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I do feel single men are judged unfairly, but there are so many out here that are not honest and as you stated over agressive that couples have to be careful. My wife loves the feeling that having 2 men can bring and we have had some great experiences, but we are are still careful. We have had bad expereinces with couples were the male is just as over agressive. So if couples are seriously planning on bringing a single male into thier relationship then follow the same guidelines you do as when you meet couples. Make sure everyone is comfortable, straight forward, considerate, and attracted. If you follow that then great fun can be had. Guys if we demand 2 women then we must be ready to bring thier fantasies true also........
I agree...If it is OK for a man to have 2 women...WHy not a gal to have 2 men?

IN our experience, single men have been selfish, unreliable, and just basically not nice...We have, HOWEVER met some true gentlemen...So we keep chatting and meeting with them...I love to watch her pleased and pleasing someone else...It is a TRUE turn-on for me...(in case you did not notice, it is the male typing here)...Anyway...As long as you present youself in yoru profile as a gentlemanm you will be treated as such....At least from us....
For us it's just that we don't have the desire I guess to do a MFM 3some or anyting that involves another guy. If it turns out to be something we want down the road we could also get that from the guy of a couple we have met and played with. The majority of single males we have met or talked to are extremely rude or just want someone to talk dirty to and seeing as how neither of us enjoy it, it's easier to just block em after we have told em once than to continue putting up with it. The way to get noticed and to be able to be invited to play with couples, in our opinion is to be a gentleman, respect both people in a couple, and just hang out. If they want you to play with them let them do the asking.


Just our .02
Single men are treated fairly here.... unless they start to become pushy, arrogant, obnoxious or down-right rude.

She really enjoys her single men, but respect goes a long way with an invite back or even a return email as does the patience knowing the world does not revolve around them or the hooking-up. People have lives, especially those with kids, and it is important the single guys realize this in their communication with other interested people.
Just because a couple does not want to have a male join is not reson to question why. In many cases the lady is bi or bi curious and the male is not and in that case for them having a single lady makes sense. You also have many single guys that will be too aggressive or will try and contact the lady aferward for one on one. In short many men do not show the respect the man and woman deserve.
I see a couple now on occasion and they now only see married males playing alone beacuse of the safety this brings. It worksfor both of us but not everyon.
All n all it is up to everyone to make the best decision for them and their lives. All of us need to respect their decision and not pass judgement.
Evryone have fun and be respectful.
Dawn really enjoys her single men for MFM 3sum's and she's very picky, plus she has certain requirements that she looks for in single men plus they need to also pass what I think of them, but respect goes a long way with an invite, as does the patience knowing the world does not revolve around them. People have lives, and it is important the single guys realize this in their communication with other interested people.

Single men are treated fairly here.... unless they start to become pushy, arrogant, obnoxious or down-right rude.


Poet & Dawn
Our first experience was with a single man...the sex that night was fantastic and he was supposed to know, and agreed, that this was a "no strings attached." Later he continually called the Mrs. and wanted her to meet him alone. He would call when Mr was not home (which you must agree is pretty scary initself). He later married a non swinging lady and continued to harass us. I finally had to threaten to tell his wife...and we never heard from him again.....Thats why we DO NOT DO SINGLE MEN!
I have never felt unwelcome here, even though as a bi single male, some would think I have 2 strikes against me. I treat everyone with respect and good humor, and have been treated the same.
Hasn't this topic been discussed to death? It seems every week this topic comes up.
Man there are some serious plagiarist in here
Yeah, This subject has been beaten like a dead horse.

It just comes down to a few simple things.

1. If single guys doesn't get invites, they feel rejected on sites like these.

2. It's couples choice. The couple have probably talked and decided what they are looking fore before posting an ad.

3. Get over it. Yes I know from personal experience that single men aren't always looked upon in this lifestyle in the brightest of light. You can thank those that don't respect the boundries of a couple for that.

I have years of experience from going to swingers club in San Diego that did allow single men. I've witnessed the pushy single male, the "voltures" circling the carion. I would always tell the ones that would listne to me what it takes to play with a couple.

