Okay, true confession time. I haven't been a single male since...well since my mission and a few months after getting home. Is it REALLY that hard for single guys to get laid out there in vanilla land? Do vanilla chicks only want strings attached sex? I thought there was kind of a hookup culture out there these days and a decent looking/acting guy could pretty much go out to a bar or a party and find a girl to fuck. What is the big attraction for single guys to swing and fuck married women? Is it some kind of bull/cuck fantasy? Not trying (for once) to be a prick, I'd really like to know what the motivation is. Is it the perception that women who swing are dirtier? Insatiable? DTF whenever/wherever? The part that really perplexes me are the considerable number of single guys who've confessed to us that if they had a significant other they would not allow them to fuck other men? I really don't get it. If anyone could enlighten me as to what's in it for single guys or even just for yourself I would be eternally grateful. I mean "it's hard out there for a pimp...er single guy". You get used and abused. What motivates you to keep banging away at it (pun intended)? What makes you not want to give up and find pussy the regular way?
Evil
Evil
Aside from the sexy adventures, and being used to fulfill fantasies, I dig the bushido (emphasis on bush) of the scene. The push for honesty and respect is refreshing. Meeting interesting folk who are good in bed, and don't wig out at simple rejection or the thought of new experiences, isn't as easy as it seems at face value. Anyone can get laid, but man, stranger danger and blind sexual incompatibility simply aren't fun.
I've never been a hound, have my fun, and would rather not pick up any stalkers, cheats, STDs, or people looking to cop a pregnancy on the sly. That's cynical shit, but sadly justified. Knowing that the people I'm partying with are fully on the same page with myself, and each other, keeps things copacetic. It also instills trust, a certain sand-boxed trust to be sure, which is hot as Hell.
In short; adults doing adult things treating each other like adults is fucking great. A little simplicity cuts out a lot of complexity. That's a tall order in the hookup scene, and a monumental challenge for dudes who like to keep things legit. Finding a long-term and like-minded partner in crime who is stable and a decent person is a whole other challenge. So. Here I be.
P.S. I've met a lot of great and fascinating people here over the years that I'm proud to call true friends. Under normal circumstances that probably wouldn't have happened. Hookups come and go. Romantic relationships can salt the earth when things go sideways. Maybe I'm naive, but this is a unique scene.
I've never been a hound, have my fun, and would rather not pick up any stalkers, cheats, STDs, or people looking to cop a pregnancy on the sly. That's cynical shit, but sadly justified. Knowing that the people I'm partying with are fully on the same page with myself, and each other, keeps things copacetic. It also instills trust, a certain sand-boxed trust to be sure, which is hot as Hell.
In short; adults doing adult things treating each other like adults is fucking great. A little simplicity cuts out a lot of complexity. That's a tall order in the hookup scene, and a monumental challenge for dudes who like to keep things legit. Finding a long-term and like-minded partner in crime who is stable and a decent person is a whole other challenge. So. Here I be.
P.S. I've met a lot of great and fascinating people here over the years that I'm proud to call true friends. Under normal circumstances that probably wouldn't have happened. Hookups come and go. Romantic relationships can salt the earth when things go sideways. Maybe I'm naive, but this is a unique scene.
Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. So are a lot of the chicks in the hookup scene cray cray? "Copping a pregnancy on the sly" is pretty low. Is it that common? Also, the "stranger danger and blind sexual incompatibility" seems like it would be more or less equally as prevalent in the lifestyle. Not to mention STD's stalkers and cheats. What makes you think swingers are inherently more trustworthy in any given situation?
>So are a lot of the chicks in the hookup scene cray cray?
People in general are half-baked critters. The hookup scene tends to silently give desperation a pass, which brings out some odd folk.
>"Copping a pregnancy on the sly" is pretty low. Is it that common?
It's not extremely common, but it happens, and ties into the the desperation remark above. Especially once you're in the mix with people in their late 30's. Shit's no fun at all.
>Also, the "stranger danger and blind sexual incompatibility" seems like it would be more or less >equally as prevalent in the lifestyle.
This isn't my first rodeo. I did the majority of screening when rolling as a couple for several years. There are "off" people in the scene, but word spread fast. Whether they are unstable as a couple, or unstable as a person, they tend to burn out and fade out pretty quickly in my experience.
Sexual incompatibility happens, sure, but the odds are good it won't be a first encounter. Friends first (chat friends at the very least) is how I like things.
>Not to mention STD's stalkers and cheats. What makes you think swingers are inherently more >trustworthy in any given situation?
Please refer to the above.
It's not necessarily a matter of being more trustworthy. There are plenty of scummy, dishonest, and dangerous swingers. However, the traditionally encouraged rules and boundaries that (what I'm assuming is) the majority of the community acknowledges tend to oust em pretty quickly.
People in general are half-baked critters. The hookup scene tends to silently give desperation a pass, which brings out some odd folk.
>"Copping a pregnancy on the sly" is pretty low. Is it that common?
It's not extremely common, but it happens, and ties into the the desperation remark above. Especially once you're in the mix with people in their late 30's. Shit's no fun at all.
>Also, the "stranger danger and blind sexual incompatibility" seems like it would be more or less >equally as prevalent in the lifestyle.
This isn't my first rodeo. I did the majority of screening when rolling as a couple for several years. There are "off" people in the scene, but word spread fast. Whether they are unstable as a couple, or unstable as a person, they tend to burn out and fade out pretty quickly in my experience.
Sexual incompatibility happens, sure, but the odds are good it won't be a first encounter. Friends first (chat friends at the very least) is how I like things.
>Not to mention STD's stalkers and cheats. What makes you think swingers are inherently more >trustworthy in any given situation?
Please refer to the above.
It's not necessarily a matter of being more trustworthy. There are plenty of scummy, dishonest, and dangerous swingers. However, the traditionally encouraged rules and boundaries that (what I'm assuming is) the majority of the community acknowledges tend to oust em pretty quickly.Men and women can be drama bombs, but single men tend to be on the receiving end of a negative reputation from the word "go". There are a lot of decent single guys who get pushed out of the scene due to a few weird experiences brought on by insecure couples.
Fact is, and this is *not* a call-out, once it's pants-off-o'clock some guys in couples will simply flip out. Drama credit goes right to the single male more often than not because it wouldn't have happened if they didn't have the audacity to bring a penis to a MfM or swap.
Yeah. EvilDoers is keeping things interestin'.
Fact is, and this is *not* a call-out, once it's pants-off-o'clock some guys in couples will simply flip out. Drama credit goes right to the single male more often than not because it wouldn't have happened if they didn't have the audacity to bring a penis to a MfM or swap.
WRGAF wrote:
good thread
Yeah. EvilDoers is keeping things interestin'.
It's surprising how many couples have seen this first hand in private or at parties, but refuse to acknowledge it's a thing.
Oh it's a thing, alright. Nobody has the corner on the drama market. Single guys just get called on in more because...take your pick:
1) They're easy targets.
2) They don't bring as much to the table (which pisses off the married guys apparently).
3) A certain percentage of them act like twatwaffles and ruin it for the rest.
4) They whine about stuff (well, not getting their fair share of pussy) more than most.
1) They're easy targets.
2) They don't bring as much to the table (which pisses off the married guys apparently).
3) A certain percentage of them act like twatwaffles and ruin it for the rest.
4) They whine about stuff (well, not getting their fair share of pussy) more than most.
EVILDOERS wrote:
Oh it's a thing, alright. Nobody has the corner on the drama market. Single guys just get called on in more because...take your pick:
1) They're easy targets.
2) They don't bring as much to the table (which pisses off the married guys apparently).
3) A certain percentage of them act like twatwaffles and ruin it for the rest.
4) They whine about stuff (well, not getting their fair share of pussy) more than most.
Excellent Post thanks for sharing
EVILDOERS wrote:
2) They don't bring as much to the table (which pisses off the married guys apparently).
Confirmed just a few minutes ago, in print no less. lol.
EVILDOERS wrote:
4) They whine about stuff (well, not getting their fair share of pussy) more than most.
