I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me.
Anyone have a counter point?
Mav
Anyone have a counter point?
Mav
Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014.
No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you.
No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you.
Mavenx, I would say you are 100% correct! Craxydave7 offered to pay me to be the 2nd female. He has emailed me twice and offered free alcohol and to pay me cash. ( to cover my travel expenses ) I'm NOT a prostitute!
if you look no one has RSVP for the fun yet.... doubt any will but what happens if they don't get 30 guys to cover the House they are renting? is the money refundable? or does he keep it and say it went to the deposit that was non refundable?
Too many what ifs...
Too many what ifs...
we agree some of the prices for some of the parties whether they are a house or a bigger venue seem ridiculous. when you consider that sometimes more than 100 people join in even at 20 to 30 dollars. someone has got to make a buck out of it let alone if it is more. we understand there are costs to be covered and that is ok and if a buck is made great also. but sometimes it doesn't even seem like 100 bucks were spent on snacks or even alcohol mixers. probably wouldn't go to a 50 dollar venue unless I had heard good things about it but still pretty steep. we do appreciate all those that do offer good reasonably priced venues for us to have fun. thanks.
We have gone to events that ask and don't. But we always know up front what it is without guessing.
What if you showed up to a party in Park City in some ultra expensive room that cost $$$ with only one couple that expected you to foot half. Or a $ and 15 couples so be careful and don't get screwed and probably not laid either.
No matter what type of party it is we both go out of our way to respect peoples property as if it was out own and do anything we can to help the host if a problem comes up. We always look for something that needs to be picked up or cleaned so the host will hopefully have as much fun as we do.
So $ or not think about what your host has gone through to show you a good time and give a helping hand if nothing else.
What if you showed up to a party in Park City in some ultra expensive room that cost $$$ with only one couple that expected you to foot half. Or a $ and 15 couples so be careful and don't get screwed and probably not laid either.
No matter what type of party it is we both go out of our way to respect peoples property as if it was out own and do anything we can to help the host if a problem comes up. We always look for something that needs to be picked up or cleaned so the host will hopefully have as much fun as we do.
So $ or not think about what your host has gone through to show you a good time and give a helping hand if nothing else.
We've hosted smallish to not so small parties for friends and friends of friends for many years and never charged a dime (even when people have offered to help defray expenses). We even provide the food and drinks (unless someone is really picky about what they want to eat or drink, then they have to bring their own). It never really occurred to us to charge people for a party we were hosting. Personally I think that once you start charging admission it isn't really a party anymore but an event put on by a de facto business (a business that is most likely illegal in Utah). Not dissing those who want to defray the costs of a party but having been in the scene for many years we've seen all too often people decide that hosting parties for money is a great idea for a little side business or even as their day job. Almost invariably they eventually crash and burn or at very least alienate a few friends and acquaintances. Of course when these businesses start competing with each other the REAL fun starts. We've seen people even resort to calling the cops on each other when they were holding competing events on the same night. And yes, some of these events come dangerously close to prostitution especially when they strongly insinuate that you WILL get laid if you pay the fee and attend. There are a few out of state events currently being held that seem like little more than a paid sex transaction. As far as charging more for single males, at it's simplest it's a supply and demand issue but often it's outright exploitation. Of course when you consider the cost of a hooker, an evening browsing a room full of other men's wives is quite the bargain.YMMV
Once met a single dude at a party and he told me that brothels in Mexico are super cheap and you can pretty much do whatever you want for like 50 bucks. I offered him my elbow when he wanted to shake hands as I walked back to see what Ms. Evil was up to. 
Great theme parties are super fun... My fond memories of an exclusive "eyes Wide Shut " party in Draper will be hard to beat... it was pricey and tux required. 20 couples taken to a big rented mansion in two limos from a local Hotel.
However this booty call/Party for a 30 on 2 gang bang the OP refers to did seem like prostitution to me.
However this booty call/Party for a 30 on 2 gang bang the OP refers to did seem like prostitution to me.
I would be really careful going to a "party" like this. Over and above the possible ramifications if law enforcement showed up, we knew a guy a number of years ago who had a similar mindset and it turned out he was secretly videotaping his little orgies. Don't know if he sold the tapes or just kept them for his own perverse pleasure but the people at his parties had no idea they were being filmed.
CRAZYDAVE7 wrote:(M) Not interested in your event but that is my choice not to, discussing spacific people in a forum other than who posted it is a problem to me and should only be discussed in private with administration that's their job. Good luck with your event.
