Swingers on Swingular - Swingers Forum - Swinging and the Mormon Church

I've been talking to several people (both members and non-members) about the law of chastity within the LDS church recently, and I'm curious for another perspective. I know there are those within the lifestyle who are also active members of the LDS church. I suspect that some may even be active temple goers. For those people, my question is: How do you mesh those two sides of your life?

For those who aren't active LDS church-goers, is there an equivalent to the law of chastity in whatever religion or spiritual dogma you follow, and if so, same question. If you are non-religious or there is no law of chastity counterpart, I'm still interested in your input. I just don't know what questions to ask.

Well we're atheists so...yeah, no meshing necessary.

Anybody wanna mesh around?

We know and have known many active Mormon swingers over the years and I think they pretty much have a personal "don't ask don't tell" policy. And, of course, they lie...to their Bish or whoever when asked if they're chaste and stuff. I'm fairly certain most religions pretty much frown on wife swapping and most other forms of sexual relations with someone other than your God approved spouse. So I think the bottom line for most people who espouse a religion would be denial or simply willful disregard of THAT particular religious doctrine. However, as FORMER Mormons (well raised that way, anyway) we do know that there is sort of a loophole that many may not be aware of so you can basically fuck other peeps (and do other naughty shit...short of murder) and still go to heaven...eventually. Check out D&C 132:26. Now the way I interpret that "scripture" I'm pretty much covered (even though I'm an atheist) and will still get to go to heaven and stuff if on the VERY slim chance I'm wrong and it isn't all bullshit. ;-)

If you search Google for blogs on Mormon swingers, you find some pretty interesting stuff.

Yeah I don't think they quite realize the irony of their expectations of chastity juxtaposed with the reality of their history. There goes that denial thing again. LMAO!

thanks for the search tip cousette! agree very interesting reading and good to know we are not alone lol. Love your "vantage point" slccouplefun, gives a whole new meaning to getting your rocks off. hubby never thought he could be so jealous of a rock lol

Yep. Mormons totally have a corner on the hypocrisy market.

I don

Actually I know of quite a few religions that at one time or another condoned something fairly similar to swinging (at least the multiple partner aspect) but alas it was usually reserved for the more elite members of the group if not solely the leader(s).

Let me repeat that just to make sure everyone heard me...............fuck, I hate it when there's a glitch in the Matrix. There is no spoon!

I'd rather be known in life as an honest sinner than a lying hypocrit! Just sayin'

I remember trying to talk my female cousin out of getting married in the temple because I didn't like the wording of D&C 132. It's basically sexist as hell. If I remember correctly, the man can still take as many wives as he wants but the women are bound only to the one guy. So if a couple gets married in the temple and divorces, the guy can go marry as many times as he wants, yet each bride can not fuck or marry anyone else. It also rubs me wrong that after all these years the mormon church has not changed the wording of 132 because it is very pro polygamy. I also remember wanting to scream at a former female boss at her christian wedding because everything that came out of the preachers mouth was about how she should be a good little wife and be a good little slave to her man because apparently that's what the bible and God wants. Religion is very sexist. However, some of the kinkiest and most sex obsessed people I have ever met were religious. We all have our quirks and secrets. Most of us have to hide our wild sides for professional or family reasons. So if religious people can handle swinging and go about their normal lives, good for them. On a side note, if you enjoy reading, check out Under the Banner of Heaven. Very good book.

For the ones saying swinging isn't exactly WWJD

EVILDOERS wrote:

Well we're atheists so...yeah, no meshing necessary.

Anybody wanna mesh around?

We would LOVE to...but we don't believe in it.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Great thing about growing up is you get to decide what you believe, like many on here I grew up LDS, so someone else told me what I believed (like most of us) also told me what I was good at...and not so good at. I respect what I was taught, but at some point in my life, I got to come to my own conclusions on life, and who I am...and love it. Get to be pretty much the same person everywhere I go. I do happen to believe in a higher power, and not going to share my reasons why...just don't think the higher power is all that concerned with the lifestyle probably more concerned with who we are and what we do with our lives (don't mean monetarily)more character, what we do for others and the balance we have in our lives. Personally, I have not been to a church (other than the occasional missionary farewell for 30 years. The last time I went 3 years or so ago, I was the only person in the congregation that was not wearing a white shirt...was kind of sad.
Not sure who said it, but my favorite quote is: "would that the man that I ought to be, might in his time be possible...be actual for far away in the years it is his turn". Enjoy life...and do your best...keep your word and believe in yourself and others. Who cares who goes to church and who might be a hypocrite...just do your best and get the most out of life and...maybe we will get to see what is on the other side...and maybe not.

I hate to even attempt to jump into this one... but, here are my .73 cents worth (inflation sucks)...