1. Be respectful. Respect the couples rules and wishes.
2. Be freindly, don't go up starting with " do you want to play". Introduce yourself, and spark a conversation about something completely off topic.
3. No is no. Don't pleade, or beg if a couple says no. Accept the answer, be polite and move on.

Wow, it's just that simple to get respect from a couple, and maybe an invite to play.
Another biggy here nobody has discussed at is that the ratio of single men looking to play with couples to couples looking for single men is nearly 2 to 1. There is just more supply then demand, and then we have all the other reasons.
this is funny and theres a constant here. I agree with friendly swinger.... there are lots and lots of single guys out there and alot of them are rude, obnoxious , can't comprehend no. They think that if they are persistant that the woman will say yes. On sites like this its very ez to say no to avoid bad experiences. Sure we started with single men way back in 93, now we play with couples. Most women as pointed out are bi curious or want the exclusive single bi female ( sounds like a rare bird) .

But most of all the single guys all feel rejected casue so many folks just say no. I know we've had lots of great experiences with single men. But when you hear things like if i drive an hour or so I expect to get some come out of a single guys mouth it doesn't entice you to meet him. We've had to go an hour + just to meet a couple and turn around and come home. WE didn't get some are we being treated unfairly ???? there is an over obundance of aggressive and rude single men and it will wreck it for most. Especially if couples have a bz schedule and don't have time to weed thru all of them to get to the few diamonds. We are all beating a dead horse and the single guys need to understand that it will only get worse the more they complain. Make your profiles friendly and approachable, place pics of faces not everyone wants to see just a penis... take time to make your profile more appealing instead of whining about the whys you can't pick up married women on a site.
We have a saying...if ya want some, bring some. Single guys, your at a disadvantage. The2uvus decided to get into this lifestyle together, for both of us. Its not that were totally against single guys, just that its up to us. What do you have to bring to the table? If ya want some, bring some.

And yes, there are alot of nice single guys out there. Most people just prefer a bun with their hotdog.

Mr and Mrs2
In an earlier response someone wrote:
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*** Short & Sweet: In our opinion, we don't view single men in the swinging lifestyle as swingers - more like single men wanting to have easy sex (most of them anyway) with someone else's wife. They bring nothing to the "table" that another man "within a couple" could bring. ***
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What anyone brings to the table in the lifestlye is highly subjective; it would greatly depend on what you were looking for in the first place wouldnt it?

While we have met quite a few single men who were lying assholes, we have also met as many who were complete gentleman who earned our respect and trust.

As for having "easy" sex with someone else's wife...well, it shouldnt be all that easy should it? That is, unless we as couples are as indiscriminate as the single men are about with whom we have sexual relations.

What is the proverbial "table" anyway? What you bring to the "table" is YOU, or yourselves if you are a couple. What you have to offer can only be valued by those who would recognize and appreciate your contribution.

It isn't a swap meet. (My wife for your wife.) That is a classic misconception about who we are and what we do as lifestylers. During the "key " parties of the 70's this was the general attitude, but those days are gone. We are a much more sophisticated breed now, who have exprienced a sexual evolution unlike anything our parents could have imagined, thanks to the addition of the internet and sites like this one.

There are GAY swinging couples comprised of 2 MEN. We have no desire to date them, but we do not disagree with their right to participate....Are they swingers? Absolutely! Why not? They seek what we do for all of the same reasons. Who are we to determine their place, or value in the lifestyle?

A lot of couples take a very narrow view on this subject, which to me is very sad.
I am here to tell you that the word "swinger" is absolutely NOT synonymous with the phrase "wife swapper". That archaic, stupid phrase only hurts us as lifestylers, and is not truly representative of who we are, and what we do. "Threesome" does not ONLY imply 2 women and a man. We come in all flavors, with varying desires and fantasies to fullfill.

Many times (and we have seen this too many times to count in the last 13 years swinging) it is the MAN of the COUPLE who is too insecure to allow HIS wife to be with another man, 3some or couple! So they only date single women... or attempt to atleast. LoL. I am not saying that this is true for everyone. But I have seen it too many times to count. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Everyone makes choices, and we are all free to make them. We do not judge those who choose to only date couples. YES, there are single male assholes in the world. The fact that they are single does NOT make them a health risk. Swinging COUPLES have far more sex than ANY of the single men I know! Most of the COUPLES we know have done things in the clubs that these poor guys can only jerk off too in their dreams, with far far more regularity.