These guys deserve it. Anyone can get laid. This site is an uphill battle for single men. Any single guy that comes here and bemoans the fact they aren't getting laid after having "the odds are against you" spelled out to them, is kinda self-incriminating.
I really enjoy threesomes with couples... nothing like helping a couple with a fantasy! this is not something you can really get from a non swinging site...
and as a single guy I try my best to walk away from anything that is going to cause me to get called out or get a bad rep but there are still people out there that listen to someone and believe everything that person says without investigating on their own and finding the truth.
and as a single guy I try my best to walk away from anything that is going to cause me to get called out or get a bad rep but there are still people out there that listen to someone and believe everything that person says without investigating on their own and finding the truth.
Perma-Bachelor wrote:
I really enjoy threesomes with couples... nothing like helping a couple with a fantasy! this is not something you can really get from a non swinging site...
This right here.
Evil,
To answer the original question, take a look at the last thing I stuck on Josh's post. It is pretty easy for a decent looking and decent guy to pick up a girl, but some think that it'll be even easier here. When they find out it's actually harder, I think they mostly just go away. The ones who stick around, I think there's something about the lifestyle, or more likely about the peolr in it, that attracts them. For me, when I was single, it was that all these people were essentially saying "screw what the world thinks we should do, we're doing what WE think we should." Anyone with that attitude is numbwr one in my book, unless and until he/she proves otherwise.
To answer the original question, take a look at the last thing I stuck on Josh's post. It is pretty easy for a decent looking and decent guy to pick up a girl, but some think that it'll be even easier here. When they find out it's actually harder, I think they mostly just go away. The ones who stick around, I think there's something about the lifestyle, or more likely about the peolr in it, that attracts them. For me, when I was single, it was that all these people were essentially saying "screw what the world thinks we should do, we're doing what WE think we should." Anyone with that attitude is numbwr one in my book, unless and until he/she proves otherwise.
That's my whole point and the crux of my question. If it's so easy to get laid in the vanilla world why in the world would you stick around here and endure the (fairly constant) abuse? I'm sure the answer is different for different guys but I'm really interested to know why. I posted a similar poll (they have a dedicated poll section) on another swing site we're on and so far the choice with the most answers is "I like fucking other guy's wives." Go figure.
EVILDOERS wrote:
so far the choice with the most answers is "I like fucking other guy's wives." Go figure.
Eskimo Brothers. Warms the heart.
Perma-Bachelor wrote:
I really enjoy threesomes with couples... nothing like helping a couple with a fantasy! this is not something you can really get from a non swinging site...
and as a single guy I try my best to walk away from anything that is going to cause me to get called out or get a bad rep but there are still people out there that listen to someone and believe everything that person says without investigating on their own and finding the truth.
I agree 100%
Being a single, Widower. Love to find a Lady that enjoys life, and what it has to offer.
And is open to explore this lifestyle.
Not easy to venture out as a single male. And having been there, as couple understand.
And is open to explore this lifestyle.
Not easy to venture out as a single male. And having been there, as couple understand.
EVILDOERS wrote:
That's my whole point and the crux of my question. If it's so easy to get laid in the vanilla world why in the world would you stick around here and endure the (fairly constant) abuse? I'm sure the answer is different for different guys but I'm really interested to know why. I posted a similar poll (they have a dedicated poll section) on another swing site we're on and so far the choice with the most answers is "I like fucking other guy's wives." Go figure.
Those guys are probably into, one, doing something that's forbidden (in a way like me) and , second, feeling like they're winning some he-man competition. What they don't get is that in swinging, people who are truly into it don't see their partner's sexual activities as their private property, so they haven't won a damned thing. You can't steal what's being freely given.
I came in here because I was 32, single, and wanted to lose my virginity, and nobody wanted to take it. 
Had to lie about it, because the people I warned thought I was lying, ergo....
Now I'm mostly on here because I'm bored, and going into the chat room with people who don't mind talking about sex is refreshing. As opposed to AFF where you can be one of 50 guys messaging any girl that's on there, or dating sites, where, if you're under 6 foot tall these days, there's very little likelihood of you even getting a message let alone a date.
Dating is hard for single men regardless of what site you go on whether it's a normal dating site or a sex site.
I enjoy talking with the married women and men. It's rare for me to make a mental connection with anybody, and once you hit your mid-30's, the people you connect best with are almost all married with kids, and your social life shrivels up.
Sure, I could go to a bar and take advantage of drunk girls to get laid, but hey, i don't drink. Would that be fair? Hang on, are you saying I SHOULD do that? Isn't that how normal people do it? Go to bars and clubs, and make decisions about one night stands when they're only 50% sober?
Had to lie about it, because the people I warned thought I was lying, ergo....Now I'm mostly on here because I'm bored, and going into the chat room with people who don't mind talking about sex is refreshing. As opposed to AFF where you can be one of 50 guys messaging any girl that's on there, or dating sites, where, if you're under 6 foot tall these days, there's very little likelihood of you even getting a message let alone a date.
Dating is hard for single men regardless of what site you go on whether it's a normal dating site or a sex site.
I enjoy talking with the married women and men. It's rare for me to make a mental connection with anybody, and once you hit your mid-30's, the people you connect best with are almost all married with kids, and your social life shrivels up.
Sure, I could go to a bar and take advantage of drunk girls to get laid, but hey, i don't drink. Would that be fair? Hang on, are you saying I SHOULD do that? Isn't that how normal people do it? Go to bars and clubs, and make decisions about one night stands when they're only 50% sober?
Definition of creepy singles guys is exemplified by the 2 single male booty call ads for tonight. There's a difference between being sexually free and uninhibited versus straight up creepy. Do single women/couples respond to single men who want to give you a tongue massage? That sounds like a craigslist listing. Seriously, what the fuck?
JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:
I came in here because I was 32, single, and wanted to lose my virginity, and nobody wanted to take it.
Now I'm mostly on here because I'm bored, and going into the chat room with people who don't mind talking about sex is refreshing. As opposed to AFF where you can be one of 50 guys messaging any girl that's on there, or dating sites, where, if you're under 6 foot tall these days, there's very little likelihood of you even getting a message let alone a date.
Dating is hard for single men regardless of what site you go on whether it's a normal dating site or a sex site.
I enjoy talking with the married women and men. It's rare for me to make a mental connection with anybody, and once you hit your mid-30's, the people you connect best with are almost all married with kids, and your social life shrivels up.
Sure, I could go to a bar and take advantage of drunk girls to get laid, but hey, i don't drink. Would that be fair? Hang on, are you saying I SHOULD do that? Isn't that how normal people do it? Go to bars and clubs, and make decisions about one night stands when they're only 50% sober?
I dunno, man, I found my wife on AFF. But then again, we're both rather strange, as compared to "normal" people. And NEVER tell a prospective playmate, here or anywhere, that you're a virgin. Half will lose interest 'cause they aren't interested in being a teacher, half because they think you're lying and trying for a pity fuck. Hell, I was a 16 year old by 3 weeks at a time when damned few guys got laid before about 20, with a 20 year old college girl, and knew better than to say something like that, even though I'm pretty sure she already figured I was.
TMACA wrote:
And NEVER tell a prospective playmate, here or anywhere, that you're a virgin. Half will lose interest 'cause they aren't interested in being a teacher, half because they think you're lying and trying for a pity fuck.
way too true. I even had friends vouching for me on here, and nothing. So instead I just found some random lady on here (can't even remember who anymore) and gave her one crappy night of selfish not very long sex 
I solo while Tank is at work. I go to lunches, hang out, get a massage, whatever I want with single guys. I have asked them why they like "dating" me (it is not nsa/dtf for me, but connections and fwb). The answer was quite simple, they get to have fun and go home and know that I am not pining over them. Married women already have a husband and they know what kind of work goes into it (especially if they are with a loving, caring, devoted one). They have no desire to be trained to be a good husband and they know that "I" have no desire to start over and start training again. I have a husband who adores me, he will tell you the sun rises and sets around me. These single guys like being single, free from commitment, and happy wives are safe. We do not demand things that single girls demand. We ask for coffee, lunch, respect, and honesty. You can cancel on a married woman (at least 24 hours in advance--respect) and we will not be upset that you found someone better. Single girls plan one date and spend a week looking for the perfect outfit because in the back of their head every hook-up COULD potentially be "the one". Us married chickies have a man at home and if plans fail we still go out, just with the guy we share a house with.
