bisexual men. More guys are figuring it out though...just like women already have.
I think it's hard for guys to feel like they can explore this without judgement from their wives, friends, themselves, etc. For the longest time I felt like that too, plus my wife was really 'meh' on the topic so I just avoided it. Now it makes her crazy-horny to see me play with a guy so that makes it that even that much better.
I'm not sure if this is new for me or was always there and just hidden by all the walls I put up but it is kind of amazing to figure something like this out about yourself and get to explore it too!
If you swing you're bi by vanilla standards.
DVP and other such activities lead most to be at least situationally bi by most standards.
DVP and other such activities lead most to be at least situationally bi by most standards.
If you swing you're bi by vanilla standards.
DVP and other such activities lead most to be at least situationally bi by most standards.
DVP and other such activities lead most to be at least situationally bi by most standards.
Bi has worked well for me. But yes. Growing up in the dominant religion here did make it more difficult to figure out and come to terms with.
Great topic, Hanks for initiating it. When we started exploring over 10 years ago we both considered ourselves straight. Then Mrs. simple played with a few women and enjoyed it. We started testing the waters with MFM and ealized we enjoyed that Dynamic.
On one such occasion the guy was having trouble staying in her vaginia so I reached over and grabbed on, I gave it a few strokes attempting to help him get hard. To my surprise I found it exciting to grab another mans junk whil we were all playing. However, he did not find it ok and promptly stated I don’t go into any of them homo shit. Needless to say I felt like shit.
As time went on I had other males grab or rub my junk and I thought it felt great. For years we identified us both as bi comfortable. Slowly as the misses played with more women and enjoyed those experiences she changed her status to bi sexual. I lingered back fearful of the stigma.
One thing was for sure I wasn’t gay so I made sure to tell folks I was ok with casual touching only. Then one party we had two gay friends come over and they wanted to play with me, just me. Mrs simple encouraged the interaction and I found it exciting and fun. I no longer was threatened by sexual interaction between me and another man.
So we find ourselves now bot open about our sexuality. We both identif6 as bisexual and no longer worry what the uptime crowd thinks of us. If we’re playing with a straight couple we play straight. We are not out there trying to convert or create a following.
Simply put, we both enjoy sex in any form available so long as we both enjoy them together.
On one such occasion the guy was having trouble staying in her vaginia so I reached over and grabbed on, I gave it a few strokes attempting to help him get hard. To my surprise I found it exciting to grab another mans junk whil we were all playing. However, he did not find it ok and promptly stated I don’t go into any of them homo shit. Needless to say I felt like shit.
As time went on I had other males grab or rub my junk and I thought it felt great. For years we identified us both as bi comfortable. Slowly as the misses played with more women and enjoyed those experiences she changed her status to bi sexual. I lingered back fearful of the stigma.
One thing was for sure I wasn’t gay so I made sure to tell folks I was ok with casual touching only. Then one party we had two gay friends come over and they wanted to play with me, just me. Mrs simple encouraged the interaction and I found it exciting and fun. I no longer was threatened by sexual interaction between me and another man.
So we find ourselves now bot open about our sexuality. We both identif6 as bisexual and no longer worry what the uptime crowd thinks of us. If we’re playing with a straight couple we play straight. We are not out there trying to convert or create a following.
Simply put, we both enjoy sex in any form available so long as we both enjoy them together.
Some great replies. Thanks to those that have opened up and shared your thoughts and experiences. It’s hot hearing the stories. Maybe we can meet some of you at the next swingers event. 😁
I think Simple has is right. Sex is sex and the occasional touch is part of the over all physical experience. I don't think any of us would be in the LS unless we were trying to expand our boundaries and find new and amazing way to pleasure ourselves and those that we play with, Especially our current partners.
Society has imposed a morality code on most of us at one time or another be it through religion or laws. Lets admit it we are animals and although we may not act that way often, sex is one of the most basic animal instincts. Acting on those urges if you are a swinger means you can have sex with others and not fall into the societal guilt and jealousy others may feel. When we meet new swingers this seems to be one of the most difficult things to overcome.
We do not judge those who are bi no matter whether they are male or female. We are just not into it. She will kiss and fondle breast but its for show not enjoyment. He does mind if men touch because of proximity but he has no desire to be with another man sexually. We do not judge others who do and we have play friends where both male and female are bi and it does not scare us.
One last comment about labels. If someone is bi it does not mean they are gay or homosexual or lesbian unless they choose to be. Everyone should be able to choose their own label for their sexuality and who fucking cares what someone else says.
We do not judge those who are bi no matter whether they are male or female. We are just not into it. She will kiss and fondle breast but its for show not enjoyment. He does mind if men touch because of proximity but he has no desire to be with another man sexually. We do not judge others who do and we have play friends where both male and female are bi and it does not scare us.
One last comment about labels. If someone is bi it does not mean they are gay or homosexual or lesbian unless they choose to be. Everyone should be able to choose their own label for their sexuality and who fucking cares what someone else says.
I agree with all that has been said. And i echo those opinions. I'll never forget my introduction to the bi side. I was playing with a couple, was 69'ing with the Female and all of a sudden the male came up behind her and started fucking her. I naturally tried to get out of the way when she said "don't stop, don't stop." I love to please so no way did I stop
The experience was one of the hottest I've ever encountered. We played a lot after that and had a lot of fun!
The experience was one of the hottest I've ever encountered. We played a lot after that and had a lot of fun!
