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I think that lots of people view straight women as kind of a lie. Like, all women are bi, they just don't know it yet. My wife is a fine example of this. We have this joke where a woman says "but, I'm straight!" and the reply is "so is spaghetti,til it's wet"

It's funny when it's true, but if it's not, like in your case, it can be Quite aggravating.

In this lifestyle "it's all about the women". Everybody wants a piece of the woman whether the man gets anything out of the deal or not. It's not, strictly speaking, right. Now sometimes (I'm sure people in here will agree that this is probably "most of the time") this attitude is condoned, and even welcomed. Many women do have a secret bisexual side that they're just hoping has a chance to come out. But that's not always the case. The same can be said for men (but that's a whole different story).

I guess, in the end, you just have to chalk it up to good old fashioned closed mindedness. Holding the belief that what's true for many must be true for all (then being sorely disappointed when that assumption is proven false).

They probably feel unsexy when they get "shot down". Which obviously shouldn't be the case, but, that's society. Lol.

Goodness. I better shut up. Sorry for talking so long. Peace.
Is this where I post a picture of an Egyptian river?
If I may chime in I've got a couple of comments from the single male perspective. If all things were equal I think many more single males would act like the single bi female who gets dressed and walks out. Single males are a dime a dozen so they have to be very respectful of boundaries if they want to participate. And male-on-male sex is such a taboo subject that I think there is a lot of conditioning, for lack of a better term, to not push the subject. Single females don't have to be as careful.
Female bisexuality is far more socially acceptable than male bisexuality and they are far more in demand in the lifestyle and have more options.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Yes please!! We love it, and cannot understand why everyone doesnt like it!
CHEFFETTE wrote:

Is this where I post a picture of an Egyptian river?



Hahaha. I love you so much Cheffette!!
There is such a stigma in the lifestyle about bi-men. Even to the phobic extreme. I have read on profiles "bi women welcome, but absolutely no bi men under any circumstances. You will be blocked." Are they afraid a bi man will attack them? I doubt it. I am guessing that "straight" guys are worried that if play time got intense they may be tempted to experiment. Most bi guys, myself included, are cool with typical lifestyle roles including their significant other engaging in bisexual female sex. If a guy isn't into same sex playing, why the hell would I or any other bi man want to get with them? There is no purpose. Most bi men are strictly into the same sex, sex play and usually aren't looking for same sex romance. I remember having a conversation about transsexual women with my bi piercer who said "I really enjoy playing with cocks, I am just not attracted to what they are usually attached to, so I usually date pre-op transsexuals." (That was in LA here it is more common) To me and most bi men at the beginning of bisexual awakening a pre-op transsexual woman is about as good as it gets. All the beauty of a woman, with the genitals of a man. It's a slow progression. But, you get to the point where you appreciate the beauty of both sexes. That doesn't mean if we are playing with a straight couple, I will be lusting after your package. That's just not the case. Who would go where they are no wanted? I have better things to do. As far as being worried about std's especially HIV, I would say a good majority of bi men are only orally bi. No anal sex involved. But those who do enjoy anal, condoms are a MUST. I would hope that we love our partners enough to protect them from any std's. It's not just about themselves anymore. So it all comes down to sexual fluidity. Most women are sexually fluid, while most men are black and white. Even those who aren't afraid of bisexuality tend to find a man starts out as bi, then understands that he is simply gay. So men worry about this. But some men, myself included are just more sexually fluid. I could never give up being with the love of my life "Mrs. pants". I could never forsake eating pussy. That is the very best of sex to me. So if I am with another bi guy, amd we are all playing and the chemistry is right, I may just suck a cock. So what? It makes Mrs. Pants cum like a banshee when she watches. She fantasizes about it. Much like men fantasize about two girls together. I don't think being bi is a big deal. It's just another expression of sexuality I have had the pleasure of experiencing.
I think Boiledman was onto something. "Unicorns" can pretty much have any couple they want. Most of them want to have sex with a couple to have sex with both of you. Otherwise a unicorn would just have sex with a single man. What is in it for them to have sex with a couple if the woman doesn't want to have sex with the unicorn as well? She was probably upset because she assumed that there would be girl/girl play, even if it was established that your wife is straight. ESPECIALLY since your wife took her home. With single men, as you probably know, they just want to have sex. Most of them will have sex with your wife simply because it is sex with a woman, an attractive woman. Your presence is "tolerated" because they want to have sex with your wife. They certainly aren't there for you. Most men I know don't sit around thinking "I wish I could share a girl with another guy". Married guys feel that way because they want to see the woman they love pleasured in all kinds of ways with the excitement of newness. Unicorns have all the power. If they don't get what they wanted or feel misled(not saying you misled her, I don't know, I wasn't there)they bolt. They after all can get online and say "what couple wants to have sex with me?" When she gets home and will have 100 messages in her inbox. That is just the reality of things.
POET_RAYL wrote:

Thanks Mr. Pants the main reason for this post was why do the Bi-sexual gets so pissed and get dressed and leave. Like what was stated don't have the issue with the bi-male just the bi-female And to be fair about it asking both their opinion. Since the issue stemming to this, yesterday was my B-day and wife brought home a female for me, but once the female realized Dawns don't do this.

Like what NORWENGLISH stated: [quote] I think that lots of people view straight women as kind of a lie. Like, all women are bi, they just don't know it yet. My wife is a fine example of this. We have this joke where a woman says "but, I'm straight!" and the reply is "so is spaghetti,til it's wet"
It's funny when it's true, but if it's not, like in your case, it can be Quite aggravating.[unquote]

Also like what BOILEDMAN stated: [quote] If I may chime in I've got a couple of comments from the single male perspective. If all things were equal I think many more single males would act like the single bi female who gets dressed and walks out. Single males are a dime a dozen so they have to be very respectful of boundaries if they want to participate. And male-on-male sex is such a taboo subject that I think there is a lot of conditioning, for lack of a better term, to not push the subject. Single females don't have to be as careful.
Female bisexuality is far more socially acceptable than male bisexuality and they are far more in demand in the lifestyle and have more options. [unquote]

All points have been read and We as a straight couple is getting a new understanding of Bi-sexual.
Poet



My bad. I thought you were joking about being straight after you stated that sometimes your cock "slips and goes into their mouths". I thought you were making a comment on how bi men like yourself, had to hide their sexuality. That's why I commented as I did. Now I realize that you weren't kidding. So my whole comment doesn't apply. I am amazed that something like that can happen more than some chance accident once. That's why I thought you were joking. But who knows? Maybe it's just how you two are built and your rythyms just so happen to match when a guy opens his mouth. It could happen I suppose. But there isn't anything to be ashamed of even if it's not an accident. It is what it is. Men can have just as fluid of a sexuality as women. Just like women like Dawn can have a non fluid sexuality. It's the law of averages.
All that being said, to stop mid coitus and get dressed is a little extreme. I think there are better ways to handle that. Although with something as sensitive as sex and sexuality people get rejected quickly because they are going out on a limb to begin with in their minds, so any "no thank you is magnified into "your ugly, smelly and fat, why did you think anyone would want you?". Which of course is preposterous, but that's what insecurity does to perfectly rational people some times. It's sounds like a bummer of an evening. Kudos to Dawn for trying.
How about if you drool down his cock .. and lick just a little.. which excites me and I catch your string of wetness as it mixes with his pre cum and taste it too.. then continuing on to lick it with you.. and he takes it all in.. two mouths making his cock feel soooo good you and I get his cock completely ready for you... as you slip him in you.. as you face me with your legs open.. and then you both feel my tongue as he is now in you .. ummmmm and I taste your juices on his cock now it's so sensual..

would you enjoy this? I know I would...
BIKE_CPL4FUN wrote:

if your cock is "accidentally" slipping into some guys mouth, then your BI............ hahaha to each his own, just be real.


At least one person who calls it as it is.

If it happened once.. sure maybe weird stuff can happen.. but doesn't sound like the case here cause if it was a one time occurrence why bother mentioning it? Quit worrying about the perceived social stigma and be real with people. Own what is ok with you and what you enjoy. Putting your dick in some other guys mouth is not normally considered incidental contact in a group setting btw. If you are not ready to be labelled with the term Bi at least own the curious portion of it. We could be wrong but in all the time we have explored with other couples in large and small group settings we can say something like that has never happened to any of the members participating no matter how ambitious the gentleman aiming at the female intended target has been.