Any post that has "since my mission" in the first paragraph shoud be taken with a ton-load size grain of salt lake.
Why's that? Utah is weird.
Ok, I can see all the previous points...how about another??? I am looking to explore my sexuality(just like everyone else here...single male, female and couples). I am more comfortable playing with other men in a MFM situation, and in this lifestyle playing comes with honesty and no judgement. It is just me, but I am more comfortable exploring with couples. I can and do refrain from MM play if the male part of a couple is straight(or the female is not into it) which is the respect part of this lifestyle. I have had the male part of couples want to play alone, I am just not...Ready(?) for that yet. Either way it is all done with respect, honesty and no judgement!!! To me that overshadows the stigma single males get from the lifestyle. I like others on here have made some very special friends both in and out of the bedroom, life long friends!!
Thanks for sharing that perspective. It doesn't seem any different than a lot of single women's scenes I've known, aside from the penises. Good for you, and best of luck.
I'm still trying to picture "a ton-load size grain of salt lake". Would it still be considered a grain if it's in solution? And I can't quite figure out why "Dating is hard for single men...". Is it easier for married guys to date? Is there another category of men I'm not aware of that find dating easier? 
Most married guys have a hard time dating because their wife isn't aware.
Hmmmm I would think lack of awareness would facilitate dating but what the fuck do I know? 
That's not my scene, but you're right. However maintaining the lack of awareness seems to be stressful, and rife with late meetings and impulsive gifting.
Actualy, as a single male, I find it easier to pick up women for sex in vanilla locations. I mainly still drop in on the swing scene now & then as a hold over from previous relationships. I also still occasionally help select vanilla couples to find their way in the lifestyle.
In twenty years of the lifestyle, the single guys who made things complicated or impossible are far fewer than the ones who fit in perfectlywith the groups. Perhaps my perspective is different because I seek out group scenes instead of"dating" individual couples. Usually these guys cum with someone already vouching for them so it creates less of a hurdle to overcome. I think that one of the most common differences is the disparity between people who are lonley and people who are horny. Lonely people will "settle down" and pretty much flip their list of desires when a good match comes along. I usually think of these folks as seeking Soul Mates instead of fuck buddies. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that desire for long term companionship, but it doesn't tend to hold out long in the lifestyle.
SIREROS wrote:
What is in it for me? I have come here looking for a serious partner, one who is a sexual goddess who falls for me and I for her and together we run off into swingland as a couple. EASY! Don't panic Evil, that does not mean I will ever do anything to steal away your wife or anyone else either .. I have the utmost in respect for every couple is here and who has got it together enough and love each other enough to swing. Trust me I do not / will not make a unwanted pass or grab your wife's ass at a party, I wont cause any drama ... Fact is that I bring my share to a swing party, rarely showing up to parties as single. I have on several occasions escorted two or as many as three single women. Are you bringing that? While we are on that little chestnut, why do you say a single male brings any less to a party than a single woman? Its true that most couples seem to like the fantasy of a FMF threesome with the elusive SF Unicorn I can assure you that there are many couples who want MFM with a mangy dog that you seem to want to label us single guys. What gives mate?
In the process of searching for the rare goddess I seek, I have made some great Friends With Benifits... couples who call on me for that FMF play they seek. I treat them with total respect and we have some really fun sex! I get to join in with her hubby and together we make her really happy. He is really happy that she is really happy too... Awesome! So I get some erotic kinky play everybody has fun... I get that. I have also met several single women and together we have had some solo one on one fun and we have also played as threesomes and foursomes... Yep I get out of being here too. Yeah buddy, I get a lot of great play... I may even meet my Godess here one day... She isnt your wife... dont sweat it...
Jesus, who said anything about wife stealing?!!? But don't worry. I won't panic. I drank quite a bit of beer and I have my towel....
I am though, for some unknown reason, a little afraid of being turned into a sofa.
Well if anyone is wondering why single guys get a bad rap, look to Swingular's policy of not verifying single men. I have been in the LS on and off for 10 years, have had many wonderful partners (and some bad ones). If the community we love to be a part of won't even allow us to verify our identity to give solace/comfort/trust to those couples and singles that want to indulge in the fun times that are single guys, then what chance do we have in this community? I think this is atrocious, discriminatory behavior. I have done nothing but respected every couple and single woman that I have ever played with and I can't even get verified on a swinging site that supposedly respects honesty. I have met several couples on here and other sites, and we have always had a great time. I just met a couple in Provo 2 weekends ago and we had a great evening. Single men simply have to start from the bottom and there's a glass ceiling, it seems, in this community that is unfortunate. Partially warranted by the creepy single guys that use this site as a Fuckbook, but nonetheless sad that I have to be treated like a creeper when I've done nothing to warrant that attitude towards me.
Yup, single guys get the shaft...yada, yada. So why stay? What compels you to stick it out here despite the "atrocious, discriminatory behavior? Is it that hard to get laid in vanilla land? Is it the thrill of fucking another man's wife? Is it because you think girls in the vanilla scene attach strings to sex? Please tell us.
LIFEIS2SHORT2WASTE wrote:
won't even allow us to verify our identity
Friends can verify single guys.
Oh, and (off the subject) what's so magical about getting "verified". Does that have a special meaning? Does it make it easier to get laid here? Do most couples use it as their main criteria for choosing sex partners? I've heard that complaint before and would really like to know what verification actually does. Does it allow you to see more pics?
Good question. I understand how every little bit of outward-facing legitimacy can help, but never even realized it was a thing until someone verified me.
Yep. When rolling as a couple it wasn't uncommon to have a buddy from the site over. It can make for a great time with the right crowd.
FUN4ALL208 wrote:
So have any of you actually played with a single or solo male?
Yep. When rolling as a couple it wasn't uncommon to have a buddy from the site over. It can make for a great time with the right crowd.
Been doing this for close to 30 years and I've NEVER sought out or fucked a single woman. And Ms. Evil isn't bi.
And I fear you missed my sofa reference entirely...but that's okay.
And I fear you missed my sofa reference entirely...but that's okay.
Evil, why do you seem so irked by this? You claim you are just curious but your comments are a bit insulting. If single guys get a bad rap, yada yada (as you so eloquently put it), why am I in it? Because I like to have sex. Married or single. Vanilla or chocolate. Why do you let other people fuck your wife? I'm guessing it turns you on? Or at least it turns on your wife? Guess what? It turns other people on, including single guys. Why does a swinging have to be so elitist? I have just as much right as you to seek out my sexual fantasies. Which more often than not involves couples. And what is your obsession with vanilla sex? I have no interest in that kind of boring sex. And it has nothing to do with why single guys swing.
It is much like Evil said, WHY? Sure we have been to parties where the single guy is hanging around like a vulture watching the ground for low lying pickins. And we have met several that were nice guys and I actually watched the Mrs. play for a while with one. But, really we couples are normally here to meet other couples and if I became a single male I am not sure the attraction would still be here and I might end up strolling the parkways at Lagoon for some real fun., Better leave now before the knives come out!
So Evil, I've noticed you've actually been starting threads lately instead of just reacting to them. Why is that? Why not just go hangout with people in real life and discuss things with them?
Could it be because like some of us single males on here, you're BORED?
Could it be because like some of us single males on here, you're BORED?
You crushed it.
A lot of guys need to step back, and look at it from the couples' perspective. Having screened oodles of singles in days gone by, it's easy to understand why so many couples simply don't appreciate those who whine about lack of sex, openly brag, or feel entitled to be a part of something very personal in others' lives.
Some guys simply need to step away from attempting to find reliable and willing couples for a time. Some guys should focus on impressing a unicorn and maybe finding a partner in crime if they feel the need to be here. Some guys simply need to step away entirely and explore other avenues for their own benefit. If the social underpinning writ large make a person bitter, they are not in an environment that's healthy for them. It's not for everyone. No matter how much effort may go into it.
