I have been in the lifestyle for a lot of years. Recently though, I have noticed that a lot of single males have this thing about joining the community and are disrespectful. I have met in the past some great men, so I can say they are not all that way. But I have received plenty of emails or text messages that are just plain out of the ordinary. One person has texted me; no information, no screen name, just the word "Hi". Then when I state back that I usually ask for information.
He sends back: "You're nothing more than a complete bitch. No wonder why you're single you can't even keep up with all the damn man you give your number to one dating sites. Peace out."
I now see why there is that "block single men" button. I know all of you single men aren't like that, but I have seen too many of these emails that it makes me wonder what happened to the "Real Men" out there. I understand that a lot of people can't get laid or even people to meet up with them. Hell, if I have time to do laundry in one day I actually am proud of myself. But if this is what is going on in this site that is probably why I hear so much about people hating these sites.
When I was in my early 20s, we used to respect boundaries and put people's safety first. Now it's just "let's fuck", "come on over", and my possible favorite Ghosting someone.
I am seeing more and more of these damn swinger, poly, and hookup sites. It's no wonder some of us are single, we see how people are just in the forum or email. So I hope no one else is going through this, but yeah, I'm lying to myself on this one. There is that one bad apple that ruins it for everyone else because he can't take the idea that someone wants something more than "Hi" sent to them. Sorry I don't save all the numbers to my phone, but I do have a life and have to make a living. To my knowledge, most people don't sit by their phones hoping that someone they gave their number to will text right that second... if you do, wow.
Hope everyone has a good last of their weekend and a Happy Father's Day.
He sends back: "You're nothing more than a complete bitch. No wonder why you're single you can't even keep up with all the damn man you give your number to one dating sites. Peace out."
I now see why there is that "block single men" button. I know all of you single men aren't like that, but I have seen too many of these emails that it makes me wonder what happened to the "Real Men" out there. I understand that a lot of people can't get laid or even people to meet up with them. Hell, if I have time to do laundry in one day I actually am proud of myself. But if this is what is going on in this site that is probably why I hear so much about people hating these sites.
When I was in my early 20s, we used to respect boundaries and put people's safety first. Now it's just "let's fuck", "come on over", and my possible favorite Ghosting someone.
I am seeing more and more of these damn swinger, poly, and hookup sites. It's no wonder some of us are single, we see how people are just in the forum or email. So I hope no one else is going through this, but yeah, I'm lying to myself on this one. There is that one bad apple that ruins it for everyone else because he can't take the idea that someone wants something more than "Hi" sent to them. Sorry I don't save all the numbers to my phone, but I do have a life and have to make a living. To my knowledge, most people don't sit by their phones hoping that someone they gave their number to will text right that second... if you do, wow.
Hope everyone has a good last of their weekend and a Happy Father's Day.
Wow. Sorry to hear that this happens. But I guess that is why there are people on this site. Me, I am looking to meet new people that think like I do. I have never been into going to bars to "hook up". If there are fun people there all the better or live music! I like to meet people and see if there is a connection, with some there is and with others there just is not. And for the reasons that you go into, I do not send requests to anyone and I know that that limits who I am friends with on here. I am not from here and do not know anyone here. Again, I am just looking to meet new people that hopefully think the same way that I do.
Yeah, unfortunately most single guys don't really get it. They think swinging is basically just another way to get some free, easy, NSA sex. Ms. Evil used to enjoy the occasional hook-up with a respectful single guy. She's now to the point where she's pretty much ready to just block them all because well over 95% are just ginormous twatwaffles. And like your experience, if you express the slightest hesitation many lash out and get very nasty (and not in a good way) very quickly.
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Go Cavs! :-)
What has happened, at least mainly, is easy access at way too young an age to internet porn. I'd guess that free, no credit card or whatever needed, internet porn started getting widespread in the early 2000s. So if someone is in his 20s now, or maybe his early 30s, there's a good chance that's where he "learned" about sex. There may not be anything wrong with porn in and of itself, but there's a lot wrong with a 10 (or younger) to 15 year old learning about sex from porn. Porn isn't normal sex The mechanics of the thing may be the same, but little else is. It's a fantasy, mostly a male fantasy. Even the BDSM sex isn't like it is in the real world. There's no trust, no responsibility, not even any safe words. When people learned about sex from their friends, they knew those friends didn't know much more than they did, so the took things with a grain of salt until they found out for themselves. Now, because it's online, they think what they're seeing is how sex really works. So young men in certain age groups were "taught" that women are things, objects to be used how and when men want, and that they're always entirely submissive to the man's wants and desires. Even worse, studies are starting to show that many women in those age groups believe the same. They may not like it, but they think that's how things are.
Those young people, while perhaps still qualifying for the term "young men and women", are no longer young. They're in their 20s and 30s, and they're here online and they're at the parties and events. And as I've seen in some of our emails, as well as seen a couple times at parties, and heard from a lot of women, these guys are faithfully behaving the way they were "taught" to behave towards women by their teacher, internet porn.
There is a solution, but it'll never be done. Unless some philanthropist or the government paid to set it up, it'd cost too much with probably little or no profit potential. Bio ID is now here. Someone should create a database of the fingerprints or peole who have proven they are at least a certain age. Once the person has proven his/her age, and pays a one time fee that keeps rthe system running, the print goes into the database, with no other identifying information, just the fact that the print belongs to a person who is at least whatever age is chosen. Then, by law, each and every bit of online porn would be required to use that database to grant access to their material. While the proving your age part would be complicated, the system would work, and kids wouldn't have access to porn any time they're within reach of any nonrestricted WIFI, like they do now. ~ Terry
Those young people, while perhaps still qualifying for the term "young men and women", are no longer young. They're in their 20s and 30s, and they're here online and they're at the parties and events. And as I've seen in some of our emails, as well as seen a couple times at parties, and heard from a lot of women, these guys are faithfully behaving the way they were "taught" to behave towards women by their teacher, internet porn.
There is a solution, but it'll never be done. Unless some philanthropist or the government paid to set it up, it'd cost too much with probably little or no profit potential. Bio ID is now here. Someone should create a database of the fingerprints or peole who have proven they are at least a certain age. Once the person has proven his/her age, and pays a one time fee that keeps rthe system running, the print goes into the database, with no other identifying information, just the fact that the print belongs to a person who is at least whatever age is chosen. Then, by law, each and every bit of online porn would be required to use that database to grant access to their material. While the proving your age part would be complicated, the system would work, and kids wouldn't have access to porn any time they're within reach of any nonrestricted WIFI, like they do now. ~ Terry
Whippersnappers!
