Swingers Forum - LDS Survey Results

Wish we could put a poll on the census so we could find out exactly what percentage of utahns are swingers. I'm thinking 25% of couples swing.

There's NO possible way this poll can be accurate.
22% of the males say they've had guy-on-guy sex?
Yeah, right.
We all know from the profiles and what the guys say here in other threads that there's no such thing.

ROFLMFAO

CARRIERMANANDGEEKGIRL wrote:

There's NO possible way this poll can be accurate.
22% of the males say they've had guy-on-guy sex?
Yeah, right.
We all know from the profiles and what the guys say here in other threads that there's no such thing.

ROFLMFAO

Wouldn't be that hard to believe if you lived in Utah. There is a surprisingly large bi or gay population in the LDS church that hide who they are. They tried to live a "normal" life by marrying in the Temple and fulfilling their church callings. Some try to "cure" it. Some try to stuff it down. And others try to save the marriage and act out through swinging.

Hmmm. Maybe I should think about going back... I'd love that conversation with the Bishop. "No, I don't want any callings. Do you know of any couples that like to swing in this ward?"

And I'd like to second blueidkat's comment. Utah has a huge gay mormon community. Lot's of suicides here come from that fact. Pretty sad.

Holy shit this is funny!!!!

Im guessing that the catholics, baptists and no other religion beside the lds teach morality and have standard that they teach. Now I can take it all in stride and eve.n laugh about most of it and i'm sure its because were in utah but it was just a thought. Plus Am I the only one that blesses the condoms, before I use them .

[quote=EVILDOERS]Along that same vein...who (besides us) makes their Jello shots in sac
rament cups? ;-)[/qu
ote]


DAMN YOU'RE CHEAP:-) that's not even a ounce. There's more booze.in a punch bowl at singles ward social or famliy home evening.

BLUEIDKAT wrote:

CARRIERMANANDGEEKGIRL wrote:

There's NO possible way this poll can be accurate.
22% of the males say they've had guy-on-guy sex?
Yeah, right.
We all know from the profiles and what the guys say here in other threads that there's no such thing.

ROFLMFAO

Wouldn't be that hard to believe if you lived in Utah. There is a surprisingly large bi or gay population in the LDS church that hide who they are. They tried to live a "normal" life by marrying in the Temple and fulfilling their church callings. Some try to "cure" it. Some try to stuff it down. And others try to save the marriage and act out through swinging.

If there are "normal" people in Utah - don't expect a visit from us any time soon.
Normal people scare the hell outa us.

LUCKYWONS wrote:

Okay, I don't know if this ship has already sailed or not but I would like to put my two cents in, with inflation I'm not even sure they are worth that much but here goes...

We are in Utah, so the most common religion is Mormonism, which makes this poll most applicable to the demographic, however I know that we mormons don't have a corner on the morality market, many religions would probably not look favorably on my lifestyle participation the good news is that it really isn't their business so I'm not terribly worried about it at the moment. That being said I still believe the main tenates of the faith, and accordingly I respect the rights of others to do the same, I am totally capable of lau

ghing at myself and my faith, but there are times when cleverness verges on immaturity. I would like to think that we are all in this lifestyle because it was the choice th.at made us happy, and not because it would bother our visiting teachers. This is my choice and had absolutely NOTHING to do with how other p&&eople would react, I'm sure it is the same for all of you. Finally I have to share one addage. 'moving to Utah and complaining about the mormons is a little like moving to the Vatican and complaining about the Catholics'

I like it:-) we agree and feel the same way for the most part. We belive that most of the things thst are taught with good intentions and meanings. We belive thst repression in the church have done harm to some and good for others. we think that its getting better lol snd we do this not to offend or rub it in others faces. There are alot of good & not so good people in the church and in all faiths. To each their own and would never judge any other for their choice. Amen lol

I agree with Spedex. It looks like another opportunity to bash people of the most-common faith.

Who cares what brought people to this lifestyle? We're here and enjoying it, meeting lots of others with similar desires.

As much as I like people in the lifestyle, I respect people of the LDS faith. If people choose to follow a different path, so be it.

LUCKYWONS wrote:

Okay, I don't know if this ship has already sailed or not but I would like to put my two cents in, with inflation I'm not even sure they are worth that much but here goes...

..."Finally I have to share one addage. 'moving to Utah and complaining about the mormons is a little like moving to the Vatican and complaining about the Catholics'

Except this is America and Vatican is its own country.. Very different for all of us Americans but something that seems to be lost on some Mormons if you read about what folks say and do up on the capital hill..