Look at the physics of this even possibly happening.. even attempt to figure out the position where this would occur.. easy enough.. some dude going down on the Mrs.. who at that point has an object in her receptacle.. that would normally leave a fairly small object for the guy to be giving pleasure to orally unless he is orally pleasing more than one person.. some might call it a clit. Now the dude driving has an "accident" and misses the receptacle. Dude who is pleasuring the clit just happens to have his mouth open wide enough to accept the member that "accidentally" missed the receptacle.. Remember the one driving has a problem getting it in the receptacle he is aiming for in the first place.. Does anyone who has been in a group situation actually believe this could happen more than once in a lifetime on a freaky Friday the 13th if it was not a desired result?

Bottom line is if you enjoy it own it and be up front and honest with yourself, your partner and others you are involved with.
POET_RAYL wrote:

Well Since Poet does shop for single males to fuck me he's that rare male. Of course I get the final say. So when I shop for a single female to fuck just him that's what being looked for so I can sit back and watch like he does with me. Unicorn or not when a female understands at the get go that they're there for the male half only straight or bi she should still be very respectful of my boundaries. So it can be most aggravating that a bi-sexual female will always assume that a straight female is going to become bi-sexual because she see her man with another female.


I get the frustration Mrs. Poet. I also think she could have handled it more tactfully. But again, if she is a unicorn, why in the world would she have sex with a couple, if there is no chance of being with both of them? That's the only draw. I am playing devil's advocate here. But it hopefully will spare you both from it happening again. Perhaps she could feel connected to Mr. Poet so strongly that she is willing to have sex with you being present. But honestly, the dynamics don't make sense for a woman to agree to have sex with a man she has never met or talked to, when she could have a hundred couples vying to have sex with her that very night, just the way she wants it, by just posting "who wants to have sex with me tonight?" As you know in the lifestyle, you ladies are the ones in charge. A single man will be with a couple just to get laid. A single woman can have the most ripped, handsome single guy, or a bisexual woman and a guy, or a couple a midget and a Rastafarian all at once if she wants. It's just the plain hard facts. I would say Mr.Poet should be the one finding the girls and the guys. That way there isn't any misunderstandings. But it is just the unfair dynamic we all have to live with because of the nature of sexuality in men as opposed to women.
Wait! I missed this thread?!!? Fuck! Sooooo many questions!

1) Exactly HOW many times has this happened to you?

2) How many times has it repeated itself during the same encounter?

3) What position were you in and was the single guy reaching over to take a bite of a sammich when your dick serendipitously slipped into his mouth?

4) Did you accidentally cum in his mouth and did he quickly realize that that taste WASN'T Miracle Whip?

5) Did you quickly apologize and say "My bad, high five bro!"

6) How DEEP, exactly, into his mouth did your dick accidentally penetrate?

7) Did he gag?

8) Did you gag?

9) Did you quickly whip out the Kinsey scale and all three of you immediately pour over it meticulously or did you wait until later to do that?

A few thoughts. If this is happening with very much frequency you really might want to do an in depth (no pun intended) assessment of your technique and/or choice of positions. Sadly some positions of the Kama Sutra do not lend themselves easily to the harsh realities of MFM threesomes.
Another thought is to severely restrain the single guy who keeps getting accidentally 'bi-sexualed' so he can't just get up and rudely leave. I've seen gimp masks that ONLY allow the restrained individual's tongue to protrude slightly so that there is no chance for accidental oral penetration...just a little dick to tongue action. And last, as many people have suggested, relax, don't let it stress you out, if it keeps happening (who knows, it might, I know a guy who hit the lottery...not the big one, twice!) you could have some really nice apology cards printed up to send to the guys who accidentally sampled your man meat. Nothing begs forgiveness like a nice, custom embossed apology card.
Well look at the bright side. Women find you irresistible! That has to be a little ego boost right? That only happens to me with the midgets and the Rastafarians. Btw, the lifestyle is the only place male midgets don't want to be called "little people". Just a bit of trivia to throw out at your next party
so much fun.. when a woman gets so turned on by it
ORALLYBI4CPL wrote:

so much fun.. when a woman gets so turned on by it


That picture poses more questions than it answers. What kind of bed comes w/ a coffee table attached to the side? Someone's going to hurt themselves on that thing.
Why are you staring at a coffee table and not at those dicks? And I think it's nice of that one man to give that other man a free testosterone injection...by force, apparently.
He looks handcuffed or otherwise restrained. That lady should go help him or maybe call 911.


