To our friends.
We are sorry to inform everyone that we have had to cancel the NYE Masquerade Ball event. We want to give you a bit of an explanation as to why we have decided to do this.
Today is Thursday at 4pm in the afternoon, as of this time we have had a total of 8 people actually submit payment for this event. That is total revenue of $800.00 basically to pay for the party. Our additional outlay to prepare the event would be in excess of $9000.00 more dollars in addition to the money we have already spent to prepare for this event. It is strictly a business and financial decision to not proceed with the event. We know that this will inconvenience those of you that had made plans to be with us and we are looking for ideas on how to make these parties something that people will support and look forward to and just not wait until the last minute to attend.
Our entire idea with this location was to create a place where the community could come together and be themselves without the limitations of the local bar and club scene. This isn
We are sorry to inform everyone that we have had to cancel the NYE Masquerade Ball event. We want to give you a bit of an explanation as to why we have decided to do this.
Today is Thursday at 4pm in the afternoon, as of this time we have had a total of 8 people actually submit payment for this event. That is total revenue of $800.00 basically to pay for the party. Our additional outlay to prepare the event would be in excess of $9000.00 more dollars in addition to the money we have already spent to prepare for this event. It is strictly a business and financial decision to not proceed with the event. We know that this will inconvenience those of you that had made plans to be with us and we are looking for ideas on how to make these parties something that people will support and look forward to and just not wait until the last minute to attend.
Our entire idea with this location was to create a place where the community could come together and be themselves without the limitations of the local bar and club scene. This isn
We weren't going to make it unfortunately do to circumstances beyond our control, as the Frosty Frolic was amazing and we were really stoked about this new venue.
It seems like a lot of people will be disappointed, but it makes sense. Couldn't you set it up so when you click the RSVP for the event that it takes you to the link where we pay? And if they don't pay right away, you can't RSVP.
Basically a better way to achieve the commitment for your financial obligations, and then if they don't show the costs are still covered. You guys put out a lot of hard work and time to make this happen, not to mention expenses, and we really want to see it continue even though we can't make it. Good luck and thanks!
ROCK & PEBBLES
It seems like a lot of people will be disappointed, but it makes sense. Couldn't you set it up so when you click the RSVP for the event that it takes you to the link where we pay? And if they don't pay right away, you can't RSVP.
Basically a better way to achieve the commitment for your financial obligations, and then if they don't show the costs are still covered. You guys put out a lot of hard work and time to make this happen, not to mention expenses, and we really want to see it continue even though we can't make it. Good luck and thanks!
ROCK & PEBBLES
We are very sorry to hear that this fell through, the last party was great, and this venue has some real potential to benefit the area community.
for us there is just to high of a turn over of swingular members, we might as well just be going to a strange bar because we dont know anybody at these parties, and thats alot of money to pay to see unfamiliar faces, its like how many people on here were at the spice party at habits before it opened to the public? anyone? this board and forum is just over run with newbies and anyway there are way to many profiles that dont show face pics.
Pebblerock has the right idea. I think more people would be less flaky if they knew they were paying up front. Ditto of course to what J said above.
xox
Tammy
xox
Tammy
Aww, shit. Could this not become some kinda LA mob scene where we run around burning our own houses and businesses down?We had fun at the first party. There were issues, for sure, I'll not enumerate 'em. But the biggest mistake may have been that it was built up to more than what they were able to provide in the end. But I truly do think that the intent was there to provide a great time. I just don't sense any malice. So shall we now chase them down and beat them with a baseball bat?
How 'bout we contribute ideas for utilizing this space? I don't know what'd be acceptable to the hosts, but they've thrown a few out there at the start of this thread. In another thread, someone mentioned doing some kind of speed-dating style meet-and-greet, which immediately got shot down because there was no venue to hold it. Well here's a place. People bitch about the restrictions that these vanilla meet and greet locations necessarily invoke on us. Well here's an alternative.
What would it take? SMALL monthly membership fees from a decent number of folks in order to keep the venue viable? Throw a TV upstairs there along with some furniture and it'd be a great place just to throw a small, zany super bowl party. Maybe monthly members'd have first right of rental/reservation. The rooms underneath there provide separate areas which could be used for specific events as well, even simultaneously. And of course, big monthly parties with a little bit lower expectation/cost?