This is Dave, Crazydave7, First of all I have thrown parties for swingular friends twice at Grand America and multiple hotels and never charged a penny and just said BYOB . I offered a couple people a small amount of money to help them make it out to pay for gas , expenses which I guess was a mistake, I have never told anyone that I would pay them for sex, prostition etc. and I never would do that. The $50 dollars a person is going to the rental costs of the place im renting and expenses. The Orchard Party in Bountiful brought in much more than this charging upto $85 per couple if any of you remember plus a bottle of alcohol to share . Which is fine if you charge is and people are willing to pay it then please dont complain, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything, The woman at my party are volunteering because they love the lifestyle, they are not being paid a red cent. So please lets all be civil and stop trying to ruin my reputation I have worked so hard to obtain. Thank you .
We have hosted a few small(4 or 5 couples and a couple singles of both sexes) parties and usually rent a larger 3 bedroom condo. We always cover the cost and provide snacks and soft drinks. The only thing we ask our guest to bring is whatever they may want to drink and their sexy selves. If you're asking for money then it seems your guests become more like clients IMHO.
MrsTj
MrsTj
bar b que...pool, music with friends. I think Evil has it right, if there is a favorite drink, and if we don't have it fine, but friends just bring your wonderful selves!
That's how we roll!
That's how we roll!
OMG! STOP THE DRAMA...! We always cover the cost of hotels, Dinners and provide alcohol,snacks and soft drinks AND invite over just nice people.. No reason to be rude either way.. our 2 cents
Yup, watchout. Everyone knows that lawyers specializing in swinger law are sharks. How DARE you impugn his good...er...swinger name. I doubt you could win a libel suit for discrediting a pseudonym, Matlock.
CRAZYDAVE7 wrote:
UTAH_GIRL is a out and out liar and I never offered her money and dont remember even talking to her about my party, I have talked to an attorney and anyone using my profile name in these posts and discrediting me in any way will face legal charges . I have never offered anyone money for a party. I have never paid for sex and If these posts are not deleted soon there will be hell to pay with my attorney. i have never been publicall attacked and I am not going to start now .
Really? It has come to this on here?
I agree with utahcouple4play. Its not right to call people out and use peoples names on the forum.
Now CrazyDave7 has threatened me. Guess I should just copy and post his email that he sent to me. Maybe that would freshen his memory! Guess the name fits! Crazy!!
**Right on! Posting the email he sent Utah-Girl would certainly not be impinging upon his good name, just sharing with the world the great things he has to say :-)
UTAH_GIRL wrote:
Now CrazyDave7 has threatened me. Guess I should just copy and post his email that he sent to me. Maybe that would freshen his memory! Guess the name fits! Crazy!!
Share with the group
Oh no! Looks like KNR84088 is taking over the recruiting for a woman for CrazyDave7
WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me.
Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people.
And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge.
Mav
Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people.
And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge.
Mav
room cost ?100.00?
30 guys to bring 50 bucks and snacks and drinks
$1,500
no cash to the gal who's doing all the work or pleasure.
1,400
wow what a profit
30 guys to bring 50 bucks and snacks and drinks
$1,500
no cash to the gal who's doing all the work or pleasure.
1,400
wow what a profit
Maybe itSheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved.
Mav
Mav
Yeah parties are a business...
We laugh at invites for $$ We get it, but it's funny. Like saying I know where a great party is going and we are invited. Then head down to the hottest club in town...Pay a cover.
What we found was a great program, in Florida and So Cal was places that have a membership. Pay for the year and go when you want, with a nominal bottle fee or tips for the bartender with a small cover for the janitorial fee, etc. Like 15.00 for the couples. There are always members who help with the party. There were BBQ Sundays, potluck Thursdays, Fri and Sat was a local band.
Single males always get fucked because that is what they are there to do... The old saying "The fucking you get for the fucking you do." LOL! Trust me when I tell you those with a female pay quite a bit even though it is not at the door. You know; that lingerie or lost high heel..
We kinda stopped going to parties, when we would show up to a house with a bowl of stale chips and few not so party looking (dressed) or scantily dressed, folks there sitting in a kitchen chair with a 12 pack. Being charged 25.00 for entry and being told after entering "it is early yet." 11pm really? This wasn't Vegas or Miami... Kinda like a kids BBQ.