A lot of guys need to step back, and look at it from the couples' perspective. Having screened oodles of singles in days gone by, it's easy to understand why so many couples simply don't appreciate those who whine about lack of sex, openly brag, or feel entitled to be a part of something very personal in others' lives.
Some guys simply need to step away from attempting to find reliable and willing couples for a time. Some guys should focus on impressing a unicorn and maybe finding a partner in crime if they feel the need to be here. Some guys simply need to step away entirely and explore other avenues for their own benefit. If the social underpinning writ large make a person bitter, they are not in an environment that's healthy for them. It's not for everyone. No matter how much effort may go into it.
EVILDOERS wrote:
Jesus, who said anything about wife stealing?!!? But don't worry. I won't panic. I drank quite a bit of beer and I have my towel....
I am though, for some unknown reason, a little afraid of being turned into a sofa.
You should panic. If you don't have an eThumb you're screwed like the rest of us.
In no particular order...
Bored? No. Perhaps just insufficiently entertained. Is that the same as bored?
Sorry if my questions/comments came off as insulting. Not my intent...at least not consciously. We've always been SM friendly and Ms. Evil has had periods when single male play was her primary interest. My biggest question was if hooking up with single females at bars, etc. was as easy as many claim why endure the abuse, and perhaps more succinctly complain about it almost constantly here in Swingerlandia? I'm sensing a bit of frustration, LIFEIS2. When I get frustrated I rub one out. Try it.
The couch reference (actually a sofa) was perhaps a tad esoteric. I'm sure JEFFSMITH would be happy to explain it to you. And I DO have an ethumb...well, an e-cigarette shaped like a thumb.
Bored? No. Perhaps just insufficiently entertained. Is that the same as bored?
Sorry if my questions/comments came off as insulting. Not my intent...at least not consciously. We've always been SM friendly and Ms. Evil has had periods when single male play was her primary interest. My biggest question was if hooking up with single females at bars, etc. was as easy as many claim why endure the abuse, and perhaps more succinctly complain about it almost constantly here in Swingerlandia? I'm sensing a bit of frustration, LIFEIS2. When I get frustrated I rub one out. Try it.
The couch reference (actually a sofa) was perhaps a tad esoteric. I'm sure JEFFSMITH would be happy to explain it to you. And I DO have an ethumb...well, an e-cigarette shaped like a thumb.
TATTOOED_HOTTIE wrote:
It's a totally different dynamic than hooking up with a single girl so to speak. That would be like asking why does a couple prefer to swing versus just have sex with each other.
Really? Well, cuz Ms. Evil and I have had sex like a bazillion times and it's fun to mix things up a little bit every once in a while. We probably fuck at LEAST 5 or 6 times a week. Let's see, carry the one, divide by the constant, account for wind velocity...hmmmm...yeah that's a LOT.
Fwiw, I don't know very many couples who PREFER to swing versus...I've known a few. They're no longer couples.
Oh, and one last comment to SIREROS previous question. No, I've "never chased a single woman on here". Seriously! Okay I suggested grabbing a cup of coffee once or twice. Does that count as chasing? Even if I never followed thru? Open to the concept but have NEVER done it. Ask around. We've been here since day one and anyone who knows me (us) will tell you how we (I) roll.
And I sincerely apologize for marking "big and hearty" on our single female "yes" box. Totally meant to check "weak and pathetic".
And I sincerely apologize for marking "big and hearty" on our single female "yes" box. Totally meant to check "weak and pathetic".
Evil, you couldn't be farther from the truth about me. I have no problem getting laid on this site by couples or singles. It was you that seemed frustrated with the answers given by the single males you called out. I won't gloat about my experiences, but I will say that this is a lifestyle...meaning you can't dictate who can and can't live in this community. You say you are asking questions, but when you get an answer you condescendingly ask why? Like a small child who can't get the answer they want. I don't mean to be insulting (though obviously that comes off as such) but I have to make the point that this is for everyone. Singles and couples. It's about sharing pleasurable experiences with like minded adults. Don't believe me? Let's go have a drink, you, me and the wifey, no sex expected or given, and see if you have a problem with single guys like me (and there are plenty of guys like me out there). And trust me, just because the creepers are the ones writing scathing emails to you, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of well mannered, intellectual, charming single men who have no interest in ruining what you have but simply enhancing it. And you never answered my question about why YOU are in this lifestyle? I have a feeling it's no different than most of us on here. The social stigma of this lifestyle often leads people to live in the shadows and attracts those that don't really mean to be in the LS but just want to get laid. That is changing fast and despite what people may think about single men, more and more are joining the fray. I welcome them, because for every single guy that is a creeper, I gain a couple or two that appreciate an honest, fun, respectful single male who knows how to approach and treat a couple. Just because there are some cockroaches out there, doesn't make us all pests. Food for thought. Hopefully you were able to get your answer to such a burning question in the swinging community.
Good for you. Who knew Manti was the epicenter of all things sexual. Not sure where I made you think I was the sexual Jello sheriff of the house but it ain't true. I'm just a humble cowboy moseyin' around Swingerdom lookin' for the meanin' of life.
And I totally agree that "more and more are joining the fray". A few sites we've been on are easily 5 or even 10 to 1 singles males to couples. How is that sustainable?
And I still stand by my advice that rubbing one out works great for frustration. Works for me. I get frustrated a LOT!
And I totally agree that "more and more are joining the fray". A few sites we've been on are easily 5 or even 10 to 1 singles males to couples. How is that sustainable?
And I still stand by my advice that rubbing one out works great for frustration. Works for me. I get frustrated a LOT!
I'll do that when I get frustrated Evil. Thank you for your concern. As far as Manti goes, I work here. I moved from Denver a few months ago, which is a larger scene than UT and is quite welcoming to the single male species. It's funny that you don't see where I get that you are acting like a "sexual Jello sheriff", whatever that means (Cosby reference?). You continually attack mine and other single males' comments. Take a look in the mirror guy. You invited this conversation and you seem utterly unsatisfied with the answers myself and others have given you. I'm sure you are a great guy, husband, friend, lover, or whatever but you come off as a condescending a-hole. Sorry but you wouldn't be getting so many responses from single guys if you weren't essentially telling us that we don't have a place here since we can get laid in the vanilla scene. Go back, read your comments. I was happy to just read the thread but you just keep the insults rolling, subtle as they may be or inconspicuous to you (telling me to jerk off to stop being frustrating is insulting in so many ways. Did I attack you in some way to warrant that response?). I'll end with saying that I'm not mad, frustrated, or disheveled from your comments. Words on the internet lack emotion so please don't see the paragraph I wrote as meaning that I'm burning to tell you what I think. I just happened to be interested enough in the topic to throw my 2 pennies out there. I'd love for couples that do play with single males to share their thoughts and experiences because there are so many out there and their input would be invaluable on this topic.
Point blank single guys, you bring nothing to trade. If you had a female friend you brought them all is well, but you come with NOTHING. If the wife likes you what does hubby get? Swinging is SWAPPING. Yours for mine and mine for yours. You do not go to the playground to play marbles without bringing a bag of marbles. You want a piece of me, but then you expect hubby to be happy that you get me when he gets nothing in exchange? Single guys, find a single girl (if you two play together or not is irrelevant) and bring her with you. Swapping parties are for swapping. I do not solo on nights or weekends that is time for swapping. I solo while he is at work. Bring a date (hell bring your sister) but stop bitching about people who are "swapping" to look down on you when you have nothing to trade.
*Ten*
*Ten*
Ten - your comments brought nothing to trade. Just because the male half doesn't get to wet his whistle that night does not make what a single male brings any less valuable. I've never met couples that were so ignorant. I send one, maybe two emails and if I don't get a response, I move on. No harm no foul. But I get plenty of responses from couples and single women regardless of what I bring to trade. You male counterparts are the selfish ones, since clearly swinging is all about you. I love to please women, and that's what I get out of it. I'm not looking for a relationship, or a wife or anything other than what it is. I've always gotten along with the male and it's understood that SHE is the center of attention. Every couple I have played with has been awesome. Sweet, considerate and engaging with me. What I bring to the table is companionship that doesn't involve strings or pressure. This leads to more casual and exciting times. I've been in a couple while swinging and now that I'm single I somehow lose my right to be a swinger? That reminds me of The Big Lebowski where the Dude says Walter isn't Jewish because he got divorced...Walter-"What so because I stop being married, I stop being Jewish?!" Seriously, couples...get off your high horse. This is for everyone not just couples.