We were newbies when we joined here and began to attend some of these parties. We've been amazed at how cool it is to have ALL of these options available. We still consider ourselves newbies, but have met enough of the hosts to understand the caliber of person, and the amount of work that they put into these parties. We are so lucky to have someone else shoulder that burden and accept that risk. That goes for ALL of those folks kind enough to throw this type of party.
Fantasyers, Elite, Risque Soiree, KnK, and yes DuskVP. I'm sure there are others, but like I said, we ARE just newbies. Thank you ALL for continuing to provide such imaginative, creative, diverse, and downright fun gatherings for this community of like-minded people! I hope that folks will continue to provide suggestions so that you may continue to improve what you do, rather than get brow-beaten and run.
BEARZYKINS wrote:
This has nothing to do with people "flaking" and everything to do with "bad business". Had the organizers of the Frosty Frolic done their jobs in the first place and made our $80 worth it, they wouldn't have had to shell out a hundred plus FREE ENTRIES into the New Years Masquerade. My guess is that the people willing to go and try out DUSK VIP's second attempt at a semi-decent party is that they, like us, were getting in free because the last party plain ol' sucked, and in that case, the risk seemed worth it.
I think this is about the WORST decision they could have made-not only have they completely screwed people out of their money, they've left us all hanging at the last minute on a night that is supposed to be one of the best nights of the year! Shame on DUSK VIP.
we agree fully
Apparently the first party was a success of sorts and it is hard to believe that they did not make a profit on that venture. They should have been emailing every person that attended to find out what the attendees really thought of the party and asking pertinent questions.
I don
I don
We were at the first party. And yes it fell short. And instead of getting free advertising and attendees wanting to bring some friends who missed out on a super party you got negative press. And you have folks not sure if they want to attend until the venue is more proven. And many couples want to party with friends on NYE for the big party night of the year and it would be a risk to take them to this party venue after the last one.
There are many folks who prefer a small more intimate party for NYE. The 99$ was fairly steep for the Utah area. However this venue has potential. That was shown by the way the VIP area was looking.
I do think cancelling is the right call but a party late.
There are many folks who prefer a small more intimate party for NYE. The 99$ was fairly steep for the Utah area. However this venue has potential. That was shown by the way the VIP area was looking.
I do think cancelling is the right call but a party late.
I do think it would be great to keep this venue and idea alive. More positive comments would probably be in all of our best interest. I mean sure why not say whats on your mind but surely you must be able to think of something you saw at the first party that was positive. And if you were not at the first party you really should not be commenting at all.
One problem is, until you run any type of an event yourself, you have no idea how difficult it is. Everyone thinks the organizer makes a bucket load of money and that is usually not the case. But if you think it is, than do one yourself..go ahead and make the money yourself and do a better job.
It takes a lot of time and money to ran any type of event, even a house party is crazy. We should be thankful someone is willing to do it.
How about we give some positive feedback, things we would like to see at a good and fun party.
We are new to the lifestyle and we are doing this to have fun together, share some good experiences and meet some nice people, not for all this drama and bitching we read so much on here.
Just a few thoughts
It takes a lot of time and money to ran any type of event, even a house party is crazy. We should be thankful someone is willing to do it.
How about we give some positive feedback, things we would like to see at a good and fun party.
We are new to the lifestyle and we are doing this to have fun together, share some good experiences and meet some nice people, not for all this drama and bitching we read so much on here.
Just a few thoughts
We steer clear of the big "Organized" parties... we prefer the smaller more intimate house parties. There are to many people out to make a buck rather than just throw a great party. After all, most of us are not wanting to "Advertise" our deviant lifestyle choice Right? Making friends, maybe even relationships with other like minded couples, taking your time to get to know people, making GOOD choices who you eventually play with, is not only smart but absolutely necessary these days.
SEXYPOKER69 wrote:Damn, so you're saying that people already KNOW about my hubby and my severe kinkiness? Personally, I don't think an activity is automatically deviant just 'cause it involves banjos, Valvoline, broccoli, and a fire truck.
... deviant lifestyle choice Right? ...
FUN4MWF wrote:SEXYPOKER69 wrote:Damn, so you're saying that people already KNOW about my hubby and my severe kinkiness? Personally, I don't think an activity is automatically deviant just 'cause it involves banjos, Valvoline, broccoli, and a fire truck.
... deviant lifestyle choice Right? ...
Hey wait a min! we have all those items!,,,, But ya lost us with the broccoli (WAY to kinky) ... Fire trucks however~ wink
I know this is a little off the topic at hand, but can anyone here recommend a lifestyle club in the Orange county, La area. I will be there for NYE with my partner and I'm kind of having a difficult time finding something. I would appreciate any recommendations.