And I can tell they BOTH are in dire need of testosterone by their utter lack of body hair.
CHEFFETTE wrote:

ORALLYBI4CPL wrote:

so much fun.. when a woman gets so turned on by it


That picture poses more questions than it answers. What kind of bed comes w/ a coffee table attached to the side? Someone's going to hurt themselves on that thing.


There's a coffee table in the picture?
I'd like to think that the "what are your rules?" Conversation beforehand would help things not hit a frustrating juncture. As a single Bi-F, I have always appreciated being asked that--- but hope that the couple in turn are comfortable giving their do's and dont's. I know that often, especially at meet n greets, people are just riding the wave of tipsy/sexy... But part of the reason I appreciate sobriety is that a better conversation about boundaries can take place.
CHEFFETTE wrote:

ORALLYBI4CPL wrote:

so much fun.. when a woman gets so turned on by it


That picture poses more questions than it answers. What kind of bed comes w/ a coffee table attached to the side? Someone's going to hurt themselves on that thing.
We used to have that bed LMAO! It has pads all around it and you can have a lot of people on it and do quite a bit of things/positions on it!
I agree as stated above be clear about boundaries and don't blur them. Where is the female half of your couple located poet? Is she in bed with you, touching or participating? Is she touching the single female? That may lead to confusion on boundaries. I'm bi-comfortable. I don't tend to seek out another female alone (it's been known to happen with select women) but absolutely enjoy playing with both halves of a couple. I can imagine this situation happening, not being handled well and the single leaving. I personally wouldn't stalk out but if I mis-read a signal or wasn't clear on her boundaries and the situation wasn't handled well, I sure wouldn't be interested in playing with you anymore.

PS: I tend to play more as a single female (hall pass) than I do with my hubby, so I'm thinking of it from that perspective.
there are so many things you can enjoy with a couple that likes a man to be bi
POET_RAYL wrote:

ERASEDPANTS
This isn't the 1st time it has happened, but it is the 1st time been in a big enough community that We could get few honest responses. Along with the SA ones and the ones where they only read the first couple of words. An your right its more common for a man to watch his female getting screwed by another guy, than the female wanting to just sit and watch another female screw her man.
It would be great if it was that easy for poet to find the female, but as you said: "A single woman can have the most ripped, handsome single guy, or a bisexual woman and a guy, or a couple a midget and a Rastafarian all at once if she wants."
So for Poet to go hunting it's almost impossible. Normally we do the couple hunt for us, single males for me, and if we are lucky the single female for Poet. A lot of the time Poet helps our married couples with DVP. So it can be most aggravating that a females states shes straight, but when the sex starts she's really wanting the bi-sexual part to happen. An when it doesn't she gets up gets dressed and leaves.
I think that's what Poet was attempting to get across when he started this thread.


I am not sure what you mean by "DVP" but I am guessing it is "Dixie Ventrloqism Pussy". Or making your pussy or your partner's pussy talk with a southern accent. We saw it at adult expo a while back and didn't know we had those schooled in the ventriloquist arts here in SLc! That must be a blast. Although Mrs. pants might try AVP or "Austrailian Ventriloquism Pussy". We were big fans of "Puppetry of the penis" so I think making her sound Aussie would be more meaningful. But that's just an "us" thing. The best thing about it is I can ask her questions that only her pussy knows the answer to. So that helps our communication. It's a win for comedy and for our relationship. When she is on her period we are either going to pretend the tampon is a lit cigarette and that she' an Aussie beat nick or that she is an Aussie vampire that has come to talk after her first kill of the night. But I am sure you guys like to have fun with it as well!
ORALLYBI4CPL wrote:

there are so many things you can enjoy with a couple that likes a man to be bi


Sure, ORALLYBI, it's all fun and games until the guy "slips" and it "accidentally" goes deep in your ass.
What's wrong with it going deep in your ass?
Uh, it's an 'exit only'...that's what's wrong with it.