We have had really good experiences with single males except for 3. And the 3 that were assholes were flakey, so possibly married or demanding pictures before he even know who we were.
The good ones have been a great experience for all 3 of us, I think. But even then some of them act so respectful, they have to be told that it is ok to flirt and indicate an interest in the wife. But I will take that any day over the assholes.
The good ones have been a great experience for all 3 of us, I think. But even then some of them act so respectful, they have to be told that it is ok to flirt and indicate an interest in the wife. But I will take that any day over the assholes.
My granddaughter says that all boys have cooties so we try to stay away from single guys for that reason. 
We are definitely not all that way and personally I appreciate more than just Hi or Lets fuck myself. I like more info given...Hell even a "real man" likes a little seduction or at least something to let us know what kind of person it is that's messaging us. I may not get laid often, but I do believe in respect and understand that there may be many reasons why someone isn't interested. Now, I do sometimes send occasional blind friend requests due to time restraints...just wanting to let someone know that I'm interested when I really don't have time to write more, especially if it's a really good profile read and I'm hoping for more interaction later. I do apologize to anyone who has been offended etc... by one of my blind requests.
It didn't take long for #notallmen to chime in.
we have slowed down finding people from this site due to what you're talking about most singles and some couples think the same way of lets meet get drunk or something to relax the mood and just fuck, we get most of our pings on Friday. One weekend a single male came knocking, we went with the flow and once he saw my photo said I was too fat for his calling and I'm not the perfect 10 he's looking for. I love my husband for allowing me to fuck other guys but to have people degrade ya just cus ya have a few extra pounds kinda sucks.
My Husband always brings single ladies home to have sex with and he's not picky like a lot of guys on this site. So ya be very care full of the want a be's of understanding this lifestyle since some feel this is an easy way to get a free fuck with out rules testing and condoms.
My Husband always brings single ladies home to have sex with and he's not picky like a lot of guys on this site. So ya be very care full of the want a be's of understanding this lifestyle since some feel this is an easy way to get a free fuck with out rules testing and condoms.
Have to say that, we personally have very little need or desire for single men. We don't invite single guys to our parties without a date just because we kind of feel this is a couples thing, and don't want to see one person left out.
However, with the exception of a very few, most we have been around seem very respectable to us. In all honesty, we have had just as many problems with married guys acting inappropriately.
However, with the exception of a very few, most we have been around seem very respectable to us. In all honesty, we have had just as many problems with married guys acting inappropriately.
EVILDOERS wrote:
My granddaughter says that all boys have cooties so we try to stay away from single guys for that reason.
Yup, things have sure changed. When I was a kid, I heard it was the girls that had the cooties.
RENISSANCEMAN wrote:
A few years ago, I was on here with my ex as a couple. I was surprised at some of the messages to my wife. Many were rude and impolite. I was shocked at the number of messages that said "Let's Fuck". They made no effort to introduce themselves. ... I am now on here as a single man. I was completely shocked by the amount of animosity and hatred so many here have towards single man. The real tragedy is that the genuine respectful single man are pretty much marginalized here. It really is sad.
This has absolutely been my experience as well. A while back, my partner and I tried finding a single guy for her and most were cocky and arrogant. The few we had selected (8 of them!) all ended up flaking. It was unreal.
Given this experience, I am not surprised at the wholesale avoidance couples have. I just really wish there were a way for the more respectful and well-adjusted among us to gain visibility. I have been at this for years as a single guy and have had just one success story (from fetlife), which is a few years in the past now.
It's quite discouraging. I wish I had a suggestion of how to fix things.
"I just really wish there were a way for the more respectful and well-adjusted among us to gain visibility."
Actually, there IS a way. Can you guess what it is?
Actually, there IS a way. Can you guess what it is?
Ever hear of the Halo effect? Wonder how many of these rude single males are hot in real life, so they're allowed to get away with it. If you're hot, you can get away with murder and still be attractive!
EVILDOERS wrote:
"I just really wish there were a way for the more respectful and well-adjusted among us to gain visibility."
Actually, there IS a way. Can you guess what it is?
Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently moved to SLC and am still learning the lay of the land, not to mention swingular. What does this city have going on?
EVILDOERS wrote:
"I just really wish there were a way for the more respectful and well-adjusted among us to gain visibility."
Actually, there IS a way. Can you guess what it is?
Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently moved to SLC and am still learning the lay of the land, not to mention swingular. What does this city have going on?
You should probably re-look what you are seeking, if its being treated nicely and potentially great sex,talk to other SW and see where they have had success. This is a Swinger site, and limiting your potentials based on age keeps you from sometimes finding gems out there. Good luck and sorry for the dirtbags that have attacked you.
I have to say, as a single guy, Swingular has been great, if you approach people politely and are forthright. And that includes those who say 'no.' no one who has declined has ever been rude or disrespectful.
DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:
We would guess that quite a few of the block heads that most of us love to block are also sexist and perhaps a lady that is part of a couple actually gets avoided or treated better online than a single lady because they mistakenly think that with no man attached to her she is easier prey. Unicorns just keep on handing these misogynist creeps their virtual testicles back to them online.
I've had guys try to insult me w/ the reminder I joined this website in order to get laid. You know, the website they joined and messaged me through?
I did larf.
OK, Evil, what is it?
CHEFFETTE wrote:
I've had guys try to insult me w/ the reminder I joined this website in order to get laid. You know, the website they joined and messaged me through?
I did larf.
Here's a conundrum. Why do some men seem to think that if a woman enjoys sex she obviously doesn't care who the Hell she has it with? I think the appropriate answer for the "you joined to get laid" people is, "You're right, I did. But not by clueless, arrogant, trolls like you. If I ever get that desperate, I'll become a Nun." ~ Terry
Good post. All I have to say is what I've learned over the years...if you're a douchebag in "real" life, you're a douchebag on the sites. Those are the same guys who would take advantage of an extremely intoxicated girl at a party. Add in the "internet anonymity" mindset and it can get disgusting real quick. There are good guys, you just have to run the gauntlet to find them. Good luck!! 
TMACA wrote:CHEFFETTE wrote:
I've had guys try to insult me w/ the reminder I joined this website in order to get laid. You know, the website they joined and messaged me through?
I did larf.