So now if there is an email with manners, we may meet. Skip the whole party business, (did you catch the pun?) See how I opened with the business is a party... Then ended with the party business...
We laugh at invites for $$ We get it, but it's funny. Like saying I know where a great party is going and we are invited. Then head down to the hottest club in town...Pay a cover.
What we found was a great program, in Florida and So Cal was places that have a membership. Pay for the year and go when you want, with a nominal bottle fee or tips for the bartender with a small cover for the janitorial fee, etc. Like 15.00 for the couples. There are always members who help with the party. There were BBQ Sundays, potluck Thursdays, Fri and Sat was a local band.
Single males always get fucked because that is what they are there to do... The old saying "The fucking you get for the fucking you do." LOL! Trust me when I tell you those with a female pay quite a bit even though it is not at the door. You know; that lingerie or lost high heel..
We kinda stopped going to parties, when we would show up to a house with a bowl of stale chips and few not so party looking (dressed) or scantily dressed, folks there sitting in a kitchen chair with a 12 pack. Being charged 25.00 for entry and being told after entering "it is early yet." 11pm really? This wasn't Vegas or Miami... Kinda like a kids BBQ.
So now if there is an email with manners, we may meet. Skip the whole party business, (did you catch the pun?) See how I opened with the business is a party... Then ended with the party business...
Here's what he sent me:
------Original Message------
------Original Message------
Screw the emails to the ladies asking for volunteers to be banged. Okay, maybe "screw" is a poor choice of words. Besides they could probably just forward the emails to Rob and CRAZYDAVE would be gone faster than you can say "liar liar pants on fire".
What I REALLY wanna see is any correspondence between the plaintiff, heretofore referred to as CRAZYDAVE and his council, heretofore known as Bob The Ambulance Chaser Esq.. I'm imagining it going something like this...
CD: They're being mean to me on an internet swing site.
Lawyer: Who is this?
CD: It's CD, CRAZYDAVE.
Lawyer: Oh, you again. How did you get this number?
CD: Look I've got a REALLY good case THIS time. We'll both be rich!
Lawyer: Oh yeah? Like the last one where you wanted to sue your neighbor for glancing over at your open window while you were naked and then he wouldn't pay you for the "free peep show"?
CD: No, really. This time I have a winner. These people are accusing me of all sorts of vile things like practically promoting prostitution. It's giving a bad...er name to the name that I made up and WORSE it's making more people aware of my questionable little business practices.
Lawyer: Your business prac...? Uh, listen Mr., uh DAVE, is it? Even IF I somehow lost my mind entirely and brought this before a judge you'd probably be arrested on a number of charges as we left the courtroom after the preliminary hearing. This kind of "business" isn't exactly legal here behind The Zion Curtain.
CD: Whatdaya mean?!!? This is unfair! I demand my constitutional rights! I'm gonna call Cliven Bundy and get me some gol durned militia! Where's the human shiel...er I mean women and children?
You ain't heard the LAST of CRAZYDAVE!
Lawyer: *click* Marge could you call the phone company and tell them I need another new phone number. And cancel my afternoon. I'm going to Million Dollar for lunch and then going to play 18 holes.
What I REALLY wanna see is any correspondence between the plaintiff, heretofore referred to as CRAZYDAVE and his council, heretofore known as Bob The Ambulance Chaser Esq.. I'm imagining it going something like this...
CD: They're being mean to me on an internet swing site.
Lawyer: Who is this?
CD: It's CD, CRAZYDAVE.
Lawyer: Oh, you again. How did you get this number?
CD: Look I've got a REALLY good case THIS time. We'll both be rich!
Lawyer: Oh yeah? Like the last one where you wanted to sue your neighbor for glancing over at your open window while you were naked and then he wouldn't pay you for the "free peep show"?
CD: No, really. This time I have a winner. These people are accusing me of all sorts of vile things like practically promoting prostitution. It's giving a bad...er name to the name that I made up and WORSE it's making more people aware of my questionable little business practices.
Lawyer: Your business prac...? Uh, listen Mr., uh DAVE, is it? Even IF I somehow lost my mind entirely and brought this before a judge you'd probably be arrested on a number of charges as we left the courtroom after the preliminary hearing. This kind of "business" isn't exactly legal here behind The Zion Curtain.
CD: Whatdaya mean?!!? This is unfair! I demand my constitutional rights! I'm gonna call Cliven Bundy and get me some gol durned militia! Where's the human shiel...er I mean women and children?