I find this thread funny. I think the next poll should solicit everyone for additions to the list of questions first. I should have let this thread die but I am tired of hearing " If you dont like it here move"

I really wish the Indian chiefs ran the country. I think it would be a better place. Maybe not as high tech.

for your next survey I would suggest getting their bishop's name and number so we can verify the accuracy of their replies - LOL

HOTTYZX2 wrote:

Oh yeah just cuz lds is one of the main religions does not mean it is the most common if you put all Christian religions together and I mean all of them including Mormons catholic etc all combined there is only six hundred million more Christians ( as a whole. ) than the Islam religion making them the most common. So no one is bashing on the most common religion because so far I am the only one to bring up Islamic religion. We are bashing on poser two faced punks..

The problem with your argument is you didn't comprehend what you read.

LUCKYWONS wrote:

We are in Utah, so the most common religion is Mormonism, which makes this poll most applicable to the demographic,

In other words, Here in Utah the most common religion is Mormonism, which makes this poll most applicable to the demographic (i.e. Utah)

A majority of the state's residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). As of 2007, 60.7% of Utahans are counted as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, although only 41.6% of them are active members.[

According to a report produced by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life the self-identified religious affiliations of Utahans over the age of 18 as of 2008 are:[7]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 58% (labeled as Mormon on survey)
Unaffiliated 16%
Catholic 10%
Evangelicals 7%
Mainline Protestants 6%
Black Protestant Churches 1%
No Answer 1%
Other Faiths 1%
Buddhism <.5%
Eastern Orthodox <.5%
Hinduism <.5%
Islam <.5%
Jehovah's Witnesses <.5%
Judaism <.5%
Non denominational <.5%
Other World Religions <.5%

Margin of error +/- 6%

So, If my math is correct, all groups designated as Christian, other than LDS, make up 25% of the states religions. That is already less than half the percentage of the Mormon church, yet just that 25% completely dwarfs Islam's .5%
HOTTYZX2, calm down and clear your head before you go making radical declarations about numbers you obviously haven't researched.
Granted this information was valid as of 2008, but I did not find anything more recent, and I think it is at least a good benchmark to go on.

HOTTYZX2 wrote:


And FYI Utah is the swinger Capitol of the nation. Utah has more swingers then organ and Washington has hippies..

I would love to know where this statistic comes from. I have been searching for it for weeks now and can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know?

Hello Mr. HOTTYZX2. I, too, like to debate, but not so much argue, although arguing the point is what we are doing! I do think it may be more appropriate to continue this debate in private, through our Swingular emails, if you are interested. But one last point here, look up Wikipedia: Religion in the United States.
You are right that the Swingular poll numbers are not necessarily restrictively for Utah. However, according to this posting on Wikipedia, you will find that the Christian believers still outnumber the muslims buy a huge amount. But since Swingular is an international site, and I have no idea if any of the respondents to the poll were non U.S. citizens, I would concede to your point. But you did mention this possibly being a national poll, rather than state wide. If it is national, then world religion numbers don't matter. Even so, if this poll was not only responded to by Utahans, then the Utah demographic argument does not hold up to scrutiny.


As for the hypocrisy argument you make, I don't see an issue with it. With one exception of a wonderful friend of mine, I stay away from mormons, except for my family. I am not a practicing mormon myself.
Anything else you have for me, I would rather do in private.

I'm a little ambiguous with this whole issue. I have been a member of the church since being baptized at the age of 8, until last September. For years I had questioned my membership in the LDS church, and I finally made my decision and told my Bishop. I was yelled at by him, in front of my daughters with his office doors open to the Ward, with absolutely no justifiable provocation. I was told later by my wife, who was also there, that he was trying to get under my skin so I would do something he could accuse me of. Instead, I said I was leaving, walked out of the church, and never went back. He is not the reason I left the religion. There are many personal reasons I did it, and it took me most of my life to decide. My ambiguity comes in the fact that, while I no longer will be a member, I think I still believe in some of the teachings and history of the LDS church. There are others, including those pertaining to sex, that I disavow myself of.

I do not condemn anyone in their religious situation, beliefs and practices, as that is neither my place, nor inclination. But I likewise will not argue against others who have a problem with practicing christians of any faith who practice swinging. Perhaps God will judge you blameless, but is not my place to speculate. I truly believe in the slogan, Live and let live.

I do, however, love to debate fact, but since religion is faith based, I will not attack anyone about it. In truth, I only stay away from mormons who would attack me or try to draw me back to the faith.

DARK1INSIDE, I do not judge you, or anyone, for there choices.

Ok, Personal opinion: If someone wants to Swing and go to any church they should have a right to do so. Does that make them hypocrites and liars? Sure it does. But why should that matter to you. There is no western religion that condones this practice.

I think that you will find that most people are hypocrites and liars when it comes right down to it. It is simply a question of degree. When you are offended and then say it is nothing and brush it off, You Are A Liar. When you tell your children that they are not supposed to lie and you allow Christmas as toys etc. That makes you a hypocrite. Of course most forgive tales of the Easter Bunny, Santa etc. Because they are meant to bring joy and happiness to children. However they are lies and we are all hypocrites for fostering those and other such lies.