Here's a conundrum. Why do some men seem to think that if a woman enjoys sex she obviously doesn't care who the Hell she has it with? I think the appropriate answer for the "you joined to get laid" people is, "You're right, I did. But not by clueless, arrogant, trolls like you. If I ever get that desperate, I'll become a Nun." ~ Terry
I used to send them a scathing reply but now I don't deign to reply to them; they don't deserve my attention so I block them.
TMACA wrote:
OK, Evil, what is it?
Since you asked so nicely...drum roll please...
...get a girl to join you. Yup, I said it (Oh no he di-unt!). Not only do you now "bring more to the table", so to speak, but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.
I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys?
I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree.
Sure there are some women out there that would rather french kiss whatever alien symbiotic creature might be lurking under Donald Trump's combover than swing but (with the exception of the very religious) we would postulate that many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.
Yes, that can take time... years or even decades for some couples; but those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.
Rant over. Seacrest out.
Damn, I knew there must have been a reason I got married
Actually, having been away from it for literally decades, I started our profile more for her than for me. And she's sure more "active" than I am. Yeah, I know, I'm weird.
But I think you hit the nail on the head. With the exception of hopelessly religiously indoctrinated folks, the only real obstacle to swinging (on the part of either partner) in most cases, I think, is the fear that the person who suggests it is tired of you, that it's the beginning of the end of the relationship. So yeah, mentioning swinging, say, after your 3rd date, or a month after you become a "permanent" couple, probably is a deal breaker, no matter whose idea it is. But not so much if you've gotten to the point where you're certain of each other.
Actually, having been away from it for literally decades, I started our profile more for her than for me. And she's sure more "active" than I am. Yeah, I know, I'm weird.
But I think you hit the nail on the head. With the exception of hopelessly religiously indoctrinated folks, the only real obstacle to swinging (on the part of either partner) in most cases, I think, is the fear that the person who suggests it is tired of you, that it's the beginning of the end of the relationship. So yeah, mentioning swinging, say, after your 3rd date, or a month after you become a "permanent" couple, probably is a deal breaker, no matter whose idea it is. But not so much if you've gotten to the point where you're certain of each other.
EVILDOERS wrote:Well said, Mr. Evil! To add to this, we often wonder why most single guys would be into swinging, anyway. I am far from being a Casanova, or Adonis, yet when I found myself alone and back into the single game after 30 some years, naïve as hell, one little post on a dating site brought more than a few ladies willing to just "knock boots". And yes...my profile there made it more than obvious I was not interested in a "forever" relationship. Frankly..listening to many of the single guys here...seems the chances of getting laid are better elsewhere.TMACA wrote:
OK, Evil, what is it?
Yes, that can take time... years or even decades for some couples; but those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.
Rant over. Seacrest out.
TIFFND wrote:
Well said, Mr. Evil! To add to this, we often wonder why most single guys would be into swinging, anyway. I am far from being a Casanova, or Adonis, yet when I found myself alone and back into the single game after 30 some years, naïve as hell, one little post on a dating site brought more than a few ladies willing to just "knock boots". And yes...my profile there made it more than obvious I was not interested in a "forever" relationship. Frankly..listening to many of the single guys here...seems the chances of getting laid are better elsewhere.
Y'know i can actually think of a reason. Even if most single guys on a swinger site just want to get leid, there are guys who are just as picky about who it's with as most women are. And even if most men are supposedly all about her looks, there are some who are more about attitude and worldview and stuff than they are about looks. And swingers generally have an attitude somehting like "I'm going to do what I think I ought to be doing, not what everyone thinks I'm supposed to do." Which is a VERY attractive attitude to some people, and some guys would much rather be around people with that attitude than around "normal" people. ` Terry
We too have met quite a few single males who have told us that it's much easier to get laid in the vanilla scene. If that's indeed the case I'd think that at least some of the younger single guys would prefer banging a hot young girl at a bar rather than some 45 year old milf on a swing site. Unless, of course, they get off on the fact that they're fucking a married woman. Don't discount the fairly high number of single guys who think married male swingers are pretty much all cucks and really enjoy the ego boost they get from fucking another guy's wife.
Yes, good point. You should join the local gang bang club. They meet here every other Thursday.
Holy shit, it's a gender binary stereotypepalooza up in here. Maybe if people stopped reinforcing stupid ideas more people would stop believing those ideas are right/normal/desirable and be, I don't know, happier? Not as full of useless shit?
EVILDOERS wrote:
...get a girl to join you....Not only do you now "bring more to the table", but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.
Ignoring the need to "finesse" someone and unhealthy gender stereotypes in general, this line of reasoning is a little troubling as it presumes that a male's company is inherently worth less. Or that an absence of semi-romantic relationships somehow speaks poorly of his character. I personally think approaching someone whom you aren't already fairly close with and soliciting to go to a swingers party is a bit out of line. Especially if her company is sought as an accessory to demonstrate to others that he is not, as you say, “a douchecopterâ€. Call me old-fashioned.
EVILDOERS wrote:
I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys?
Oh, I hope you are! That's a really unfortunate outlook to have. Promising relationships take time to find, let alone build to the requisite amount of trust and stability to try things like this. In the mean time, I don't see anything wrong with someone pursuing their interests while still holding out for someone worthy of their emotional investment. To me, that behavior is quite attractive should be respected! It doesn't get any better than someone who is confident, self-actualized, and motivated to pursue their desires. Sadly, it sounds their gender influences whether this is seen as a desirable trait.
I'm not sure how long you've been out of things (30 years?), but it's easy to forget the struggle when you're comfortable in a marriage. Things are more fluid. People don't feel the need to settle down like they used to.
EVILDOERS wrote:
I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree....many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.
This is just confirmation bias if the evidence comes from a sample of people you have met while swinging.
EVILDOERS wrote:
...those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.
If you're not comfortable sharing your wife with someone you might view as a potential competition, you definitely don't have to. On the other hand, there are a lot of people enjoy it
This smacks of the old “you must suffer as I did†chestnut.TIFFND wrote:
...we often wonder why most single guys would be into swinging, anyway.
Everyone has their kinks. To me, it's erotic and exciting. it's the thrill of being with someone(s) without pretense or misdirection that weighs down social etiquette. If someone has a 'swinger' mentality, their relationship status won't influence their interest in swinging. Unfortunately for men, it sounds like being in a relationship does make it easier.
I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how much the poisonous Utah mentality of, 'A single person must have something WRONG w/ them, better stay away!' has seeped into everywhere, even a LS site.
CTA313 wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
...get a girl to join you....Not only do you now "bring more to the table", but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.