Thanks,
Tim
You can go to NASCA.com and follow the links, but your best bet is probably going to be Freedom Acres in Riverside.
I started my first business when I was 23 and have had several different ones since. Some were more successful than others. So I am going to speak from a lot of years of dealing with customers. Not every successful business runs on the same track but there are definitely some things that every business owner should do.
Canceling the party at this point was probably the only real choice the hosts had. Anyone that thinks that canceling it was easy for them is full of crap. I honestly hope they can regroup and come back but it will be difficult at best. I really do wish them luck. It will take work and an honest desire to fix the whole thing. But if anyone thinks that giving only good comments will achieve this, they are sadly mistaken.
Every business person needs to know the good and the bad together. It does no one any favors to lie about what went down or hide from the truth. But in general, that is all that is said about a party in this lifestyle by our group. The problem here is that too many couples are afraid to rock the boat because they believe that doing so will get them uninvited buy all hosts. The sad thing is they are probably correct in that assumption.
Film and food critics are given a special place in their industries because they tell it as they see it. It does not mean that the reader needs to agree with the comments. But the provider does. It is essential to their survival as a business. I wrote one post a couple of weeks ago about another party with Fantasyers. I gave them high praise because the hosts and party deserved it. I wrote in another post about the same group a month before and listed what I thought could be made better. A business needs honesty from its customers to survuve.
After Frosty Frolic I recall that there were only praises and I think this group let the hosts down by not speaking up. But the hosts should have worked to find out what folks really thought and I don
Canceling the party at this point was probably the only real choice the hosts had. Anyone that thinks that canceling it was easy for them is full of crap. I honestly hope they can regroup and come back but it will be difficult at best. I really do wish them luck. It will take work and an honest desire to fix the whole thing. But if anyone thinks that giving only good comments will achieve this, they are sadly mistaken.
Every business person needs to know the good and the bad together. It does no one any favors to lie about what went down or hide from the truth. But in general, that is all that is said about a party in this lifestyle by our group. The problem here is that too many couples are afraid to rock the boat because they believe that doing so will get them uninvited buy all hosts. The sad thing is they are probably correct in that assumption.
Film and food critics are given a special place in their industries because they tell it as they see it. It does not mean that the reader needs to agree with the comments. But the provider does. It is essential to their survival as a business. I wrote one post a couple of weeks ago about another party with Fantasyers. I gave them high praise because the hosts and party deserved it. I wrote in another post about the same group a month before and listed what I thought could be made better. A business needs honesty from its customers to survuve.
After Frosty Frolic I recall that there were only praises and I think this group let the hosts down by not speaking up. But the hosts should have worked to find out what folks really thought and I don
Folks are so silly sometimes. They see the gate fees and the number of folks and think wow 9k or 15k profit... but what about the rental on that building or the lease terms and risk. All the work and materials and furniture and dont forget the risk.. And dont forget someones name and credit is on the line in case of police problems or whatever comes up. If the frosty frolic party would have been as intended this thread would be all how excited we all are to be going and taking new friends.
I think NYE is a hard night to compete with for many reasons. Some folks with kids feel the need to be with them. Many vanilla parties to attend or have to attend. Some folks prefer a more intimate smaller gathering for NYE. DUI considerations etc.
DUSKVIP is going to have to regroup take the losses invest more and throw and great party that thye envision and work the reputation back.
I think NYE is a hard night to compete with for many reasons. Some folks with kids feel the need to be with them. Many vanilla parties to attend or have to attend. Some folks prefer a more intimate smaller gathering for NYE. DUI considerations etc.
DUSKVIP is going to have to regroup take the losses invest more and throw and great party that thye envision and work the reputation back.
S&S, many of us did send emails to Dusk and expressed our dissatisfaction about Frosty, even with detailed comments about what went wrong and how they could fix it. I am sure cancelling NYE was the financially correct decision but it may have also buried that project for good. One failed party and then a no show make-up. We have had fun at Elite parties we have attended and plan to try our Risque this Jan. The Meet & Greets that KnK put on are nice too. Like others have said Dusk set the bar very high on expectations and then really failed to deliver. We liked the venue, the concept was good in our opinion and were planning to attend NYE (for free) but recently family changed that for us.
Bottomline, we do hope that Dusk can take this concept and develop it further, the location has great potential, we wish them the best.