Religion has largely, over the ages, been about problem solving. Ask yourself any of these questions or hundreds of others, and they are answered somewhere in any given religion depending on the needs at that particular time in history. And yes, some issues have always been in existence and will continue to be in need to have a solution. Others are sorrily antiquated:
How do we keep people from lying, cheating and stealing? Make it a sin answerable to any given higher power...
How do we keep women, who aren't allowed to hold any respectable wage earning job, and yet at the same time have lost a husband to hardship or war from becoming a burden on society? We institute and endorse polygamy...
How do we keep a male spouse, who we rely upon for our and our children's very existence, bonded to the family unit - institute great punishment and humiliation for "coveting thy neighbor"...
How do we keep young women from getting pregnant and once again being a burden on society? Make it immoral to have relations before you have secured a man to support you...
What happens to us when we die? (A pretty scary subject for a lot of people) We instill peace with knowledge there is something more to look forward to...
The list goes on and on. Yes, religion is relaxing and changing. but at a snails pace...

With all this in mind, should it come as any great surprise, in this day and age, with our overall advanced physical knowledge, advances in birth control and medicine, job equality and self sufficiency that singles and couples alike are bucking the current religious teachings and getting together with other couples and singles (and sometimes all of the above!) with the sole intent of enjoying sex with one another? - one of the most powerful and magical quality human beings are allowed to enjoy - No surprise here!
Take it or leave it...

EVILDOERS wrote:

Actually I know of quite a few religions that at one time or another condoned something fairly similar to swinging (at least the multiple partner aspect) but alas it was usually reserved for the more elite members of the group if not solely the leader(s).

Yes, there always seems to be exceptions for the elite.

Oh, by the by. You can delete the duplicates.

Yeah I know...but what fun would that be?

Bible Study? who the f^$k cares? if you really do? you shouldn't be here....Wolf

I went swimming in a Mormon church once. I was like 8 years old. Wasn't very fun. The pool was REALLY small and my dad kept trying to push me under the water and then he started talking to imaginary people and stuff. Weirded me the fuck out. But the water was nice and warm.

Oops...my bad. Thought it said SWIMMING not swinging. Damned non-retina display. Where are my fucking reading glasses?

EVILDOERS wrote:

I went swimming in a Mormon church once. I was like 8 years old. Wasn't very fun. The pool was REALLY small and my dad kept trying to push me under the water and then he started talking to imaginary people and stuff. Weirded me the fuck out. But the water was nice and warm.

Oops...my bad. Thought it said SWIMMING not swinging. Damned non-retina display. Where are my fucking reading glasses?

we are going to start telling people that when they ask what ward we are in!!!!! lol

Uh...guys...don't know if you know this or not but you were totally photobombed by a turtle.

If we're mistaken and that's actually a photo of the two of you paddling around in the baptismal font at Temple Square we SINCERELY apologize and suggest you ask Santa for a new underwater camera for Xmas. That one is (hopefully) defective.

Well

Really? Well, only if you consider a swinger one of those dudes who wanna get theirs but their spouse isn't allowed to play with others. Don't think he ever gave Emma a threesome or a gang bang for her birthday.

SLCCOUPLEFUN wrote:

From where I'm sitting, it seems the LDS faith was founded on principles including emotional and spiritual faithfulness, not sexual exclusivity...just saying.

WOW WELL SAID!!!.....I was married for 16 years and never did anything and barely had sex with my now lesbian X wife....I don't think I am all that different now as I was then....Just a nice guy who likes to give pleasure to someone that likes adult fun....If there is a God...and I think there is because some women call out his name during erotic encounters with me..... He will judge me how I live.....So Merry Christmas.....Good Will and Multiple Orgasms to all

Life is short, if it feels good and you and your spouse agree, why not?

If you go to the Moromon church for anything except to throw eggs you are stupid.

SHADOWINGWHISPERS wrote:

Well the natural man is an enemy to God... so honestly I agree with the whole double life thing, people are who they are, put on a facade to the majority. With Organized religion there is always a level of hypocrisy.

Be discrete and let people be who they want to be. Whether you're Atheist, apart of Scientology , Lds, Catholic or most anything in society other than our awesome little group of swingers, you put on a face with everyone and let go here, so who is to say what is right or wrong? You're all on some kind of level of pervert so really there is no, "he is more of one than I." You are being promiscuous, or sleeping with a married person or being married and sexually not limited to your significant other.

Sinners are everywhere, some justify their actions and are more comfortable with "letting go". Everyone's right or wrong varies and for those who decide to give in to their "wrong" all the sudden see the light and it's okay to do now, WOOPI!!

I guess what I mean to say is: WHO CARES WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING WITH THEIR LIFE AND THEIR CHOICES!

Totally agree. Key is being open and honest with your spouse.

What I do not understand is how anyone can believe that any church is the true faith and yet deny one or more of its major tenets. To me you either believe it or you do not. If you do not then you move on to something else. That does not mean that you have to hate those that follow that faith.

To begin with, I am ex-LDS. Personally I don

Sorry if someone already said this (I didn't take time to read all of the replies).
As far as I am concerned, Joseph Smith was the very first Mormon swinger. Need I say more??