Ignoring the need to "finesse" someone and unhealthy gender stereotypes in general, this line of reasoning is a little troubling as it presumes that a male's company is inherently worth less. Or that an absence of semi-romantic relationships somehow speaks poorly of his character. I personally think approaching someone whom you aren't already fairly close with and soliciting to go to a swingers party is a bit out of line. Especially if her company is sought as an accessory to demonstrate to others that he is not, as you say, “a douchecopterâ€. Call me old-fashioned.
EVILDOERS wrote:
I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys?
Oh, I hope you are! That's a really unfortunate outlook to have. Promising relationships take time to find, let alone build to the requisite amount of trust and stability to try things like this. In the mean time, I don't see anything wrong with someone pursuing their interests while still holding out for someone worthy of their emotional investment. To me, that behavior is quite attractive should be respected! It doesn't get any better than someone who is confident, self-actualized, and motivated to pursue their desires. Sadly, it sounds their gender influences whether this is seen as a desirable trait.
I'm not sure how long you've been out of things (30 years?), but it's easy to forget the struggle when you're comfortable in a marriage. Things are more fluid. People don't feel the need to settle down like they used to.
EVILDOERS wrote:
I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree....many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.
This is just confirmation bias if the evidence comes from a sample of people you have met while swinging.
EVILDOERS wrote:
...those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.
If you're not comfortable sharing your wife with someone you might view as a potential competition, you definitely don't have to. On the other hand, there are a lot of people enjoy it
Yes, I agree, "finesse" was a poor choice of words. In my defense, I was at work and rather in a hurry to make a point...that apparently I didn't make well (and my attempts to also be humorous apparently fell flat too). Rereading my post it does smack a little of mild gender bias but I can assure you that it wasn't my intent in any way and most certainly is not my outlook on women, relationships or life in general. My intent was simply to advocate approaching swinging as a mutually desirable activity that two partners desire and share equally in.
And not that it matters, but I've shared my wife with probably over a hundred men, married and single, and I've never thought of any of them as competition. But I never thought of swinging as "sharing" my wife either, but instead as her deciding to be sexual with another person and me being totally okay with her decision to do so. Sharing her, to me, almost denotes some sort of ownership or at very least some kind of permission that I would have to give. Both those ideas are not a part of our relationship. Perhaps the concept of "competition" in swinging interactions is a single male attitude? I don't know. And I didn't mean it in any way, shape, or form as a "you must suffer as I did" trope but simply as the idea that we invested a LOT of hard work and time making our marriage what it is and together deciding to risk opening it up to the excitement and also the possibility of harm that is swinging.
I think, perhaps, that sometimes single people in the lifestyle don't quite understand the very real possibility of permanent damage (or worse) to the relationship that couples who swing are flirting with. For many (most?) of us, our marriages/relationships are THE most precious thing we have.
What, if anything, are you risking? A bruised ego?
CHEFFETTE wrote:
I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how much the poisonous Utah mentality of, 'A single person must have something WRONG w/ them, better stay away!' has seeped into everywhere, even a LS site.
Again, I wrote my post poorly. What I actually meant to convey was the idea that a person demonstrating desirable traits that another person finds attractive (thus maybe they COULD find a partner to swing with) is an aspect of Cialdini's 'social proof', if you will; someone finds this person acceptable so therefore they are acceptable to me as well. It's why politicians tout their poll numbers, because some people WILL vote for them simply because they perceive that others prefer them as well. We all use unconscious short cuts like this every day in our interactions with the world.
CTA313:
Evil was just pointing out the reality of the thing. Whether it's misandrous (I might have just invented a word here), uncool, prejudiced, or even evil, itiis wat it is. Two things to consider. This all started out as "wife swapping". The times being what they wwre (late '50s - early '60s) is probably why it wasn't caled spouse swapping, but the point is that it was very much a couples thing. Add to that the fact trhat there just plain isn't as much demand for single men as there is for couples and single women. Then add that there are a fair number of sigle guys who hear about swinging and figure it' an easy way to get laid. It isn't especially, but they don't know that. Then, finally, ad in the plain fact that there are enough arrogant, conceited single men who think ny woman who swings is somehow obligated to screw any guy who asks her, withut even the slightest attemot at civility on their part, that people are always nticing it, and all together you get why single guys have a harder time.
In fact, that's what this discussion started out being about - the seemingly increasing number of single male assholes who send messages saying stuff like, "I'm xxxxx, can we fuck? Text me xxx-xxx-xxxx." And who, if the recipient even politely asks them anything, start cussing and insulting. In fact, that's the exact message we got from somweone not too long ago. We didn't bother blocking him after we (politely) explained why his apperoach wasn't perhaps the best way to go about it, and yesterday we got "I'm xxx. Text me xxx-xxx-xxxx." These guys aren't just crude and rude, they're idiots. They obviously just go through profiles and whenbever they see something the like they send their "form letter", and don't bother keeping track of who has already turned them down. ~ Terry
Evil was just pointing out the reality of the thing. Whether it's misandrous (I might have just invented a word here), uncool, prejudiced, or even evil, itiis wat it is. Two things to consider. This all started out as "wife swapping". The times being what they wwre (late '50s - early '60s) is probably why it wasn't caled spouse swapping, but the point is that it was very much a couples thing. Add to that the fact trhat there just plain isn't as much demand for single men as there is for couples and single women. Then add that there are a fair number of sigle guys who hear about swinging and figure it' an easy way to get laid. It isn't especially, but they don't know that. Then, finally, ad in the plain fact that there are enough arrogant, conceited single men who think ny woman who swings is somehow obligated to screw any guy who asks her, withut even the slightest attemot at civility on their part, that people are always nticing it, and all together you get why single guys have a harder time.
In fact, that's what this discussion started out being about - the seemingly increasing number of single male assholes who send messages saying stuff like, "I'm xxxxx, can we fuck? Text me xxx-xxx-xxxx." And who, if the recipient even politely asks them anything, start cussing and insulting. In fact, that's the exact message we got from somweone not too long ago. We didn't bother blocking him after we (politely) explained why his apperoach wasn't perhaps the best way to go about it, and yesterday we got "I'm xxx. Text me xxx-xxx-xxxx." These guys aren't just crude and rude, they're idiots. They obviously just go through profiles and whenbever they see something the like they send their "form letter", and don't bother keeping track of who has already turned them down. ~ Terry
CHEFFETTE wrote:
I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how much the poisonous Utah mentality of, 'A single person must have something WRONG w/ them, better stay away!' has seeped into everywhere, even a LS site.