You ain't heard the LAST of CRAZYDAVE!
Lawyer: *click* Marge could you call the phone company and tell them I need another new phone number. And cancel my afternoon. I'm going to Million Dollar for lunch and then going to play 18 holes.
Evildoers
This is your best post yet
This is your best post yet
Naw. I outsource all my humor to India. I have a guy (Sanjeet, but you can call him Ted) in Mumbai who writes all my material. He works really cheap and it gives me more time to devote to FarmVille.
EVILDOERS wrote:
Naw. I outsource all my humor to India. I have a guy (Sanjeet, but you can call him Ted) in Mumbai who writes all my material. He works really cheap and it gives me more time to devote to FarmVille.
This made me laugh.
Too funny.
Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!!
Sorry I must abstain from the jury role. I am privy to I formation not available on this site. But I think this has been a funny circus to watch. Just waiting for the dancing elephants
The way this is headed he'll be LUCKY to get a couple of dancing elephants as orgy fodder for his little party.
Ok guys Pete here, I have been in the lifestyle for over TEN Years. I have been a couple, a single male and now a couple again. First let me say that MY Fiance and I are party hosts. No matter how many guests at the party it is hard to cover costs. Even when we have 100 paying members at a party we still make very little because we provide our guests with everything they could desire in a party. checkout our website: http://www.paradisepartiesfl.com with that being said, swinging is about couples interacting with other couples. The only thing that either single male or female for that matter are really involved in swinging for is to satisfy SOME and I stress some fantasies. We only allow 1 single male per 10 couples! no more ever, we charge $75 per single male! the reason we charge so much is it keeps the riff raff out of the club. With the small amount of single males we allow in the couples who have the fantasy of DP or orgy are satisfied and the others are not bothered because of the small numbers of single males. the single males are happy because they have a greater chance of getting some.....
RICKYANDJESS wrote:I have also noticed that when you don't host you always bring a large bottle of Patron. Not expected by any means, but appreciated. lol I have also hosted many parties with friends, and we have never charged anything other than suggest BYOB but if they don't there is always plenty to share. We always invite a few single males and we never have too many because it is quite easy to only provide the address to those you would like to attend.
OMG! STOP THE DRAMA...! We always cover the cost of hotels, Dinners and provide alcohol,snacks and soft drinks AND invite over just nice people.. No reason to be rude either way.. our 2 cents
Lawyer: *click* Marge could you call the phone company and tell them I need another new phone number. And cancel my afternoon. I'm going to Million Dollar for lunch and then going to play 18 holes.[/quote]
I assume you are referring to golf. Would recommend you outsource your writing to Bangladesh, they work a lot cheaper (28 cents an hour) and you can make a little bit on the side from their cold call Viagra sales.
I assume you are referring to golf. Would recommend you outsource your writing to Bangladesh, they work a lot cheaper (28 cents an hour) and you can make a little bit on the side from their cold call Viagra sales.
So this sounds like we need to change the names to protect the innocent,
he should be referred to as the performer formally known as.
he should be referred to as the performer formally known as.
Looking at the big picture, we live in a democratic republic fueled by capitalism (above & below ground), supply & demand, regional influences, & profitability curves based on diminishing returns....we also pay a lot for our addictions, be it tech toys, clothes, homes, cars, sex, etc......the bottom line is, the consumer sets the price by the demand pressures placed on available supplies or services.....if $50 is a current rate, so be it....some people will pay & feel like its a great deal while others may sense its too much to pay....the back story of the $50 charge is, a guy might meet his future wife, or network about employment opportunities, or get laid, or even meet some interesting folks to recreate with outside of sexual orgies, or meet a regular swinging partner......In another lifetime, when I worked in the movie industry, my set carpenter foreman had created a wood carving that hung over his office door...it read..." ART.....is anything you can get away with"...............that fits !
MAGICMIKE wrote:
Call me "krazy" but being surrounded by 29 other guys and just 2 girls doesn't sound like a party to me at all. Now if the roles were reversed and it was 30 girls and 2 guys. That would be a party. Anyone throwing a party like that? haha
LOL we were thinking the same thing!
I completely agree with devianttongue I've always had fun at his parties I've met awesome people I'm going tonight just to mingle as much as anything
NINEINCHLAYTONMALE wrote:plus lumpy sis right there too
I completely agree with devianttongue I've always had fun at his parties I've met awesome people I'm going tonight just to mingle as much as anything
MAVENX wrote:
SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved.