Maybe YOUR ass...
BADDAVE wrote:

What's wrong with it going deep in your ass?


The accidentally part, if one's not prepared for that eventuality.
Announcement! Ms Evil and I think that the United States should immediately unilaterally suspend any and all swinging activities until we can figure out what the hell is going on! I mean with all this supposedly "accidental" penetration of various orifices and stuff. And we should also have a database of swingers, track their movements and have surveillance against where they meet (swing clubs, happy hour meet 'n greets, hoochie koochie bars). Until we take these steps American swingers just aren't safe. Oh, and no more male swinger 'open carry'. It's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out by some careless horny dude wielding a high capacity assault pocket Scud. Please go to We the People on the White House petition site and sign our petition to make American swinging great again!


It's also been rumored that some young swingers are being radicalized and are planning to meet clandestinely for who knows WHAT! This has to STOP! Please vote for the return of traditional swinging values (key parties, gold chains, and lots and lots of chest and pubic hair). It's time to TAKE BACK our swing scene!
I hear Mexico has an "open carry".
Policia! Duh, he's a cop! All cops can open carry, especially their "nightsticks".

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POET_RAYL wrote:

I've left this up for you evil for your pleasure if you're done since we got the answers we needed long time ago


Why thank you, POET. Mighty merciful of you. Didn't realize you had the power to delete an entire thread. Remember, with omnipotence comes great responsibility...or not.
POET_RAYL wrote:

I've done it in the past to a lot of others I've started, but since your having so much fun with it i'll leave a few days longer.


Sweet! Again, thank you from the bottom of my....





But now I'm curious. Why delete it? Is it taking up too much space on the Swingular server? Do you not want people to see what you've written or the responses (you know, leave a little mystery for when people actually meet you)? Is it so they don't violate any copyright laws and steal your intellectual property? Or is it simply artistic license?
Jeezus! I'm prolly personally responsible for about 90% of the lag on the interwebz!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/3d/3df1731531b48290322bea1aad4cbc9dcc3d8d47f6510d7dde8825ab8844d740.jpg
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EVILDOERS wrote:

POET_RAYL wrote:

I've done it in the past to a lot of others I've started, but since your having so much fun with it i'll leave a few days longer.


Sweet! Again, thank you from the bottom of my....





But now I'm curious. Why delete it? Is it taking up too much space on the Swingular server? Do you not want people to see what you've written or the responses (you know, leave a little mystery for when people actually meet you)? Is it so they don't violate any copyright laws and steal your intellectual property? Or is it simply artistic license?


It's to avoid luring bi men who know he fucks his wife so hard there's a chance his dick accidentally miss her and magically land right in the serendipitously placed orifice of the bi dude.
Magically.
Lack of personal accountability on the part of other people is the main reason I quote their posts when writing mine; I loathe the childishness of people who can't be real.
EVILDOERS wrote:

Why are you staring at a coffee table and not at those dicks? And I think it's nice of that one man to give that other man a free testosterone injection...by force, apparently.
He looks handcuffed or otherwise restrained. That lady should go help him or maybe call 911.


And I can tell they BOTH are in dire need of testosterone by their utter lack of body hair.


This one I can answer easily! Those dicks have no context and are not at all sexy to my brain.
CHEFFETTE wrote:

EVILDOERS wrote:

Why are you staring at a coffee table and not at those dicks? And I think it's nice of that one man to give that other man a free testosterone injection...by force, apparently.
He looks handcuffed or otherwise restrained. That lady should go help him or maybe call 911.


And I can tell they BOTH are in dire need of testosterone by their utter lack of body hair.