TENANDJOE wrote:
Point blank single guys, you bring nothing to trade. If you had a female friend you brought them all is well, but you come with NOTHING.
For you, maybe that's your idea of swinging, however, there's plenty of other ideas.
TENANDJOE wrote:
if the wife likes you what does hubby get?
Knowledge that your wife is happy, the ability to see your wife pleasured, and a host of other things.
TENANDJOE wrote:
Swinging is SWAPPING.
Only for you, everyone else has different ideas.
TENANDJOE wrote:
Yours for mine and mine for yours. You do not go to the playground to play marbles without bringing a bag of marbles. You want a piece of me, but then you expect hubby to be happy that you get me when he gets nothing in exchange?
Only if that's what you two want.
TENANDJOE wrote:
Single guys, find a single girl (if you two play together or not is irrelevant) and bring her with you. Swapping parties are for swapping. I do not solo on nights or weekends that is time for swapping.
Again, for you.
TENANDJOE wrote:
I solo while he is at work. Bring a date (hell bring your sister) but stop bitching about people who are "swapping" to look down on you when you have nothing to trade.
*Ten*
Imagine the most boring possible world. It'd be a world where everyone was the same, keep that in mind when making broad, all inclusive statements.
Not everyone is like you or anyone else, it's what makes the world go around, the differences.
Finally, when I was single this is what I got from swinging:
1.) Unattached sex with people who actually enjoyed sex. There's much less chance of a swinging woman to get emotionally attached to me because I was nice, decent looking, good in bed, or any other reason you can imagine. You'd be amazed at how many women think that because they had sex you're now a couple.
2.) Enjoying the people in the lifestyle, whether playing or not. The lifestyle attracts people who are more secure in themselves and more fun, in my experience.
3.) Chances to make my and others' fantasies into realities.
And so much more, now, Mr. Evil, go ahead and say whatever you wish, but you asked the question.
Additionally, quit bashing SM's, they're just as much a part of the lifestyle as anyone else, because you choose to not participate with them, doesn't mean others don't.
Finally, all the things we've seen posted about SM's has been more common from couples and SF's than SM's with us, from touching without permission, lurking in the corners, emailing when it's obvious they didn't read our profile, etc. Doesn't matter, it's much easier to bash those who're plentiful than those who are more like you.
This article seems appropriate to bring up here: http://thephilosophersmail.com/relationships/how-we-end-up-marrying-the-wrong-people/
Society looks down on singles as losers, pressuring people to get into marriages which are often disruptive and bad for their health. And let's face it, some married people should never have gotten married in the first place. And some singles should never get married.
One dude, I met him for 5 seconds, when he told me I should go get married. Based on WHAT? How do you know I wouldn't cause serious harm to the person I married, or their kids? How did he know I wasn't some sort of serial pudding pie molester?
Society trumps up marriage as the be all and end all, and if you aren't married, you are definitely made to feel like remaining single is nothing but a choice of selfishness, regardless of the reasoning.
Society looks down on singles as losers, pressuring people to get into marriages which are often disruptive and bad for their health. And let's face it, some married people should never have gotten married in the first place. And some singles should never get married.
One dude, I met him for 5 seconds, when he told me I should go get married. Based on WHAT? How do you know I wouldn't cause serious harm to the person I married, or their kids? How did he know I wasn't some sort of serial pudding pie molester?
Society trumps up marriage as the be all and end all, and if you aren't married, you are definitely made to feel like remaining single is nothing but a choice of selfishness, regardless of the reasoning.
Thank you JSTJIM72, thank you.
Not sure why everyone thinks I'm bashing single males. I asked a question, some people answered it and gave me feedback and others got butt hurt and took off on a "everyone hates single males" tangent. I started this thread because I was talking to a single dude at a party once who was complaining that none of the girls there would fuck him. He finally stood up and said, "Fuck this. I can go to just about any bar and get laid if I want to. I don't have to take this." and stormed out. Up to that point we were having a pretty rad conversation about motorcycles and he just kinda snapped. I thought about it quite a bit and that, coupled with the fairly ubiquitous threads from single guys asking what they need to do to get laid around here, I decided it would make an interesting thread. I guess I was wrong. It SHOULD be completely and utterly fair (just like life is) and all the single guys should get as much pussy as they want. I'll tell Ms. Evil to expect to put out...a LOT at the next party we go to.
That guy sounds like a dick. Kind of like the megalomaniacs you run into at the bar. He was not in the lifestyle. The moment he got angry was the moment you should realize that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you've ever met a lifestyler at a party that is a single male you would have a different impression of who we are. We are the ones that talk to both you and your wife. Relay stories of triumphs and failures in this LS. We aren't pushy, or crude. And we know our place, always asking before touching and understanding what's okay to do and what's off limits. I live this, not on the weekends or while traveling, and I consider myself a swinger. I follow the rules and play as I should. I'm really not trying to toot my own horn, it's just the easiest way for me to clarify for you how many single guys, like myself, truly behave. Hopefully, now that you've gotten engaging conversation on the topic from people that have a more profound sense of what their role is in this LS, maybe you will understand that this microcosm of the world has the same creeps that the regular dating seen has and you have to look past the shitty people who are pretending. And I'm not butt hurt.
You're still kinda missing the point. The point was that he rightly or wrongly believed he could get laid easier at a bar than at that party. My question, nothing more, nothing less, was what he (and other single guys) see in the lifestyle if it's truly easier to get laid in a bar. Not sure why this thread took off on such a negative tangent. I started the same thread on another swingsite and nobody got bent out of shape about it and thought I was attacking single men. I got a lot of very interesting feedback and perspectives. And I'm not disputing that many single guys "follow the rules", "know (their) place", etc.. We know quite a few single guys who are great friends. I simply wondered what was so compelling about the lifestyle that they might forego "easier" sex and endure the attitude single guys get (yes, from me sometimes as well...deserved or undeserved). So far the top answer (the other swingsite allows for posting of polls as well as comments) is "Married pussy is the BEST pussy." and "I like fucking other guy's wives." The polls are anonymous.
OUTLAWS, "Ground! Ha! I wonder if it'll be friends with me? Hello, Ground!"
OUTLAWS, "Ground! Ha! I wonder if it'll be friends with me? Hello, Ground!"
Frankly, everyday I worry more about the shoe event horizon and hoping they'll invent pseudofractures soon.
But speaking of panagalactic gargle blasters, ok, is it considered ok to go pick up ladies at a bar when they're inebriated? I'm one of those mormon boys who would just go to church and hoped he wouldn't get turned into the bishop for kissing on the 4th date. I am very much clueless about this topic.
But speaking of panagalactic gargle blasters, ok, is it considered ok to go pick up ladies at a bar when they're inebriated? I'm one of those mormon boys who would just go to church and hoped he wouldn't get turned into the bishop for kissing on the 4th date. I am very much clueless about this topic.
Fuck that. How about spiking the sacrament water, getting the bishop drunk and totally getting to 2nd base with him turning HIM on? Go big or go home!
Ok Evil, you're right. A relative adjacent conversation was off topic to your original post. Mea culpa.
I think that if you're questioning their judgment, don't do it. Doubly so if you're sober. I'm an odd duck, though.
Dayvan_Cowboy wrote:
I think that if you're questioning their judgment, don't do it. Doubly so if you're sober. I'm an odd duck, though.
Dammit, I don't drink, and everybody socializes by at least getting partially buzzed.
Jesus TOTALLY hit the open bar at that wedding in Canaan. You think you're better than him JEFF?
And don't feed me that bullshit about wine being non-alcoholic back then.
And don't feed me that bullshit about wine being non-alcoholic back then.
It was grape juice, yo.
EVILDOERS wrote:
Jesus TOTALLY hit the open bar at that wedding in Canaan. You think you're better than him JEFF?