Mav
Quick Question for you Mav... So if I ask you to take me to dinner & pay. I tell you to furnish condoms, lubrication, drinks, & a ride home when we play. Does that make me a prostitute? Or Am I a Lady expecting you to be a Gentleman. * Magic xo
So last night was amazing
Last night was very nice. Pressure free and I was very impressed with the manners of the guys. I (Male half) did not participate, but my lady was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for the show ladies. As for the drama in here, lots of pots calling kettles black. And because you don't feel like a sexual situation is for you, don't try to fuck it up for those that do. There are women that fantasize about a gang bang. Because you are classy (LOL) and do your gang bangs 1 dick at a time does not give you the right to tear someone else's fantasy night down. I think in this life we have all been asked to do things that we find unpleasant. Imagine if we posted them all?
Can i get an amen from the congregation!
2MUSTBEBETTER wrote:
Last night was very nice. Pressure free and I was very impressed with the manners of the guys. I (Male half) did not participate, but my lady was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for the show ladies. As for the drama in here, lots of pots calling kettles black. And because you don't feel like a sexual situation is for you, don't try to fuck it up for those that do. There are women that fantasize about a gang bang. Because you are classy (LOL) and do your gang bangs 1 dick at a time does not give you the right to tear someone else's fantasy night down. I think in this life we have all been asked to do things that we find unpleasant. Imagine if we posted them all?
Hey that's what he through out there......take it or leave it simple as that no drama
OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties.
A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014.
Mav
A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014.
Mav
MAVENX wrote:
OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties.
A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014.
Mav
I didn't DEMAND that you take me to dinner, I simply asked. I can only imagine all of the
women lined up at your door waiting, so you can stick your dick in them & send them home. Thank You
for letting me know I'm a prostitute for asking such a question, even though there was no
intention of monetary value for me. I suppose that asking for some time to get to know each other
& entrusting you to keep me safe is out of the question. * Magic
I have been to many of Crazy Daves parties he is nothing but respectful to everyone especially the women. The fees do cover the parties it's expensive to rent a hotel or house especially on a fri or sat, we have had pizza at hotel parties of his, and other foods as well as mixers and he always shares alcohol, and has even let people stay overnight in the hotel room should they need to. It's always a good time, plus you never know if everyone that rsvp will show up you can have 60 people say they are coming and maybe 20-30 will show up so it's certainly not to make money half the time you don't even get all your costs reimbursed.
God I love a bashing party and with nothing to do can't resist jumping in. Even though I love to be a smart ass sorry Dave I can't bash you, you did nothing wrong by defending yourself against this garbage post and have harmed me in no way so maybe another time. As for the rest of you that have spoken wisdom and given me the right to express mine I thank you.
Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them.
You have made a total of 6 comments.
First Comment
I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me.
OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to.
Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer
GILDETHRILL wrote
I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs!
Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014.
Mav you said.
No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you.
WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all?
Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were.
Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you.
WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me.
Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people.
And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge.
Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote
Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls.
You said
SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved.
Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money.
So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway.
Next you said
Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!!
Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it?
Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah )
Then comes this piece of work
OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties.
A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014.
You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE.
What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk.
If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation.
Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them.
You have made a total of 6 comments.
First Comment
I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me.
OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to.
Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer
GILDETHRILL wrote
I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs!
Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014.
Mav you said.
No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you.
WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all?
Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were.
Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you.
WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me.
Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people.
And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge.
Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote
Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls.
You said
SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved.
Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money.
So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway.
Next you said
Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!!
Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it?
Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah )
Then comes this piece of work
OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties.
A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014.
You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE.
What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk.
If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation.
"Hell, Just Shoot The Bastards! Quote (Gen. George S. Custer) Just before the Little Big Horn!
yeah that went over well for him
50 dollar smalll fee? what am I a single male or something? Sheeeeeiiit!
MYRNASTWINS wrote:
"Hell, Just Shoot The Bastards! Quote (Gen. George S. Custer) Just before the Little Big Horn!
LMFAO ~ OMG I'M LAUGHING SO HARD I'M IN TEARS!! My husband just says, "I wouldn't waist my bullet".
WHYNOTSAYHI wrote:
yeah that went over well for him
Hi Baby ~ It's good to know there are still a few SINGLE GENTLEMEN on this sight.
Yer the Best... xo