Bottomline, we do hope that Dusk can take this concept and develop it further, the location has great potential, we wish them the best.
After literally getting my ass chewed out on another site complaining about a planned party (and not the good kind of ass chewing) I realized maybe our expectations are pretty high. I think we all need (yes, including myself) to get off our high-horses and just chill the fuck out. Just remember, if we don't have anything nice to say, put something tasty in your mouth, and just enjoy the ride. (Yes, I have said it before - I have a dirty but very sexy mouth, this is the Mrs.)
We are totally lost this NYE and wish we had something really fun to do but I am sick of planning and just want someone else to take the lead, that was the only reason we would have gone to this party.
Let's all just go have an incredible orgasm, take a deep breath, celebrate the end of 2011, and bring in 2012 with a bang.
We are totally lost this NYE and wish we had something really fun to do but I am sick of planning and just want someone else to take the lead, that was the only reason we would have gone to this party.
Let's all just go have an incredible orgasm, take a deep breath, celebrate the end of 2011, and bring in 2012 with a bang.
BEARZYKINS wrote:
There were a few positives to the night, as I mentioned in my email to the promoters; drinks were decent, and I saw a guy put a dildo in his mouth while being straddled by a porn star as she scribbles on his bald head (thanks for that J!). But $80 is a high price for what we got. I feel at least partial refunds should be given.
LMAO. I have it bookmarked on Youtube. I want to get a still shot blown up and hung up in the bedroom.
I'm confused - the Frosty Frolic was an event done by swingular and I thought this party was by Elite Utah Parties - who is Dusk VIP? There was one mansion party that seemed to be a huge success one week after Frosty Frolic - by Elite Utah Parties. Me and many of my swingular friends are a bit confused as to who is who in sponsoring these parties. If this one was at the Mansion - seems it would have been a hit, but I have to agree that $120 a couple is a bit steep for the area.
I will be doing a monthly event at Club Elevate - first one is Jan 21st and is not posted yet. Mine will be a $10 per couple, $5 for single women, $10 for single males cover. We will have two levels of the club exclusively for our use. They will be called the Friday Frolic. Hope you all come and have some fun. I am also looking at negotiating some special rates with a few downtown hotels for our guests that want to have after parties.
I will be doing a monthly event at Club Elevate - first one is Jan 21st and is not posted yet. Mine will be a $10 per couple, $5 for single women, $10 for single males cover. We will have two levels of the club exclusively for our use. They will be called the Friday Frolic. Hope you all come and have some fun. I am also looking at negotiating some special rates with a few downtown hotels for our guests that want to have after parties.
FRIDAYGAMES wrote:
I'm confused - the Frosty Frolic was an event done by swingular and I thought this party was by Elite Utah Parties - who is Dusk VIP? There was one mansion party that seemed to be a huge success one week after Frosty Frolic - by Elite Utah Parties. Me and many of my swingular friends are a bit confused as to who is who in sponsoring these parties. If this one was at the Mansion - seems it would have been a hit, but I have to agree that $120 a couple is a bit steep for the area. I will be doing a monthly event at Club Elevate - first one is Jan 21st and is not posted yet. Mine will be a $10 per couple, $5 for single women, $10 for single males cover. We will have two levels of the club exclusively for our use. They will be called the Friday Frolic. Hope you all come and have some fun. I am also looking at negotiating some special rates with a few downtown hotels for our guests that want to have after parties.
Frosty Frolic was put on by Dusk. As far as I can tell they are friends and business associates of Admin. The original name was Swingular Parties if I recall it correctly.
Elete Utah Parties joined with Fantasyers to put on the Mansion party. The mansion belongs to Fantasyers. Elete, Fantasyers, K&K, Risque_Soiree and others put on parties of their own and sometimes join together to get a bigger crowd. There are also home parties from time to time as well as club gatherings and groups from other sites.
Now apparently you have decided to create another one. As many as there are, there can be more provided they are not cookie cutter of one of the other groups. Try to draw a slightly different crowd and I wish you luck.
"SWINGULAR EVENTS" was the original name and now "DUSKVIP". But it doesn't really matter. They are great people and not out to get rich on this deal. Overhead can be high when trying to establish a new venue for anything, until after the first few outings and they have a better idea of what to expect and what to deliver.
Some really good comments here, and some real shitty ones. (I guess that's what some of these forums are for). I for one don't know what happened to the NYE party for sure, but I'm fairly confident the organizers aren't sleeping well. I truly believe they will do whatever they can to remedy the issues, because I know the kind of character they possess.