And don't feed me that bullshit about wine being non-alcoholic back then.
If you're going to fight about biblical imbibage will you please bring Noah into the mix?
On a serious note, I have no problem with drinking morally, I just don't want to try it because of a history of alcoholism in some of my family members. The results of their addictions were definitely less than positive.
No worries. I have a big ass coffee monkey on my back that is goin' to my grave with me.
Noah was a PUNK!
In MY sealed version of the Bible it clearly states that fucker only drank daiquiris.
Noah was a PUNK!
In MY sealed version of the Bible it clearly states that fucker only drank daiquiris.
Dayvan_Cowboy wrote:Perma-Bachelor wrote:
I really enjoy threesomes with couples... nothing like helping a couple with a fantasy! this is not something you can really get from a non swinging site...
This right here.
I still think this is the best answer... as confirmed by Dayvan_cowboy....
TATTOOED_HOTTIE wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
[quote=TATTOOED_HOTTIE]It's a totally different dynamic than hooking up with a single girl so to speak. That would be like asking why does a couple prefer to swing versus just have sex with each other.
Really? Well, cuz Ms. Evil and I have had sex like a bazillion times and it's fun to mix things up a little bit every once in a while. We probably fuck at LEAST 5 or 6 times a week. Let's see, carry the one, divide by the constant, account for wind velocity...hmmmm...yeah that's a LOT.
Fwiw, I don't know very many couples who PREFER to swing versus...I've known a few. They're no longer couples.
Let me rephrase that since you're clearly not the brightest bulb on the tree. You swing correct? Why? You must be some sort of weirdo. Sex with the misses isn't good enough? Why isn't that sufficient?? You obviously don't prefer to have sex with just your other half or you wouldn't even be on here genius. Oh let's see carry the one blah blah blah lol. God. Ok. Got it now? Made simple enough for you boy wonder?? Personally I'm tired of seeing you act like an ass then apologize for it and pretend you're not one. Have the misses sit on that big mouth of yours please and save us all from your whining! [/quote]
Jesus Gerrymandering Christ! Who pooped on you Pop-Tart? But ya got me. Not only am I a Mensa reject but I failed my first five attempts to pass the bar. Seriously, I tried to walk past it five times. Tripped the first three times and stopped to ask the bartender directions the next two. But I'm really glad you figured me out. I was getting tired of the charade. I'm actually an undercover agent for the LDS church sent here to sow dissent and piss the fucking hell out of each and every single male (they're a menace if they're over 25 and not married ya know) here on Swingular. I really do sincerely apologize for harshing your single dude buzz. I'm certain that your sparkling personality and cheery demeanor is getting you ALL kinds of tail. Please don't let me get in the way all your swinging fun. I'll just go back in my little cuck corner over here and let you studs show the l'il woman what she's been missing out on all these years. Oh, and for your information bulbs grow in the ground and not in trees. Well, I guess if they're Christmas bulbs they...well, er...now look what you've done. I'm all flustered and confused and stuff. Wait, it could be a light bulb, like fancy people put in their trees or at fancy restaurants and stuff....Oh dear me, where is that fucking bar again? And you know what REALLY pisses me the fuck off?!!? You got me to write a reply BEFORE I've had my fucking coffee. That, my friend, is an unpardonable sin. Good DAY to you, sir!
funny evil is sooooo much easier to like than angry evil . . .
WEDOTOO wrote:
funny evil is sooooo much easier to like than angry evil . . .
You can tell a difference?!!? Shit, I have GOT to start taking those meds the doc prescribed. Fwiw I've had my coffee now and totally rubbed one out so I'm a lot more relaxed and mellow now. Still not any smarter though. Been popping ungodly amounts of ginkgo in a desperate attempt to get my IQ into the low 60's. It's obviously not working.
EVILDOERS wrote:
Oh, and (off the subject) what's so magical about getting "verified". Does that have a special meaning? Does it make it easier to get laid here? Do most couples use it as their main criteria for choosing sex partners? I've heard that complaint before and would really like to know what verification actually does. Does it allow you to see more pics?
(from Terry)
Great question, Evil. It's obvious what verification does for couples. There's so much paranoia about single males pretending to be a couple, or males in a couple trying to play behind the wife's back, that some people won't even "talk" to an unverified couple. Once a couple is verified, people know that that couples profile really does belong to a couple, and that there's at least a better chance than there would otherwise be that the Mrs. knows hubby is on a swinger site.
But verification, especially when done by someone from the site, ONLY confirms that yes, this profile belongs to an actual, real, live couple. It doesn't really confirm that the posted pics are less than 30 years old (even if the verifier DID look for stuff like that, pics can be changed after being verified), that the person or people on a profile really do have the sexual orientation and preferences listed, or anything like that.
If verification really did verify that the pics were reasonably accurate, or that the orientation, preferences, and remarks were all true, then there'd be a benefit to a single guy getting verified. But it doesn't. It simply confirms that the couple profile has a couple behind it, or that the single msle (or single female) profile has a male, or female, behind it.
So since the whole thing is really designed to keep single makes from pretending to be something they're not, and the guy on the single male profile is admitting what he is, what's the point? I suspect that's why site personnel do not verify single men. This isn't an expensive site, so the site doesn't have tons of money to hire staff, so why have the few people they do have waste time verifying people for whom the verification doesn't provide any benefits?
And single males CAN be verified by other members, which, for them, is a much better desl. If a member verifies someone, and especially if the verifier leaves a comment on the profile, people can see that the guy really is the "polite, intelligent, easy going. good looking" (or whatever else he claims) fellow that his profile says he is. Of course, for at the least the time being he'll have to live with just the member verification and forego the comment, since the "leave comment' thing hasn't been working since like forever. Hey, THAT might be a nefarious conspiracy to handicap single males! One no doubt initiated by Andrea Dworkin's ghost.
LIFEIS2SHORT2WASTE wrote:
I'll do that when I get frustrated Evil. Thank you for your concern. As far as Manti goes, I work here. I moved from Denver a few months ago, which is a larger scene than UT and is quite welcoming to the single male species. It's funny that you don't see where I get that you are acting like a "sexual Jello sheriff", whatever that means (Cosby reference?). You continually attack mine and other single males' comments. Take a look in the mirror guy. You invited this conversation and you seem utterly unsatisfied with the answers myself and others have given you. I'm sure you are a great guy, husband, friend, lover, or whatever but you come off as a condescending a-hole. Sorry but you wouldn't be getting so many responses from single guys if you weren't essentially telling us that we don't have a place here since we can get laid in the vanilla scene. Go back, read your comments. I was happy to just read the thread but you just keep the insults rolling, subtle as they may be or inconspicuous to you (telling me to jerk off to stop being frustrating is insulting in so many ways. Did I attack you in some way to warrant that response?). I'll end with saying that I'm not mad, frustrated, or disheveled from your comments. Words on the internet lack emotion so please don't see the paragraph I wrote as meaning that I'm burning to tell you what I think. I just happened to be interested enough in the topic to throw my 2 pennies out there. I'd love for couples that do play with single males to share their thoughts and experiences because there are so many out there and their input would be invaluable on this topic.
dude, I hear where you're coming from, but Evil ain't the sheriff, he's the court jester. He spends his time ferreting out silliness and poking fun at it. as well as at just about anything else that crosses his sites. And it's mostly all meant in fun, and usually IS funny, so don't take every single thing he says so literally.
JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:
Frankly, everyday I worry more about the shoe event horizon and hoping they'll invent pseudofractures soon.
But speaking of panagalactic gargle blasters, ok, is it considered ok to go pick up ladies at a bar when they're inebriated? I'm one of those mormon boys who would just go to church and hoped he wouldn't get turned into the bishop for kissing on the 4th date. I am very much clueless about this topic.
It's only OK if you're wasted too. That way, you're risking waking up in the morning next to female godzilla, so you're paying for the privilege.
TMACA wrote:JEFFSMITH1972 wrote:
Frankly, everyday I worry more about the shoe event horizon and hoping they'll invent pseudofractures soon.