It's lots of peole getting tarred by a wide brush and, unfortunately, the handle on that brush can be pretty narrow while the brush is a mile wide. I have absolutely no real data to base it on, but my guess would be that something less than 4% of the single guys on here are assholes, but they're the ones that get all the publicity. You never see anyone starting a discussion with "We met the most wonderful single guy and had all kinds of fun and now we're all great friends." It just isn't "noteworthy". But hardly a month goes by without at least someone talking about some arrogant, disrespectful, single guy who tried to hook up with them. Kind of how people are more likely to vote when they're mad abourt something than when they approve of things.
And it doesn't affect just actually single men, either. My wife and I usually "play alone" even when we go somewhere together. And when she's off with someone, I just kind of hang around, and don't approach women. I'm too damned worried about seeming aggressive or somehting, so I just hope if someone's interested, she'll start the coversation or whatever. That might result in my missing some fun times, but it keeps me from getting an unwanted reputatin as pushy or something. But id there wasn't as much bad behavior on the part of a few guys, I wouldn't even need to worry about stuff like that the way I do. And i know a couple other guys who are part of a couple who, themselves, are a lot more "timid" than they'd otherwise be on account of the view lots of people are getting about men lately. One bad apple may not really spoil the whole barrel, but it can sure make lots of people think the whole barrel is probably spoiled.
Speaking of single males, we're sick and tired of getting flaked on! If you say you're gonna show up then SHOW UP! We'll catch you someday, Double Dicked Dude!
Well I think all of you guys have a really good points about single guys I will speak myself experience everytime I text a girl or a couple yeah I told her I say hi Broly I say how are you guys doing no I did not introduce myself I probably need to do that but one thing for sure of myself is that on the front and respectful guy I never told you guys come let's fuck I think I've been really respectful with everyone and I will say I will I've been texting with some with you guys and you guys can verify and see that I'm not disrespectful I've been waiting every single person I text or I sent a friend request and read your profile and if you don't send any pictures of myself face picture because my phone doesn't let me well the point is that because other single males they're being so disrespectful with you guys is Kaden going to every single guy and some of us we are not light up probably we are little shy just like me this is my first time being in this lifestyle and I can say I meant a very good people they give me the opportunity to know them and to know me but believe me is really hard for a single guy to be here and try to make good friends I don't care if I have sex with you guys I'm not I'm just looking for good friends hang out dirt bikes go out on the road with the bikes who knows if you something happens good if not it's okay. I just speak for myself so hopefully you guys understand and I will just when I give you my penyourpersonal opinion. Hopefully everybody have a really great day and enjoy the rest of the weekend thank you
Well I think all of you guys have a really good points about single guys I will speak for myself i experience everytime I text a girl or a couple yeah I say hi or I say how are you guys doing no I didn't introduce myself I probably need to do that but one thing is for sure is that I'm respectful guy I never told you guys come let's fuck or anything like that I think I been really respectful with everyone and I been texting with some of you guys and you guys can verify and see that I'm not disrespectful, and every person I text or I sent a friend request I read your profile and if i don't send any pictures of myself face picture is because my phone doesn't let me well the point is that because other single males they're being so disrespectful with you guys is Kaden going to every single guy and some of us we are not light that probably we are little shy just like me this is my first time being in this lifestyle and I can say I meant a very good people they give me the opportunity to know them and to know me but believe me is really hard for a single guy to be here and try to make good friends I don't care if I have sex with you guys I'm not I'm just looking for good friends hang out dirt bikes go out on the road with the bikes who knows if something happens good if not it's okay. I just speak for myself so hopefully you guys understand and I will just when I give you my personal opinion. Hopefully everybody have a really great day and enjoy the rest of the weekend thank you and sorry for the writing I try my best
DRAGONSITO42 wrote:
Well I think all of you guys have a really good points about single guys I will speak for myself i experience everytime I text a girl or a couple yeah I say hi or I say how are you guys doing no I didn't introduce myself I probably need to do that but one thing is for sure is that I'm respectful guy I never told you guys come let's fuck or anything like that I think I been really respectful with everyone and I been texting with some of you guys and you guys can verify and see that I'm not disrespectful, and every person I text or I sent a friend request I read your profile and if i don't send any pictures of myself face picture is because my phone doesn't let me well the point is that because other single males they're being so disrespectful with you guys is Kaden going to every single guy and some of us we are not light that probably we are little shy just like me this is my first time being in this lifestyle and I can say I meant a very good people they give me the opportunity to know them and to know me but believe me is really hard for a single guy to be here and try to make good friends I don't care if I have sex with you guys I'm not I'm just looking for good friends hang out dirt bikes go out on the road with the bikes who knows if something happens good if not it's okay. I just speak for myself so hopefully you guys understand and I will just when I give you my personal opinion. Hopefully everybody have a really great day and enjoy the rest of the weekend thank you and sorry for the writing I try my best
Uh-oh...
Maybe I should clarify something. I think a lot of people might have gotten the idea that we're anti-single or more specifically anti-single male. Nothing could be further from the truth. We've enjoyed, for the most part, our association with single males for many many years. And although we've never sought out single women (I know, fuckin' weird, huh?), we have nothing against them either.
Our only issue with singles in the lifestyle and yes, proportionately, single men by far, is that they've entered the scene en masse and disproportionately seemed to have caused a fair amount of angst. I don't know if it's some sort of entitlement mentality or simply the desire to be treated fairly (and yes, their arguments have validity when it comes to how they are treated).
But over and above the fact that life really ISN'T fair, single guys need to realize just how many of them have entered the scene with absolutely no idea what the lifestyle is really about and indeed think that it's simply another way to get free, easy NSA sex.
The small percentage who "get it" realize that they are pretty much fighting a losing battle in that they're a relatively large group competing for a finite resource and accept and are okay that fact.
Hopefully that clarifies our viewpoint a little and possibly even makes sense...since we just got back from a kick ass happy hour and continued it at home and are a little bit sloshed, schnockered, hammered, pissed, smashed, blitzed.
Our only issue with singles in the lifestyle and yes, proportionately, single men by far, is that they've entered the scene en masse and disproportionately seemed to have caused a fair amount of angst. I don't know if it's some sort of entitlement mentality or simply the desire to be treated fairly (and yes, their arguments have validity when it comes to how they are treated).