I agree with all that has been said. And i echo those opinions. I'll never forget my introduction to the bi side. I was playing with a couple, was 69'ing with the Female and all of a sudden the male came up behind her and started fucking her. I naturally tried to get out of the way when she said "don't stop, don't stop." I love to please so no way did I stop
The experience was one of the hottest I've ever encountered. We played a lot after that and had a lot of fun!
The experience was one of the hottest I've ever encountered. We played a lot after that and had a lot of fun!
This is a very fascinating forum to read. I must say the arguments make a lot of sense. I've always been inside the bible belt and raised that any sort of bisexuality is horrible and wrong. Even being open minded, I still don't consider myself as bi, but the curiosity of what it's like has always intrigued me.
We both consider ourselves primarily straight, as our default attraction is to the opposite sex, especially in romantic sense. But both of us like to play with body parts of the same sex.
Being Bi is just the extra topping to an already awesome cake! It isn't for everyone and that's ok. I just hope it becomes more acceptable and less homophobic to the men who enjoy that type of play.
Same here. Becoming part of the lifestyle made me slowly open my mind and wonder if I knew for sure I wa straight or just assumed due to society looking down on it so much with men (everyone finds 2 girls hot, even Uber-religious pastors who rave against gay marriage secretly jerk off to the lez porn on their computers). So I decided to explore it. Found out that getting fucked by another guy is actually really fun. Idk that I’d ever have a deep relationship level connection or intimacy on an emotional level with another guy, maybe so maybe not, haven’t had the chance to explore it yet. I’ve only slept with the one guy so far, but man was it fun.
Hmm.. I've never been religiously or otherwise opposed to it. I just don't find guys all that attractive. lol. Sorry guys, women are beautiful. I've had some couples that like licking their gf/wifes pussy while I've fucked them though, which inevitably involves some contact. Never had a problem with it.
I say you can't knock it till you try it, lol. I'm bi curious and my wife is straight, haven't had the opportunity but can't say I won't like it. 😀
Everyone should at least try it once or twice. You never know what you like without experimentation.
I had a partner finger my ass while giving me a blowjob and it lead to lots of personal experimentation. Now I occasionally shower with a dildo.
I'll try anything twice. Once because it's new and the second time to see if I actually enjoy it.
I had a partner finger my ass while giving me a blowjob and it lead to lots of personal experimentation. Now I occasionally shower with a dildo.
I'll try anything twice. Once because it's new and the second time to see if I actually enjoy it.
I love licking clit and enjoy sucking cock with a woman it's so fun so natural and so erotic
I get a craving for cock now and then so it's nice when I meet a couple that wants me
to please both
ummmm
interested? live in florida? contact me
also looking for a bi woman that would like to have a relationship with a man like me
I get a craving for cock now and then so it's nice when I meet a couple that wants me
to please both
ummmm
interested? live in florida? contact me
also looking for a bi woman that would like to have a relationship with a man like me
I am a staight male, i like womens hair, breast, ass, legs etc but have a bi fantasy that i am looking to fulfill with a couple. I am not attracted to the male body. With that being said i do want to suck a cock under two conditions; 1) in 69 with a woman while she is on top being fucked doggy style or 2) while the female directs the play between two guys. If your a dominate female with a bi curious husband send me a message and make this fantasy a reality.
UTHOTCPLEXTREME wrote:
Evildoers, exactly. I was going to bring up the Kinsey report and his spectrum of straight to gay. And yes, I guess all of those negatives do mostly stem from religion. I brought this up because as I mentioned in the orginal post I was involved in a DVP. I was talking about experiences with a co-worker and he said you’d have to be gay to do that. I asked why. He said because you’re basically rubbing dicks. I told him we were focused on the female and it’s so different to think about something as it is to actually do it. I wasn’t even paying attention to the other man involved. I was more into her and her reactions, expressions, etc during the act. My wife and I are pretty open minded. We trust each other and are both for the most part straight. I say “for the most part” because there are times when we have been up close and personal with the same sex but it’s usually during a MFM or MFF.
Speaking of, we need to get out and play soon. We’ve been out of this lifestyle for several years. Single males and couples please hit us up if you think we’d be a “fit”. 😉
Couldn't agree more with this! I started out completely straight, but because I really enjoy seeing the woman's reaction, I very much enjoy MFM. Finding myself in close quarters with another man, I think it probably necessary to claim bi-curious. I think situational touching like SimplePleasures described is a great example of teamwork, and while not attracted to men personally, I have found if you can let go of some of that stigma, you can really have a lot better sex! To me, it's all about giving her the time of her life, and if you need to drop some walls to get that done, so be it!
I truly believe that there is beauty in both genders. I believe pleasure and sex are based on no labels approach. May I say thank you for such open minded conversations. Thanks
If we start by considering that "straight" people abhor having sex with their own gender, and "gay" people abhor having sex with the opposite gender; then we must consider that each of these groups is reducing the possibility of finding a sexual partner by 50%. From a purely practical point of view, it seems that "bi" people, who are open to sexual partners of either gender are doubling their chances of finding a sex partner. To the straight and gay people out there, have you ever considered how you would determine the gender of your partner if you were blindfolded? Would you relax and enjoy the experience, or spend the entire time stressing about what gender was doing things to you?
Pansexuality, or omnisexuality, is the sexual, romantic or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. Pansexual people may refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are not determining factors in their romantic or sexual attraction to others. Some find attraction to another soul regardless of psychical manifestation.