But speaking of panagalactic gargle blasters, ok, is it considered ok to go pick up ladies at a bar when they're inebriated? I'm one of those mormon boys who would just go to church and hoped he wouldn't get turned into the bishop for kissing on the 4th date. I am very much clueless about this topic.
It's only OK if you're wasted too. That way, you're risking waking up in the morning next to female godzilla, so you're paying for the privilege.
Got it, so in order to ensure someone else doesn't make bad decisions while drunk, I must first be drunk to the same level so at least then both of us are on the same level mentally.
So....I'm a pyro. If I get drunk, there's a good chance Utah would look worse than Ferguson the next day.
Oh please, everyone knows that Evil is just a twat-waffle in a kotex-girdle, riding a douche-canoe over big-squirt-falls. We know he's gonna get all soggy but he's super absorbent so it'll all work out--because picturing him like that is sure to make you smile or giggle. Just like most of his posts.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming:
I did miss the pages between 1 and 5 on this thread so I apologize if my response repeats something already said. Single men like to fuck. This place, or swinging in general, is one more place to accomplish that. Pursuing single women and pursuing women here are not mutually exclusive, me thinks. Same objective? Just another place to pursue that objective is all.
Now, back to Evil, just 'cause I like to pick on him after someone else just tried to bitch-slap him: He's also a bit of a dick-cozy, pubic-thatched form of butt-floss. And I'm pretty sure that he has to wear those snugger-fit condoms, and constantly complains about how loose they are.
So there, Evil, take THAT!
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming:
I did miss the pages between 1 and 5 on this thread so I apologize if my response repeats something already said. Single men like to fuck. This place, or swinging in general, is one more place to accomplish that. Pursuing single women and pursuing women here are not mutually exclusive, me thinks. Same objective? Just another place to pursue that objective is all.
Now, back to Evil, just 'cause I like to pick on him after someone else just tried to bitch-slap him: He's also a bit of a dick-cozy, pubic-thatched form of butt-floss. And I'm pretty sure that he has to wear those snugger-fit condoms, and constantly complains about how loose they are.
So there, Evil, take THAT!
I'm actually quite insulted that you think I would even know what a condom is let alone wear one.
1st- TMACA...you don't know me, so please refrain from assuming you know what I'm thinking. Evil told me to go jerk off because he incorrectly assumed I was "butt hurt" or frustrated. Neither was the case. He didn't even try to have an intelligent conversation with me before he started in on his brand of humor (which few on this thread seem to enjoy either). His joke wasn't funny and was LITERALLY offensive since I didn't insult him in any way. That was the comment I referred to in my previous posts. I'm not offended at all by his humor. Not even slightly, but regardless, the internet trolls will see this and say I'm angry, hurt, cry baby or whatever. DON'T READ EMOTION IN TEXT ON A SCREEN! I'm indifferent to this thread besides pointing out how deconstructive Evils comments are.
2nd - I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees Evil for the jackass that he is...you would never have to worry about me storming out of your party, because I don't play with people like you or Ten. Enjoy your life of sarcasm and insults, dick.
This is my last post. I prefer not to banter with people that can't entertain an actual conversation with like-minded adults without saying something asinine.
2nd - I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees Evil for the jackass that he is...you would never have to worry about me storming out of your party, because I don't play with people like you or Ten. Enjoy your life of sarcasm and insults, dick.
This is my last post. I prefer not to banter with people that can't entertain an actual conversation with like-minded adults without saying something asinine.
Jesus Crossdressing Christ! Ya slip away from work a little early, go buy a new BB gun, stop at Costco for some cheap gas and a few free samples and all hell breaks loose. For a guy who doesn't get butt hurt OR frustrated you seem pretty damn frustrated. Have you tried yoga? It's pretty zen and there are usually some hot very flexible women there. And not to worry. Mr LIFE. You're not the first nor will you be the last to find my sense of humor (or lack thereof) well,take your pick:
Offensive
Juvenile
Deconstructive (Is that even a word? Spellcheck doesn't seem to think so.)
Asinine (That one's definitely a word.)
Puerile (That's a good term for it.)
A total fucking waste of time. (Not a word but very descriptive.)
Oh and for anyone interested, Ms. Evil and I went and saw this really cool movie tonight about this chick named Catpiss Evergreen. She's like this totally badass archery chick who's stringing along TWO guys at once. You single guys warned me that vanilla chicks are pretty fucking harsh. Anyway, she like goes around and shoots shit and kisses these guys and they prolly pop some serious wood especially when she dresses up like a cross between Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Batman. I totally recommend this movie. There isn't any gratuitous nudity but you can totally download hacked naked pics of the chick in the movie and look at them while you watch the movie.
Offensive
Juvenile
Deconstructive (Is that even a word? Spellcheck doesn't seem to think so.)
Asinine (That one's definitely a word.)
Puerile (That's a good term for it.)
A total fucking waste of time. (Not a word but very descriptive.)
Oh and for anyone interested, Ms. Evil and I went and saw this really cool movie tonight about this chick named Catpiss Evergreen. She's like this totally badass archery chick who's stringing along TWO guys at once. You single guys warned me that vanilla chicks are pretty fucking harsh. Anyway, she like goes around and shoots shit and kisses these guys and they prolly pop some serious wood especially when she dresses up like a cross between Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Batman. I totally recommend this movie. There isn't any gratuitous nudity but you can totally download hacked naked pics of the chick in the movie and look at them while you watch the movie.
I think this thread has pretty much run it's course and/or pissed off a whole bunch of people (whether they admit it or not) so I think someone should start a new thread. Who wants to ask the single ladies what they get out of swinging? I would do it myself but sadly I have no experience in that particular area so I prolly wouldn't even be able to post "asinine" comments about it.
Who am I kidding? I'd still prolly post those. So who wants to start that thread? We can't prevail upon Mr. LIFE as he has given up the forums for Lent. Maybe Mr. Van Cowboy (formerly Alaskan Marmot Molester...He doesn't really molest marmots...or at least I don't THINK he does, but he definitely shows a callous disregard for their dental health).
Who am I kidding? I'd still prolly post those. So who wants to start that thread? We can't prevail upon Mr. LIFE as he has given up the forums for Lent. Maybe Mr. Van Cowboy (formerly Alaskan Marmot Molester...He doesn't really molest marmots...or at least I don't THINK he does, but he definitely shows a callous disregard for their dental health).
Hey now. I was merely the enabler. That marmot understood what was going down from the moment he clutched the kernels to the moment he scampered off to batter his insulin resistance via sick indulgence.
TATTOOED_HOTTIE wrote:TENANDJOE wrote:
Point blank single guys, you bring nothing to trade. If you had a female friend you brought them all is well, but you come with NOTHING. If the wife likes you what does hubby get? Swinging is SWAPPING. Yours for mine and mine for yours. You do not go to the playground to play marbles without bringing a bag of marbles. You want a piece of me, but then you expect hubby to be happy that you get me when he gets nothing in exchange? Single guys, find a single girl (if you two play together or not is irrelevant) and bring her with you. Swapping parties are for swapping. I do not solo on nights or weekends that is time for swapping. I solo while he is at work. Bring a date (hell bring your sister) but stop bitching about people who are "swapping" to look down on you when you have nothing to trade.
*Ten*
And this is the exact sort of couple that I'd avoid. That's all it is is a swap to you? Just a cheap thrill? I've met many couples whom acted worse than a single guy. All they cared about was getting theirs even if that meant stepping on toes. There are just as many issues with couples as there is with single men. So you don't invite single women? They have enough to offer as well? I hate to break it to you but some couples like watching their partner with another man or woman and had nothing to do with both just getting laid etc. You make it sound so cheap. Anyway. Too many dipshits in this conversation. Have fun!