But over and above the fact that life really ISN'T fair, single guys need to realize just how many of them have entered the scene with absolutely no idea what the lifestyle is really about and indeed think that it's simply another way to get free, easy NSA sex.
The small percentage who "get it" realize that they are pretty much fighting a losing battle in that they're a relatively large group competing for a finite resource and accept and are okay that fact.
Hopefully that clarifies our viewpoint a little and possibly even makes sense...since we just got back from a kick ass happy hour and continued it at home and are a little bit sloshed, schnockered, hammered, pissed, smashed, blitzed.
I love it...
Every couple of months, the same damned thing...
Single males ___________! and everyone jumps on the bandwagon....Well, the same ones who always do.
In the 12 or so years I've been in the lifestyle, I have seen the same accusations come from the same people here on this site, in clubs, and at parties.
What gets me, the ones who display this behavior that everyone bashes, in my experience, are the married or coupled guys, not the single guys, its as if the guys think, 'I brought my girl, so I can do whatever I want!'
When a single guy comes to a party or club, if they act foolishly, they get banned and, more often than not, booted immediately.
When a married or coupled guy does the same thing, people just accept it or he gets a stern talking to for it.
Single men are and always have been a part of the lifestyle, without them, we wouldn't have MFM, gang bangs, open marriages, etc. They pay a ton more than couples for entry to parties and clubs, fuck, most ladies don't pay anything to get in. Why? Because the guys will pay it and the ladies are a rare commodity.
As far as those who are talking about the past of swinging, that was then, this is now, get over it. We used to not have computers, cell phones, cars, etc. too, but I don't see a lot of complaining about these things. Things evolve and change, just like this lifestyle. Stop being the crotchety old man, 'Get out of my lifestyle!'
Every couple of months, the same damned thing...
Single males ___________! and everyone jumps on the bandwagon....Well, the same ones who always do.
In the 12 or so years I've been in the lifestyle, I have seen the same accusations come from the same people here on this site, in clubs, and at parties.
What gets me, the ones who display this behavior that everyone bashes, in my experience, are the married or coupled guys, not the single guys, its as if the guys think, 'I brought my girl, so I can do whatever I want!'
When a single guy comes to a party or club, if they act foolishly, they get banned and, more often than not, booted immediately.
When a married or coupled guy does the same thing, people just accept it or he gets a stern talking to for it.
Single men are and always have been a part of the lifestyle, without them, we wouldn't have MFM, gang bangs, open marriages, etc. They pay a ton more than couples for entry to parties and clubs, fuck, most ladies don't pay anything to get in. Why? Because the guys will pay it and the ladies are a rare commodity.
As far as those who are talking about the past of swinging, that was then, this is now, get over it. We used to not have computers, cell phones, cars, etc. too, but I don't see a lot of complaining about these things. Things evolve and change, just like this lifestyle. Stop being the crotchety old man, 'Get out of my lifestyle!'
CHEFFETTE wrote:
I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how much the poisonous Utah mentality of, 'A single person must have something WRONG w/ them, better stay away!' has seeped into everywhere, even a LS site.
Are people less apprehensive about single males in other states?
EVILDOERS wrote:
But over and above the fact that life really ISN'T fair, single guys need to realize just how many of them have entered the scene with absolutely no idea what the lifestyle is really about and indeed think that it's simply another way to get free, easy NSA sex.
Just write people a how to guide, and quit telling them to just get married. 90% chance most of the singe guys in here are either married and cheating or tried to get married and realized it just wasn't working, or did get married and it didn't work out. Sure therapy would probably help, but that's hella expensive for over 50% of the population. Just getting married works for some. It sure as hell doesn't for others.
I say stick to the parties the individual hook ups are wack! Its usually old ass men that think you want to just fuck them and they are super disrespectful they want you to send them pics to jack off to they have no conversation no class from now on I'm just sticking to the parties I have a blast there and I will NOT be sponsoring any single males
JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:CHEFFETTE wrote:
I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how much the poisonous Utah mentality of, 'A single person must have something WRONG w/ them, better stay away!' has seeped into everywhere, even a LS site.
Are people less apprehensive about single males in other states?
Single people in general aren't treated like pariahs anywhere else I've lived - Georgia, South Carolina, Michigan. But in Utah you'd better have a damn good reason why you're single and a plan to get 'out from under' it. Many Utahns (those raised in the Church, most likely) have a sense of entitlement that means they can openly question your apparent choices, guess at their reasons and the mistakes you've made in their opinion. And if you don't go along w/ the ideas they push you simply won't hear from them again unless they work w/ you. When it's co-workers it's the epitome of awkward.
JSTJIM72 wrote:
I love it...
Single men are and always have been a part of the lifestyle, without them, we wouldn't have MFM, gang bangs, open marriages, etc. They pay a ton more than couples for entry to parties and clubs, fuck, most ladies don't pay anything to get in. Why? Because the guys will pay it and the ladies are a rare commodity.
'Get out of my lifestyle!'
Sorry, dude, they HAVEN'T always been part of the lifestyle. It started out with married people.
And "your" lifestyle? Uh, how'd that happen? Did you buy it from someone, or did someone die and leave it to you in their will?
That having been said, I don't know how it is in Florida, but here when people complain about messages like ,"Hi, I'm so and so, let's fuck", and blank friend requests and such, it does seem that the stuff they're complaining about does come from single guys, not couples. Of course there are men in a couple who are rude, obnoxious, and all that. Particularly those who have somehow sort of roped their less than willing partner into it, all for the benefit of the man. But the reality is, based on who and what people complain about, that there are fewer of them than there are of single guys.
Yes, single guys get a raw deal. It has to do with supply and demand. They pay more for events, and the single women get in free. It's kind of like ladies' night at a bar. The gals get in free because the owner knows that the more women show up, the more men show up and buy them stuff. But with swinging it's a balance thing. Have an event where everyone pays the same and you're just about guaranteed to have a zillion single guys and only a few single women. And while some folks are into MFM, not enough are to accomodate all the single men.
And this site seems to have more people from UTah on it than from anywhere else. And yes, Utah is different. There seems to be a lot more. I dunno, pressure, maybe, to be part of a couple than exists just about anywhere else. Maybe because the Mormon church, which does not run Utah, ask them and they'll tell you they don't, seems to really encourage early marriage. I don;t kow where one would find the statistics, but I'd bet ther average age at which people get married here is younger than it is anywhere else. And some of that attitude spills over into the swinging community.