There are a few points that came from being a member of the LDS church that I very thoroughly belie in! One of them I believe we ALL practice!!!
EVERYONE GO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, AND THEIR NEIGHBOR, AND THEIR NEIGHBOR, AND THEIR NEIGHBOR and IF YOU CAN MAKE IT AN ORGY JUST GO TO BLOCK PARTY, LMAO!!!

I Love belonging to a Church where my publicly professed beliefs match my internal values. It just feels good.

BEARZYKINS wrote:

PALS4FUN wrote:

I Love belonging to a Church where my publicly professed beliefs match my internal values. It just feels good.

Wait, there's a swinger church?!

Yes, the Church of Pals4Fun is now open, please cum worship at the alter! I think that you're just teasing but might be a tad serious in your comment so I wanted to reply although it's a very difficult topic and tough to articulate.

No, I don't know of any church-of-the-wild-and-crazy-swingers. But I DO enjoy belonging to a Church that does not issue broad sweeping edicts REQUIRING certain behaviour by people so as to assure that ya'll are exactly like me. I like differences. I like differing beliefs or opinions. I like the fact that I couldn't be excommunicated for being gay for example. I can not be tossed aside because I swing nor can I toss you aside because you swing or are bisexual.

So all I'm saying is that I enjoy belonging to a Church that outwardly espouses a view that agrees with mine -- I(we) don't have all the answers so I'm not going to condemn you for where you are in your journey of self-discovery and life. I'm going to join you, talk with you, and discuss things. Maybe I'M the one who'll end up changing and you're not "wrong" at all. (in whatever it is that you believe)

Sheez, see? I told ya I'd have trouble articulating it. Sorry to wander from the OP's initial topic on Mormonism.

We are LDS and have no issue being in the lifestyle. Go figure. But we are probably the exception. For us we view it like this...when asked if we have sexual relations outside the bounds of our marriage our answer is no. And what we do sexually as a married couple behind closed doors is private. If she wants me and a dildo at the same time...our private choice as a couple. If she wants my cock along with another mans cock at the same time...still sex between us and our own decision.

The church does not ask what takes place between a couple behind closed doors. No more their business if I have her tied down and using a dildo on her than if she has another woman's pussy in her mouth while I'm inside her from behind.

DELICIOUSLYWET wrote:

Well if we were to go to a church again we do not think it would be Mormonism. We are being pretty faithful to the Paleolithic diet and avoiding grains especially processed grains so the white bread sacrament just would not work. The bread would have to do the transubstantiation routine and become meat so we could stay on our diet. Jesting aside, all organized religions, in the educated world, and even here in America, are experiencing some loss in membership due to something I have heard referred to as the "Great Google Apostasy." In a nut shell the free and open access to information available via the internet allows existing memberships and all those being proselyted to join a religion to research the history of a church and it's founders without all the omission of facts and the spin the churches often require to get and maintain a commitment. Access to information based on scientific study is also readily available and therefore people can learn for themselves all the evidence out there that might help them understand and accept their doubt about the religion of their upbringing and other helpful discoveries like the normality of their sexuality. Once all the cognitive dissonance is gone and they are individually free there still may or more likely probably will remain the familial and social ties and support system within the church that are compelled to do everything in their power to recapture what they consider a wayward soul. If that does not work then there may be some form of formal and informal shunning. It is so much easier to be able to just say "I do not believe it" and to be able to explain for a couple of hours all the reasons why you came to that decision with references sufficient to be left alone and then to live your life as you desire then to fake it. You have to be able to tell them with absolutely no shame whatsoever and to call them on it when they try and shame you for being honest with yourself. I think for some faking it is perhaps far less painful than the familial shunning that might await them. We are from a religious background and tradition and for the most part everyone close to us and even casual acquaintances are cool with our absolute loss of faith in the organized church we attended. Some even know about this activity just a little and we get along fine with a don't ask don't tell policy. It probably helps that we have taken good care of our family and our lives and our kids are successful and more importantly happy and we are there for extended family as needed. You do not have to be religious or monogamous to be part of the backbone of your family, community, place of employment etc. It is happening to the Catholic Church in some of it's traditional strong holds like Ireland where we spent most of May just like it is happening here in Utah with the LDS Church. As for Chastity and fidelity we see our relationship and manage our relationship in accordance with our basic nature. Which happens to agree hence 30 plus happy years together and going strong. We are what science refers to as a pair bonded couple, which is pretty common in nature. Not exactly monogamous but choosing to live life together and to be the primary object of each others sexual attention and interest. We are not what science calls "Tournament mating" sorts that do not bond by nature for life. Humans can be either and both are normal. We are just behaving normally for who we are. A common conflict in marriage is to have one spouse really more a tournament sort and the other a pair bonding sort and for the conflict in their basic nature to end in division. Churches seem to think everybody has to be a heterosexual pair bonding sort, with no philandering and if they are not it is sin. Science says otherwise.

I couldn't agree more, this was refreshing to hear.

I think Brigham would have wanted it this way. Well with all the wives and such. You know that fucker pulled and prayed with all those wives he wasn't just trying to procreate.

007hottie nailed it in their answer.