A well dressed, well mannered, MATURE, professional male who is not cheating on his spouse, looking to attempt cause trouble in someone's marriage, and wants to have a great time with an honest couple is out there. We have met scores of them! Police officers, doctors, lawyers, business professionals....you cant sell me that they are all midnight "corner store" Johns looking for a cheap sexual fix with any pussy that comes along. Geesh, guys have standards too. I have FAR MORE sex than ANY single man I know! And so do the rest of you couples! Unless ofcourse they are college kids, and then....come on! What wild and crazy college aged 22 year old man ISNT looking for pussy in bars and strip clubs? Is THAT who you would swing with anyway?

If there were as many single women swinging as single men, there would be quite a few single WOMEN assholes out there too. We live right next to The University of Maryland, so I employ some of the biggest hookers I have seen anywhere, anytime.

I say, pick through the weeds, be selective about with whom you have sex (shouldn't we anyway?), and let the chips fall where they may.

Thats what the lifestyle is all about.

Just my $1.25...

Luvbugs! (mR.) ;)
REALSEX4U! How els are single males gonna meet single females already in the lifestyle? If a coupl is willing to go FMF then one of them has to be single. Otherwise yoou are just playing with another couple. I have met a few couples here and found that some of the husbands are the assholes. One lady had her self down as a single female. We were e-mailing back and forth. Then the e-mails got ignorant. So, I sent an ignorant one back. only to find out her HUSBAND was intercepting them. If you are attracted to some them talk to them. If you get along great, if not them say sorry you are not what we're looking for. That's what swinging is. If you a couple closed to single males and open to single females then that makes you kind of a poligymist doesn't it? If you had a bad expeirence with a single male that sucks but I'm sure eventuaully you will get over it.
LuvBugs (Mr), well thought out and placed response. We see single men as swingers and/or as 1/2 of a swinging couple. As mentioned, swinging is NOT just about couples, its about a mindset, a lifestyle and a personal choice; a personal chouce they have to make for themselves, and not for each other, or together as a couple.
Thank you Badgirl
First I would like to say thanks to LOOKYLOO6943MORE for the agreement with my post.

Second. This has been beaten to death. Let's move on.

I'm done.
Just another of the poor ol me, single males whinning threads. Someone shoot that horse.
We are not anti single men, but we hate the idiotic ones. We attened parties at the local swing club and have to constantly educate them. The minute there is sexual activity they rush over, shove their face where it doesnt belong to get the close up view or we turn around to almost get a shot in the eye from their penis.
They have no people skills, they can't carry a conversation and they think everyone who is having sex wants them to get involved. They see one single guy get invited to join a couple and think every single guy is invited.
We play with people we atleast know their name. Too many don't even take the time to introduce themselves before hand, they walk up and just ask....can I touch...Or dont even ask and just touch.
Those are the single guys who have ruined it for many of the nice ones. If the nice ones would educate the idiots then all single guys would benefit. But they dont, so all single guys suffer.
I don't know that "Treated Unfairly" is a term that applies. I think that it needs to be said that swinging started as wife swapping in the 50's and brought to light in the early 60's then it became Swinging and in the 80's it blossomed into the club scene. Bi women brough single into the swinging scene and then single males saw a new avenue to sex.. Mindset??? Maybe but swinging is about couples.. when I was younger single men dated and if they got involved with swinging it was as a couple... If you go into a football game as a team don't bitch because 11 guys jumped your bones and flattened your ego and yur body.. Don't go to a gunfight with a knife.. Don't go to college ad expect to succeed if you can't read. Is it unfair not to be receptive to single men when swinging is a couples thing... OK some people like to add a single male to the mix but why are there so many on these sites... Why do many feel that they should be invited into a couples life. If the single male brought a lady into the mix then it would be fun for all parties at the dance.. No partner at the dance? What do yu expect... Swinging like a dance is a couples thing.. Mindset.. maybe but I think it's more because only one partner gets to have all the fun....Unfair is a subjective term.... I would ask is it fair to expect to be treated the same way as someone who has brought a swap mate?
"Swinging" is just a different word for "swapping" and you can't swap if you bring nothing to the table. I personally enjoy two men, but like alot of people have stated single men tend to be too aggressive and just out to have sex with other mens wives. Honestly, when I was single having a good time never required a website just a good night out at the club! lol So I am not sure what exactly the appeal is to single men to get in on the swing scene, not to mention most single men on here are great to look at so it makes me wonder what is wrong that you are seeking enjoyment on sites? Don't get me wrong, I luv ya but I am horribly curious as to the answer. :)
I Agree with alot of the comments here. Single men are treated differently however, alot of it has to do with a few that have made it bad for the rest of us. I have always been a gentleman and will always be. If it says no strings it means no strings, I am also the type that likes to make friends and have found that when you do it will keep you in the loop and you will get that "Lets Play" Phone call. It is all about respect and honesty, if you can't do that then why even try. The LADIES will respect you more and the GENTLEMEN will not have a problem with you either. So for all you single guys out there Please for the sake of those of us that are true to the life style please have respect for yourselves as well as the peole that you meet. it will male it alot easier on us all. Thanks T
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** "Swinging" is just a different word for "swapping" and you can't swap if you bring nothing to the table. **
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NOT. Swinging is absolutely NOT about simply swapping. DON JUAN was absoltely correct. The women are NOT commodities to be traded amongst the men in the clubs and at the parties, but many of you devalue yourselves by assuming that submissive role.