We enjoy double dating with couples, hanging out, the friendships that are made. Sitting next to your partner but teasing the person across the table. Read the profiles, many read "we play as a couple". We prefer swapping, and if I choose to solo I do it on my own time, not the time that is allotted for him. We are not looking for a single male and many couples are not. Look around, single guys are a dime a dozen. The original question was asking why you are here instead of on dating sights. Are you looking for connections and friendships or quick hook ups? Do you think married women are easier? I do not cuck my husband and he does not "just watch". If I am with another man then he is not around (unless that man's partner is there for my partner to play with). He knows who I am with and what the possible outcomes are (he knows who are just friends and who I fuck), but we never discuss details he just asks if I had fun. One of the best parts of swinging is that you make your own rules. Also, those rules change and evolve the more you are in the lifestyle. Once you are a part of a couple and you are sharing your wife then you will see things differently.
TENANDJOE wrote:
Once you are a part of a couple and you are sharing your wife then you will see things differently.
Been there. Did that. And that. And those. And them. And their friends. My viewpoint differs from yours now, and it did then as well. I'm not saying you are doing things wrong. Not at all. It's not my place, I am not you, and rules are couple specific. People need to realize that viewpoints such as yours aren't necessarily dickish. They are personal. This is a thing that deals with fucking, spraying DNA everywhere, dodging emotional mines, and **having fun as those involved see fit**.
"Diff'rent strokes" is a real thing for many people. Not just a show that broke a bunch of child actors.
Just when I thought I was out, they PULL me back in...
That point brings up another thought. I often say some single guys (and possibly gals, don't have as much...okay any experience with them) don't "get it" because they don't have any skin in the game. Many incorrectly assume that by that I mean they don't have a partner to swap. What I actually mean is what married guys (and girls) are putting at risk in swinging...their relationships (if anyone thinks that's not the case you are naive and should NOT be swinging) vs. what singles are risking in the lifestyle. That's a simplistic overview and doesn't really cover the full breadth of it but I'm too lazy to post a diatribe right now.
That point brings up another thought. I often say some single guys (and possibly gals, don't have as much...okay any experience with them) don't "get it" because they don't have any skin in the game. Many incorrectly assume that by that I mean they don't have a partner to swap. What I actually mean is what married guys (and girls) are putting at risk in swinging...their relationships (if anyone thinks that's not the case you are naive and should NOT be swinging) vs. what singles are risking in the lifestyle. That's a simplistic overview and doesn't really cover the full breadth of it but I'm too lazy to post a diatribe right now.
Someone just said: "One of the best parts of swinging is that you make your own rules." That would be true for me just as much as for a couple -- and is a major appeal to any prospective play within this scene. And the prospect of finding people (a couple, probably) who have already declared their intention, and who would include me, would eliminate some of the the many games that are played in the hookup world (which are no fun for me) on the way to "getting there". As to what is risked
[quote=DIMEADOZEN]Someone just said: "One of the best parts of swinging is that you make your own rules." That would be true for me just as much as for a couple -- and is a major appeal to any prospective play within this scene. And the prospect of finding people (a couple, probably) who have already declared their intention, and who would include me, would eliminate some of the the many games that are played in the hookup world (which are no fun for me) on the way to "getting there". As to what is risked
That wasn't so bad (so far). Thanks for going easy on me, Evil. I totally get what you are saying
ONEORTWO2011 wrote:
I have not been reading the last few pages, so I am out of step a little.
My reason for being here as a single guy is pretty simple. I like threesomes, and when I ask couples in the grocery store if they want to do dirty things to each other with me, it gets awkward.
That's cuz you're likely doing it wrong. First stake out a position in the produce section. Then grab a couple of nice big cantaloupes (or maybe casaba melons) in each hand. When a likely couple walks by give them a leering grin while holding up the melons. It helps to run your tongue seductively around your lips and maybe even throw in a few pelvic thrusts. Viola' hot threesome monkey sex...as soon as you get out of jail....
Alternatively you can hold a moderately sized banana squash in front of your crotch and give the male of the couple a longing look while stroking the squash in a masturbatory fashion. Good luck!
It does, but try to stifle the impulse to surf internet porn while you're there.
The one time I tried to surprise Ms. Evil with a threesome with a single guy for her birthday didn't work out well. The guy was acceptable but she found she didn't really enjoy being the center of attention. Go figure. And yeah, I had to give him the bad news that he needed to get dressed and leave.
Oddly she's since had more than a few threesomes with me and with the male half of couples we had developed a friendship with and enjoyed them very much. I guess for her it's a comfort/familiarity thing.
Oddly she's since had more than a few threesomes with me and with the male half of couples we had developed a friendship with and enjoyed them very much. I guess for her it's a comfort/familiarity thing.
TATTOOED_HOTTIE wrote:EVILDOERS wrote:
[quote=TATTOOED_HOTTIE]It's a totally different dynamic than hooking up with a single girl so to speak. That would be like asking why does a couple prefer to swing versus just have sex with each other.
Really? Well, cuz Ms. Evil and I have had sex like a bazillion times and it's fun to mix things up a little bit every once in a while. We probably fuck at LEAST 5 or 6 times a week. Let's see, carry the one, divide by the constant, account for wind velocity...hmmmm...yeah that's a LOT.
Fwiw, I don't know very many couples who PREFER to swing versus...I've known a few. They're no longer couples.
Let me rephrase that since you're clearly not the brightest bulb on the tree. You swing correct? Why? You must be some sort of weirdo. Sex with the misses isn't good enough? Why isn't that sufficient?? You obviously don't prefer to have sex with just your other half or you wouldn't even be on here genius. Oh let's see carry the one blah blah blah lol. God. Ok. Got it now? Made simple enough for you boy wonder?? Personally I'm tired of seeing you act like an ass then apologize for it and pretend you're not one. Have the misses sit on that big mouth of yours please and save us all from your whining!
Y'know what, Tattoed Hottie? (Boy, that name says a lot about your opinion of yourself - damn near everyone is tattooed nowadays, but you're the one that's a hottie.) You're either dead stupid or just plain nasty. You apparently can't even recognize sarcasm and/or satire. And having been on the site over a year and a half, you don't even have the excuse of not knowing that Evil's something of the court jester around here. Personally, I suspect you're just using it as an excuse to be nasty. What's the matter? Got self esteem issues? Need to feel superior to someone?
And as to your comments to Ten and Joe, yeah, Ten has a habit of being blunt and saying just what she thinks, but so what? She isn't entitled to her opinions? One of the main reasons I'm in this lifestyle, and was decades ago as a single, when it was damned near impossible for a single to even be involved at all, is that I love the open mindedness and attitude of doing what they feel is right, instead of what someone else says is right, that true swingers have. One of which you're apparently not. You, I'd guess are a single guy who hunts here because he wants to be sure that any woman he hits on has at least said, by being here, that she acknowledges and enjoys her sexuality for itself. After all, any girl in the vanilla world you try to pick up might be hung up on that old "sex only with my serious partner" thing, whether that involves actual marriage or not, and that probably scares the Hell out of you.
Of course, that's just a guess, but, whatever your problem, it's apparent that you just plain enjoy denigrating other people. If you don't like what someone wrote, unless it's directed at you personally (and this most certainly IS), you have no business, and no right, criticizing the writer. You can criticize what he or she says, but not the person who said it. Unless you see someone else jumping into someone else's personal shit, than criticize that person all you want, like I'm doing you right now.
And feel free to criticize me all you want. In the first place, from now on as soon as I see your name on a post, any post, I'm skipping it because jerks like you aggravate the Hell out of me, so I'll never see it. And secondly, feel free to call me stupid whenever you like. Not only will i never see it but, something I don't usually see any reason to ever mention to anyone, but in your case it seems necessary, I'm a member of MENSA. Or was, until I fonally decided it was kind of silly and not worth the dues. Which, since you're probably too ignorant to know, means that I have an IQ that's been certified as high enough to be higher than 98% of the entire human race. So know I that there's, at best, a 2% chance that I'm not smarter than a nasty idiot like you.
And by the way, you sent us an email, to my wife. Now, I never presume to tell her who to or not to play with, but she's read your crap here, and has the same opinion of you that I do. So don't hold your breath waiting for a response. Or maybe you should. Asphyxiation is probably as good a way as any to get rid of an asshole like you. My apologies for any typos. I don't have time to proofread it, I'll do it later, right now I need to go wash the taste of your bullshit out of my mouth ~ Terry
Court jester?!!?
More like village idiot.
More like village idiot.