So why don't we all put away our ropes, torches, and pitchforks, and try to figure out a "constructive" way of getting this thing off the ground, or stay the fuck home! There's other parties, and tons of bars where you can buy 5 to 10 dollar mixed drinks that everyone seemed to be enjoying so "freely" at the Frolic.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone or trying to be an asshole. I don't roll like that. But I believe in giving someone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Peace to you all, Happy New Year, and let's rock 2012. In fact, let's "PEBBLEROCK" it!!!
Some really good comments here, and some real shitty ones. (I guess that's what some of these forums are for). I for one don't know what happened to the NYE party for sure, but I'm fairly confident the organizers aren't sleeping well. I truly believe they will do whatever they can to remedy the issues, because I know the kind of character they possess.
So why don't we all put away our ropes, torches, and pitchforks, and try to figure out a "constructive" way of getting this thing off the ground, or stay the fuck home! There's other parties, and tons of bars where you can buy 5 to 10 dollar mixed drinks that everyone seemed to be enjoying so "freely" at the Frolic.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone or trying to be an asshole. I don't roll like that. But I believe in giving someone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Peace to you all, Happy New Year, and let's rock 2012. In fact, let's "PEBBLEROCK" it!!!
hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm - as far as I can tell there was a new kid on the block called Elite Utah Parties that wanted to be exclusive to 'the beautiful' peoples - as judged by them, they did the first mansion party and did not allow anyone that did not have a rock hard body to play with them - good for them! but perhaps they are gettin 'a bite in the butt' for being so exclusive. I really don't know nor do I care. I just think that it is POSSIBLE that some younger folks are trying to create something that is not gonna be feasible at this time. I am totally willing to be wrong.
PEGBUNDY wrote:
hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm - as far as I can tell there was a new kid on the block called Elite Utah Parties that wanted to be exclusive to 'the beautiful' peoples - as judged by them, they did the first mansion party and did not allow anyone that did not have a rock hard body to play with them - good for them! but perhaps they are gettin 'a bite in the butt' for being so exclusive. I really don't know nor do I care. I just think that it is POSSIBLE that some younger folks are trying to create something that is not gonna be feasible at this time. I am totally willing to be wrong.
from what i've seen at utah elite, there's not butt biting going on. at least not yet and not in a negative manner. i mean, some people LIKE the whole butt biting thing, but that's not the same concept
I really dont know who is who any more - hahahaha.....I just know I could not pay $120 per couple Good luck to you all!
Ok So where are the parties tonight???????
Risqu
ALL party/event planners have their pros and cons. Each bring something unique to our community and I guess we are pretty lucky to have such a diverse group...something for everyone. And while there has been back stabbing among certain planners I have also seen them work together for the community.
I once was a jaded skeptic until I actually attended a few events. OMG. I can't even imagine the time, overhead, stress that these people go thru. And if you seriously think they are getting RICH off their parties you are pretty clueless. I guess they love their day jobs so much they refuse to quit them. You have to have to have nerves of steel and a passion for this lifestyle to put up with shitload of complaints by the ignorant masses to continue doing this. I personally applaud and congratulate ANYONE attempting to give us MORE events and places to get together.
I have always said that that party success is not determined by the amount of planning or money spent but by the guests. You want to have fun at parties THEN BE A FUN GUEST.
It's not rocket science.
xox
Tammy
I once was a jaded skeptic until I actually attended a few events. OMG. I can't even imagine the time, overhead, stress that these people go thru. And if you seriously think they are getting RICH off their parties you are pretty clueless. I guess they love their day jobs so much they refuse to quit them. You have to have to have nerves of steel and a passion for this lifestyle to put up with shitload of complaints by the ignorant masses to continue doing this. I personally applaud and congratulate ANYONE attempting to give us MORE events and places to get together.
I have always said that that party success is not determined by the amount of planning or money spent but by the guests. You want to have fun at parties THEN BE A FUN GUEST.
It's not rocket science.
xox
Tammy
Just my 2 bits but we started in this lifestyle back east. I say the host go check out a few clubs. In NC there are like 20 swing clubs more than one in some towns and you dont see this rif raft. One week you may go to this club the next another. Some weeks it was packed some weeks not so packed. The club we went to yah they were there to make a little money but around here the host are trying to make big bucks all at once. Start off small get aname for yourself as a great place to hang out and the people will come. . We also due the house party thing. We dont charge a dime and supply the mixers and what eles. It's about meeting people and also making friends. This fight between clubs is bull shit. If everyone treated there customer like a true person not a bill in there paocket I think all clubs would be successful.