This one I can answer easily! Those dicks have no context and are not at all sexy to my brain.


http://img.memecdn.com/context_o_857936.jpg
Holy crap funny as hell!
I know you are miffed Poet that the forum didn't go the way you envisioned it. But seriously, when do they ever? We always shoot off in tangential paths. It's really no big deal. The original post in my mind is the "theme" and the rest of the forum can swing wildly(no pun intended) from very loosely related issues, to just zany madcappery. Cheer up Charlie.....
Here, maybe this will help.....

http://youtu.be/AqZcYPEszN8


It's Business Time!!
It's funny how a humble brag can bite people in the ass. Even funnier is their reaction on being caught out. Some egos are so delicate, their foundations already shaky, that they have to dredge up and post to 12 year old threads to push their embarrassing one off the front page.
No embarrassing moment just get tired of people side stepping the original concerns of what the post was about.
back to what this thread is all about... the joys of bisexuality and a woman who loves it with two men... oh yeah baby
the thread was about a man with women while a women was watching but what every this is old news.
I (male) am openly bi comfortable however our profile does not state this anymore because we came across several straight couples who lost interest early on because they were afraid there would be male on male....... like I can't control myself. So now I pretend to be straight as a board unless I know there is an interest for otherwise. My wife however is straight and seems to be a minority in that regard. My question is what percentage of men are comfortable to bi situations but won't admit to it do to the stigma placed on it?
My wife is very straight And for me the male I don't have an issue with it and I am straight as well but doing dvp or tvp the guys dicks have to touch to a low the female to enjoy. It don't make me bi or gay to do what is needed so the female is getting what she wants for her pleasure.
FUNLUV8688 wrote:

I (male) am openly bi comfortable however our profile does not state this anymore because we came across several straight couples who lost interest early on because they were afraid there would be male on male....... like I can't control myself. So now I pretend to be straight as a board unless I know there is an interest for otherwise. My wife however is straight and seems to be a minority in that regard. My question is what percentage of men are comfortable to bi situations but won't admit to it do to the stigma placed on it?


I'll let them out themselves if they care to, FUNLUV, but from what I've learned in the year (!) I've been on here you are far from alone in what you enjoy and sadly, why you downplay or hide it entirely in your profile. It seems those men who openly hate the thought of other naked men around them who may enjoy what they see are vocal and on rare occasion physically offensive. I've posted why I think that is but it was not met w/ much apparent agreement or understanding.

You're right, POET, only you can say what do make you straight, gay or bi. Just as I say I am not bi or gay, yet am dismissed by those who know better than I what all women REALLY want but won't admit b/c they're just repressed; that I'm just a piece of spaghetti that needs to get wet.
Once again the men know what our sexual orientation should be, as you state because they know we want it. Your analogy regarding sex with your wife is moronic. You actually stated that you have to touch because of dvp and now we have transcended to TVP, as you put it for the female to enjoy it.How in gods name did this even become a topic. Because we have someone that he got the call to be the third. Of course he states the need for tvp because women are not full filled, his made up word not mine. I will bet a penny these two have never been apart of that, but able to produce shitty porn links to view.
Less is more, there is no need to comment or worse yet give your opinion on every forum post. Especially when females are asked a question or to comment. If your partner wants to comment, that would be wonderful. What we don't need is for males to answer for their wives or partners.
I don't comment or post an opinion when asked of males or couples for that very reason.
BIKE_CPL4FUN wrote:

hell, i thought this was about the OP accidentally slipping his cock into a guys mouth while the guy licks the wifes clitoris, and whether or not that makes him BI..... where did all this dvp and tvp come from?


AT this point I'm convinced it's a piece of performance art, like Donald Trump's campaign. They're both very good at not breaking character, remaining wholly believable as walking, talking cautionary tales about unchecked white male privilege.
CHEFFETTE wrote:

BIKE_CPL4FUN wrote:

hell, i thought this was about the OP accidentally slipping his cock into a guys mouth while the guy licks the wifes clitoris, and whether or not that makes him BI..... where did all this dvp and tvp come from?


AT this point I'm convinced it's a piece of performance art, like Donald Trump's campaign. They're both very good at not breaking character, remaining wholly believable as walking, talking cautionary tales about unchecked white male privilege.


Oh that it were so...on both counts.