Yeah, it's a bitch, it sure ain't fair because most single guys are just ordinary nice people. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and in this case the squeaky wheel is single guys who send out ridiculous meddssages then get pisssed if some woman, or even couple, says ,"thanks, but no thanks" even in a polite way. And the grease here is the complaints people make about it. Kinda like the fact (and it is a fact) that a really small percemtage of muslims in the world, are whacky religious fanatics, but zillions of people have problems wirth anyone who's muslim now. People just natiurally put other people into groups, and tend to assume that the bad guys in the group are representative of everyone in the group. That's just how things are, and unless someone figures out how to change what seems to be basic human nature, it isn't too likely to change. It should, but I doubt it will.
And you're doing the same thing. "Get out of my lifestyle"? You're classifying anyone who complains about being insulted by some jerk as being themselves a jerk for complaining. But from what I've seen, it takes more than one or two incidents befpee someone starts bitching about it. And "the same people"? I don't think so. For example, I can't recall ever before seeing the person who started this discussion bitching aboyt it in the past.
I like to taste a couple.. to lick them and get them ready for sex.. and to enjoy tasting them while they enjoy each other..
JSTJIM72 wrote:
I love it...
Every couple of months, the same damned thing...
Single males ___________! and everyone jumps on the bandwagon....Well, the same ones who always do.
In the 12 or so years I've been in the lifestyle, I have seen the same accusations come from the same people here on this site, in clubs, and at parties.
What gets me, the ones who display this behavior that everyone bashes, in my experience, are the married or coupled guys, not the single guys, its as if the guys think, 'I brought my girl, so I can do whatever I want!'
When a single guy comes to a party or club, if they act foolishly, they get banned and, more often than not, booted immediately.
When a married or coupled guy does the same thing, people just accept it or he gets a stern talking to for it.
Single men are and always have been a part of the lifestyle, without them, we wouldn't have MFM, gang bangs, open marriages, etc. They pay a ton more than couples for entry to parties and clubs, fuck, most ladies don't pay anything to get in. Why? Because the guys will pay it and the ladies are a rare commodity.
As far as those who are talking about the past of swinging, that was then, this is now, get over it. We used to not have computers, cell phones, cars, etc. too, but I don't see a lot of complaining about these things. Things evolve and change, just like this lifestyle. Stop being the crotchety old man, 'Get out of my lifestyle!'
I don't think you DO love it. And while most of your post is dismissive garbage I have to agree that from my experience the partnered men on here often have the same shit attitudes about women that unpartnered men do; the solution can only be to smash the patriarchy.
JSTJIM72,
Calling women 'commodities' shows you are part of the problem, regardless of your relationship status. Ladies aren't rare. What is rare is ladies who will tolerate condescending and/or dehumanizing attitudes and behaviors.
Calling women 'commodities' shows you are part of the problem, regardless of your relationship status. Ladies aren't rare. What is rare is ladies who will tolerate condescending and/or dehumanizing attitudes and behaviors.
Yummy I love being single and doing a mmf with a couple... couples can't do everything for each other.. I love when I can taste them both while they have sex
it's like having brunch... breakfast (female) and lunch (male)
the best of both
it's like having brunch... breakfast (female) and lunch (male)
the best of both
CLITTYFLICKR wrote:
Yummy I love being single and doing a mmf with a couple... couples can't do everything for each other.. I love when I can taste them both while they have sex
it's like having brunch... breakfast (female) and lunch (male)
the best of both
OH MY FUCKING GOD
YES, WE KNOW
IT IS THE ONLY POINT YOU EVER MAKE
Hummm well not all couples are against single guys..In fact we find that the married guys are WAY more aggressive than most of the single dudes...If ya don't like it then don't answer them...Or does it hurt your eyes when they say something in an Email?..easy fix..delete button.... just saying.
Wow, this went over the hill and down the road. First, it started out as the concept that people need to watch their way of talking. Yes, Single men get more bad press because of certain single men on here or the dating sites. Since I posted this, I have gotten a lot of mail about this. Straight men who just say they are sorry that I had a bad time on here. Great, well thank you. Now it's people attacking people for their views of everything. I know that I can be a real bitch when I want to get my point across; and no, I usually don't sugar coat it. I tell anyone that I am bisexual it comes off as either I'm into 3 ways or a cheater. I love being with both men & women. Thus why I am on here. An open minded couple is great; single men or women... great. But I am just amazed how this went from people leaving comments to a drag out battle between single men and couples.
Here's the easy fucking solution: Think before you write. Put yourself in the idea that we are putting ourselves on a chopping block. Rejection is usually the greatest fear one single individual can have whether a couple or single. So calling some person a bitch or asshole because they ask for a rule to be followed when a person has put their head on the chopping block is not the correct response.
Couples are sharing their lives & time with you. Singles are sharing their lives & time with you. It's simple: don't flake. Be on time. Follow the rules of the individual(s). The time has changed so much since I was 19 taking my first step on the scene. Here I am about to go onto 37 & thanks to the internet it does seem worse. The instant gratification is killing this world.
Everyone, sorry that was my Soap Box moment. Hope you all have a good night & a wonderful Monday.
Here's the easy fucking solution: Think before you write. Put yourself in the idea that we are putting ourselves on a chopping block. Rejection is usually the greatest fear one single individual can have whether a couple or single. So calling some person a bitch or asshole because they ask for a rule to be followed when a person has put their head on the chopping block is not the correct response.
Couples are sharing their lives & time with you. Singles are sharing their lives & time with you. It's simple: don't flake. Be on time. Follow the rules of the individual(s). The time has changed so much since I was 19 taking my first step on the scene. Here I am about to go onto 37 & thanks to the internet it does seem worse. The instant gratification is killing this world.
Everyone, sorry that was my Soap Box moment. Hope you all have a good night & a wonderful Monday.
CLITTYFLICKR wrote:
Yummy I love being single and doing a mmf with a couple... couples can't do everything for each other.. I love when I can taste them both while they have sex
it's like having brunch... breakfast (female) and lunch (male)
the best of both
Why is this the only thing you ever post?
TMACA wrote:JSTJIM72 wrote:
I love it...
Single men are and always have been a part of the lifestyle, without them, we wouldn't have MFM, gang bangs, open marriages, etc. They pay a ton more than couples for entry to parties and clubs, fuck, most ladies don't pay anything to get in. Why? Because the guys will pay it and the ladies are a rare commodity.
'Get out of my lifestyle!'
Sorry, dude, they HAVEN'T always been part of the lifestyle. It started out with married people.