FUN4MWF wrote:
We had fun at the first party. There were issues, for sure, I'll not enumerate 'em. But the biggest mistake may have been that it was built up to more than what they were able to provide in the end. But I truly do think that the intent was there to provide a great time. I just don't sense any malice. So shall we now chase them down and beat them with a baseball bat?
How 'bout we contribute ideas for utilizing this space? I don't know what'd be acceptable to the hosts, but they've thrown a few out there at the start of this thread. In another thread, someone mentioned doing some kind of speed-dating style meet-and-greet, which immediately got shot down because there was no venue to hold it. Well here's a place. People bitch about the restrictions that these vanilla meet and greet locations necessarily invoke on us. Well here's an alternative.
What would it take? SMALL monthly membership fees from a decent number of folks in order to keep the venue viable? Throw a TV upstairs there along with some furniture and it'd be a great place just to throw a small, zany super bowl party. Maybe monthly members'd have first right of rental/reservation. The rooms underneath there provide separate areas which could be used for specific events as well, even simultaneously. And of course, big monthly parties with a little bit lower expectation/cost?
We were newbies when we joined here and began to attend some of these parties. We've been amazed at how cool it is to have ALL of these options available. We still consider ourselves newbies, but have met enough of the hosts to understand the caliber of person, and the amount of work that they put into these parties. We are so lucky to have someone else shoulder that burden and accept that risk. That goes for ALL of those folks kind enough to throw this type of party.
Fantasyers, Elite, Risque Soiree, KnK, and yes DuskVP. I'm sure there are others, but like I said, we ARE just newbies. Thank you ALL for continuing to provide such imaginative, creative, diverse, and downright fun gatherings for this community of like-minded people! I hope that folks will continue to provide suggestions so that you may continue to improve what you do, rather than get brow-beaten and run.
well said. no need to beat a dead horse.
i didn't even attend the last party and wasn't set to attend this one, but still commend for the attempt to make it the fun and liberal environment that we all know and love so much. keep doing what it is that you're doing and the few that don't like it, like if you don't like who you meet, keep it pushing. See our previous post for another party tonight in the area.
DEVILSKITCHEN wrote:
What an amazing community. It is very generous of everyone to defend Dusk VIP for taking a risk on this venture.
I think the first post on this tread makes clear the basic business plan here was lacking strategy and execution.
Luckily for the community. this is an very competitive market with premium pay for play fun in a local McMansion as well as more intimate house parties with a more communal approach to the opportunity presented by such a vibrant and fun loving group.
We have no regrets for we checking out your first attempt at creating a nice club, and accepted your offer for a bounce back in good faith. We had no trouble finding many awesome contingency plans at the last minute.
Is it possible to run this venture like the other clubs in the valley that charge for drinks, and maybe even a cover for a special event? It would seem there is a demand for a swingers club in town.
We wish you all the best in your future endeavors!
There definitely a demand for swinger clubs. Just a difference between people wanting one and Utah lawmakers and council allowing one.
DEVILSKITCHEN wrote:HELLO_KITTY12984 wrote:
There definitely a demand for swinger clubs. Just a difference between people wantng one and Utah lawmakers and council allowing one.
This is an interesting point that I don't know much about. What does the law allow? Does the law have a different view of gay clubs?
You can't have nudity and alcohol mixed. Brewvies got in trouble for showing The Hangover because they serve alcohol and the Hangover shows penis. There's clubs around that are where the gay people generally gather and hangout, but I don't think they advertise as gay clubs and sex/nudity is not allowed at the clubs whether they're gay clubs or not.
DEVILSKITCHEN wrote:HELLO_KITTY12984 wrote:
You can't have nudity and alcohol mixed. Brewvies got in trouble for showing The Hangover because they serve alcohol and the Hangover shows penis. There's clubs around that are where the gay people generally gather and hangout, but I don't think they advertise as gay clubs and sex/nudity is not allowed at the clubs whether they're gay clubs or not.
Sometimes I forget we are so deep behind the Zion curtain.
they have zion curtains at restaurants now too. can't have the liquor bottles out and visible to the general customers.
I thought Zion Curtain was what Mormon ladies called their womanbits.
Can we get a Zion curtain for the families with loud obnoxious kids?