Yes HOTTYZX2, you are quite correct that the LDS faith does not accept swinging any more than it currently does polygamy. Ask any LDS Apostle and he will tell you that you can not be a Swinger and a member of the church any more than you can be a Polygamist and a member of the church. Yet there is no direct revelation to that effect. It is simply inferred from the general teachings that sex out of wedlock is a major sin. The church considers Swinging to be the same thing as Adultery. They will disfellowship but not excommunicate a single person for having sex with a married person. They will excommunicate the married person.

Go figure!

And honestly, technically, breaking any rule in any religion would make one a 'hypocrite'. In my opinion, a hypocrite is a person who uses their religion merely to gain power inappropriately over others, to act like an authority figure, especially when they don't truly believe their own religion. To do it merely to gain attention and approval from others, to gain social standing or power.

It is quite possible to be an active Christian/Mormon on here and not be following the faith completely. To yell at people about being 'religious' and not following it perfectly, that almost seems hypocritical as well. Who in the world made you the master over the way someone else acts and thinks? So long as they aren't hurting you personally, what does it matter?

This is the thing with Utah. Both sides want to yell each other into submission. Neither side wants to let the other live and let live.

Not everyone is ex'd for certain "transgressions" some are disfellowshipped some are ex'd, some get a slap on the wrist( which is maybe bad since they were using it too much) each case is very different and there is no "set standard". I know as I have been thru it. I have never been asked about caffeine products, as that was never the issue with the w.o.w. I could be a coke poster boy, the drink that is. I was told by different bishops that I respect for how they treated people, that things like that are not the point and I happen to agree. We are given guidlines and then asked to govern ourselves and our families as we see fit. Do I care if my neighbor is anti coke and so much more holier than tho than I am? Not at all, until it starts infringing on me or my family, or he starts to force his belief on me or try and make me "understand" that his point is "doctrine". There are alot of good active LDS folks who believe and still have a hang up or 2 or a vice or 2 if you want to call it that. It does not make them a hypocrit. We are not perfect here and certainly do not claim to be. We know folks like that and feel very sorry for them and feel bad that they give the rest of the real folk a bad name so to speak. We have a vice or 2 now and then, but we don't preach it or try and force it on anyone else. It is for us and us alone, and we will deal with any consequences that come along. Certain "private" (insert SEXUAL wohoo!!!) matters we have been told by 3 different bishops and 1 stake president are between us and should stay that way. As long as they brought us closer together and not apart or caused harm in anyway, were our own business. Have we taken some liberties with that or taken it to an extreme, maybe so. But they knew what we were talking around when we brought up the issues. The church is different outside of Utah and even the states, good and bad. We have alot of cultural things here that folks like to believe or claim is actual doctrine and it is just not so. Doesn't make them bad, just a little short sighted, closed minded, and sometimes ignorant and unforgiving. Opps, did I say that outloud? When it comes down to it, it doesnt really matter what religion a person is when you are all naked and rolling around in bed together. Although, the lime jello with mini marshmellows for activity night might be a fun addition. It is nice to find others who understand and or can relate to what you feel as well sometimes. We don't agree with you hottyzx2, but we do respect you and your opinion, and laugh with you at some of your comments. Sorry for the soap box sermon, hope I didn't offend, certainly not my intention. Have a great day all and happy playing. Off to buy some jello!!

those are the best evil, lol the molly's that know how to moan!

Most little Mormon girls (Ms. Evil included) are volcanos of sexuality just waiting to erupt. Once you let Pandora out of the box they are wild and insatiable in our experience. Probably more so than other girls because they've been repressed for so long. People who haven't tried swinging in Utah are totally missing out! :-)

I don't get it! Hmmmm is this one of those subtle religious jokes? Maybe my vernacular's broken or something. "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Schrodinger's cat...or is it?" Nope, my vernacular's just fine. I'm still as funny as hell. ;-)

When someone asks you "if you're a god?" you say, "Yes!"

"And this, is the lower case 'a'." "The lower, case, 'a'. haaabaaaa FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ENOUGH ALREADY!!! DO YOU WANT MY HEAD TO EXPLODE???"
hehehe

Hmmmm, lately I have unconsciously been acquiring a lot of blue colored items: blue clothes, a couple blue water bottles, a silver hilted lightsaber with a blue blade....

I grew up active in the church and served a mission, it was not until they sent me home against my will for a medical condition that I left. I was inactive for 9 years and had been doing these parties for at least 5 of them. 2 years ago I decided to go back and give it a shot. I told the Bishop everything and he just had a blank stare but said he wanted to work with me. After the time he and the S.P. had said I needed to wait I was able to take the Sacrament and go through the temple. During the year and a half I gave up all aspects of the lifestyle, never missed a meeting and held callings including a member of the Bishopric. In the end I still had to many questions that could not be answered so I left again and had a frank discussion with that same Bishop who to this day is still a great friend