Swinging is about choice. Thats is why the term "lifestyle" was coined in the early 80's; it's a way of life. If a single man is not to be considered a "real" swinger, then single women should not be considered "real" swingers either. What more does a single woman have to bring to the table than a single man? Do you think that these women do not represent the same set of issues that the men do?

The clubs, the parties, the events...these activities are driven by the WOMEN who particpate. The clubs will allow single women in for next to nothing for a couple of good reasons. The first of which is obvios; without a room full of hot women dressed in almost nothing, you would have a room full of nt so hot men, all standing around waiting for the woen to arrive. It would be like a middle school dance. Or a gay club full of str8 men. The second reason is even more simple. They attract MEN who spend MONEY. Single MEN and married MEN alike. The lifestyle is financed by MEN.

MEN who are willing to pay TOP dollar for the chance to meet with couples in the club. And let's face it, the guys who can afford to go on a regular basis are really the ones (if you are interested in single men anyway) that you would want to meet with, unlike a towel shark from the local adult arcade.

MEN who accompany their wives to the club to meet with other couples for the evening. These married men often spend (on average) $200 to $300 in a single night.
WOMEN are the EYE CANDY that keeps the party going. MEN do not want to go to a party that is full of other MEN, but they want to see EYE CANDY. So they are willing to pay to do it.

Mrs. Luvbugs! is a bartender, and a good one at that. She makes more part time than most degreed professionals (including me! humph!) do working full time. Why? She is very attractive. She is outgoing. She knows her stuff. She understands that SEX SELLS, and that her clients are there to see HER as much as drink a jack and coke. I have seen men sit at her bar, stare at her all night, run up a $100 tab, and leave her $30. Thats average...do that 20 to 30 times a night and what do you get? All for the privelege of being served by HER. I wouldnt do it, even if I were single. But then, I dont have to either, so who knows? THEY constitute the LION SHARE of her business, and her livelyhood.

The lifestyle is not different. We need these guys at the clubs. We need them to pay for memberships on our websites. They too are the oil that lubes the machine.

Sorry, but thats how it is.

Luvbugs! (mR.)

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Why would single men be interested in hanging around swingers if they could just go out and date?

There is a good reason: Prosexual people have a different set of values than the usual muggles we meet out in society. Being around them feels good, especially with the openness about sexuality that swingers have.

And having a threesome is wonderful! Watching a woman be pleasured by 2 men is one of nature's best treats -- maybe even the way nature meant it to be!!!

So, it is mistaken to think single men are here only because they want to get laid. On the contrary, it's probably harder to "get laid" on a swinger's site than out in the everyday world. Swingers ARE different as people in some very charming ways, and at least I for one enjoy their company for their own sake.