And "your" lifestyle? Uh, how'd that happen? Did you buy it from someone, or did someone die and leave it to you in their will?
That having been said, I don't know how it is in Florida, but here when people complain about messages like ,"Hi, I'm so and so, let's fuck", and blank friend requests and such, it does seem that the stuff they're complaining about does come from single guys, not couples. Of course there are men in a couple who are rude, obnoxious, and all that. Particularly those who have somehow sort of roped their less than willing partner into it, all for the benefit of the man. But the reality is, based on who and what people complain about, that there are fewer of them than there are of single guys.
Yes, single guys get a raw deal. It has to do with supply and demand. They pay more for events, and the single women get in free. It's kind of like ladies' night at a bar. The gals get in free because the owner knows that the more women show up, the more men show up and buy them stuff. But with swinging it's a balance thing. Have an event where everyone pays the same and you're just about guaranteed to have a zillion single guys and only a few single women. And while some folks are into MFM, not enough are to accomodate all the single men.
And this site seems to have more people from UTah on it than from anywhere else. And yes, Utah is different. There seems to be a lot more. I dunno, pressure, maybe, to be part of a couple than exists just about anywhere else. Maybe because the Mormon church, which does not run Utah, ask them and they'll tell you they don't, seems to really encourage early marriage. I don;t kow where one would find the statistics, but I'd bet ther average age at which people get married here is younger than it is anywhere else. And some of that attitude spills over into the swinging community.
Yeah, it's a bitch, it sure ain't fair because most single guys are just ordinary nice people. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and in this case the squeaky wheel is single guys who send out ridiculous meddssages then get pisssed if some woman, or even couple, says ,"thanks, but no thanks" even in a polite way. And the grease here is the complaints people make about it. Kinda like the fact (and it is a fact) that a really small percemtage of muslims in the world, are whacky religious fanatics, but zillions of people have problems wirth anyone who's muslim now. People just natiurally put other people into groups, and tend to assume that the bad guys in the group are representative of everyone in the group. That's just how things are, and unless someone figures out how to change what seems to be basic human nature, it isn't too likely to change. It should, but I doubt it will.
And you're doing the same thing. "Get out of my lifestyle"? You're classifying anyone who complains about being insulted by some jerk as being themselves a jerk for complaining. But from what I've seen, it takes more than one or two incidents befpee someone starts bitching about it. And "the same people"? I don't think so. For example, I can't recall ever before seeing the person who started this discussion bitching aboyt it in the past.
1.) Actually, the term swinging started with couples, however, the actual behavior started well before that. The term cuckold was used long before WWII, which is where 'swinging' came from.
2.) I didn't claim it as my lifestyle, having some reading comprehension problems? Perhaps it needs to be repeated, Stop being the crotchety old man, 'Get out of my lifestyle!' Sort of like 'Get off my lawn!'
3.) Who cares about Utah? The last I looked you have to be an adult to be here, perhaps you should act like one, perhaps you should not do what a church says and do what's right for you. It's no different than being in the south with the Baptists or in New England with the Catholics....
Calling women 'commodities' shows you are part of the problem, regardless of your relationship status. Ladies aren't rare. What is rare is ladies who will tolerate condescending and/or dehumanizing attitudes and behaviors.
Actually, they are, by definition, commodities.....Just like men are, pants are, shirts are, etc.
However, it wasn't intended to be condescending or dehumanizing, it's a reality, as evidenced by Tmaca....'They get in free because the guys will follow'
ILLUSTRATOR wrote:Well said
For the most part, I've had success meeting respectful and decent single men and couples. No one has been rude after I've turned them down. They've been mainly accepting, probably because I explain to them why I'm not interested and they seem to get it.
On the other hand, if there is anyone out there who feels entitled to every woman they contact, Stop It. Just Stop It. You are not entitled. YOU make it difficult for all men on here, including yourself.
women love single guys... they're more open minded and love to do things with a woman
more than other people...
why do I say this over and over.. because I have lived it and loved it
it's fun.
see my profile and enjoy it
ladies or couples who enjoy it don't always mention it because there are those
who this you have to be from utah to enjoy it
oh well.....
enjoy the pic
more than other people...
why do I say this over and over.. because I have lived it and loved it
it's fun.
see my profile and enjoy it
ladies or couples who enjoy it don't always mention it because there are those
who this you have to be from utah to enjoy it
oh well.....
enjoy the pic
New drinking game. Everybody has to do a shot every time CLITTYFLICKR posts about licking up some guy's jizz. I predict we'll all be drunk before dinner is over.
SHADOWHUMPER wrote:
my biggest problem is I live in small town illinois!
Not just ANY small town in Illinois. You fuckers killed Joseph Smith. He was like the ORIGINAL swinger...bangin' young unicorns, sleepin' with the wives of his buddies that he sent off on missions. He even told people that, like, an angel with a flaming sword (great homoerotic imagery btw) told him to bang chicks besides his wife His death set swinging and wife swapping back over a hundred years! Sorry, but you'll NEVER get laid in Utah, dude!
bi sex is why a couple can really enjoy a nice mmf
and the lady gets so wet from it
they actually prefer it to swapping couples...
a threesome is more fun than two two somes in the same room
and the lady gets so wet from it
they actually prefer it to swapping couples...
a threesome is more fun than two two somes in the same room
Guilt by association. A long honored American tradition.
And, btw, everybody do a shot.
And, btw, everybody do a shot.
Sarcasm...Google it.
Settle down, Skippy. It was a joke. Here's a smiley emoticon. 
Feel better now?
Feel better now?Then quit using exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
SHADOWHUMPER wrote:
sorry english student
Hmmmm, did you mean, "Sorry English student.", "Sorry, English student." or "Sorry English, student."? Very different meanings.
CLITTYFLICKR wrote:
bi sex is why a couple can really enjoy a nice mmf
and the lady gets so wet from it
they actually prefer it to swapping couples...
a threesome is more fun than two two somes in the same room
Those aren't dicks, they're bongs jutting from a fanny pack.
To be candid, we all know that regardless of whether you go by your old ORALLYBI handle or your new lady-centered one, if you're on here you're desperately trying to gobble straight guy cock b/c it turns you on. We all know this. It is all you ever bring to the table and if we knew how and where to hide that fucking table so you'd never bring your repetitive, copy/paste dribbling drivel back we would. You're like a Billy Bass no one wants to walk past b/c it can only play 10 seconds of the same fucking song. LEARN A NEW SONG, BILLY BASS