We would like to find a couple who would enjoy a total full swap; i.e.,separate dates. Whenever we mention this, most couples run like the wind. I would think that if you are in the lifestyle, you would be secure enough to enjoy this exciting activity. What is more exciting than a first date, especially if you have sex on it? Then, when you each return, you can talk about it and tell your erotic stories. Is there anyone out there?
We would not go for that. And a couple with whom we play did that for awhile and it damned near wrecked their marriage. What you are talking about is very close to just plain cheating. Successful couples, swingers or vanilla, are generally inward looking, looking at one another to the exclusion of the world or back to back facing the world together. From our point of view, at least, swinging is merely an extension of sex for fun in which other people take the place of toys. We don\'t for one moment forget that they are people and not actually toys but in termns of our own relationship they are peripheral though they may also be good friends. To split as a couple so that each may go his or her own way later to regale the other with his or her exploits doesn\'t work. I don\'t want my wife to tell me about her antics with another man. I want to see her with another man.
I agree 100% on that you are right!!!!
kristylynn
kristylynn
Interesting sequence of postings.
I agree with WETT - that the *idea* of a true FULL swap - is very exciting for me. Even to the level of \"delivering\" a partner (wife or husband) - to the other couples\' door - nude - to \"live as a couple\" for a night or a weekend. It is the extreme-ness of the thing which makes it erotic to me - to act as if you\'d been married for years - except that you still have sex (smile).
However, I also entirely agree with PRIAPUS - that it is difficult to find couples who are truly secure enough in their relationship - to separate out the \"sexual intimacy\" from the \"emotional intimacy\" which is the true definition of *marriage*. And trying to take that intimacy to the next level - without getting confused about one\'s \"life partner\" would be very very difficult. Maybe it could be done, but it may not be wise to bet your marriage on it.
I agree with WETT - that the *idea* of a true FULL swap - is very exciting for me. Even to the level of \"delivering\" a partner (wife or husband) - to the other couples\' door - nude - to \"live as a couple\" for a night or a weekend. It is the extreme-ness of the thing which makes it erotic to me - to act as if you\'d been married for years - except that you still have sex (smile).
However, I also entirely agree with PRIAPUS - that it is difficult to find couples who are truly secure enough in their relationship - to separate out the \"sexual intimacy\" from the \"emotional intimacy\" which is the true definition of *marriage*. And trying to take that intimacy to the next level - without getting confused about one\'s \"life partner\" would be very very difficult. Maybe it could be done, but it may not be wise to bet your marriage on it.
For us it is not that we are not secure, nor is it that we don\'t realize the difference between emotional intimacy and physical intimacy...it\'s just not what we feel the lifestyle is for us. For one thing, we are more into group stuff that just swapping to begin with, and we very much enjoy playing with one another during the experience as well. We did not get into this to just have sex with OTHER people...we got into it to have sex WITH other people 
I agree 100% with PRIAPUS
on that you are right!!!! and we don\'t consider that full swap
thats cheating in our book,
but then again thats a man for you.
kristylynn
on that you are right!!!! and we don\'t consider that full swap
thats cheating in our book,
but then again thats a man for you.
kristylynn
How does the word \"cheating\" come into this. This is with the full knowledge of your partner, in fact your partner is participating. Casual sex is very exciting and what safer way to do it is there than this? This has nothing to do with how much you love your husband or wife. It is about new and different experiences. Isn\'t that why we do this? We have been with couples where one or both of them is always watching (not for enjoyment, but like a guard) and it is uncomfortable. I don\'t understand why some couples even do this if they feel they have to make sure the other is not having too much fun. This is all about JOY---whatever form it takes.
Although we would consider seperate dates, it would only be with a couple that we knew well and had a history with. We\'d really have to know the whole picture of their relationship before we\'d feel comfortable with that.
As far as playing seperate, though. We like to watch each other. That is what turns us on. Although a solo interlude can be exciting, it\'s the together aspect that turns us on.
Mr. Caress4u
As far as playing seperate, though. We like to watch each other. That is what turns us on. Although a solo interlude can be exciting, it\'s the together aspect that turns us on.
Mr. Caress4u
I don\'t think the fact that a couple is interested in the \"dating\" or full swap lifestyle is any different than soft swap or any other \"lifestyle\" activity married people concentually agree to.
How does one descern between what is acceptable swinging or non acceptable swinging? How many of us have been judged for our \"lifestyle\" activities no matter what degree one swings to.
It\'s a personel choice for each couple and nobody, leastwise other lifestyle people, should look down on them for thier choices.
How does one descern between what is acceptable swinging or non acceptable swinging? How many of us have been judged for our \"lifestyle\" activities no matter what degree one swings to.
It\'s a personel choice for each couple and nobody, leastwise other lifestyle people, should look down on them for thier choices.
That\'s just not our thing. We\'ve been propositioned this way. We just politely turn it down. When they get too aggressive in trying to \"convince us,\" we stop talking to them (or as they preceive, \"run like the wind\").
Different strokes for different folks. . .or hands.
Different strokes for different folks. . .or hands.
In our rather limited experience we have had the opportunity one time to swap in the same room in seperate beds. It was a very different experience from sharing the bed...and the distraction that accompanies the eroticism...
We have discussed it and decided this is something we might enjoy doing, perhaps in gradual steps. First time out to the movies or dinner, then spend the evening 4-ways. Next time maybe a little oral \"desert\" with dinner. Maybe progress to overnights, preferably as a prelude to spending the following day 4 ways.....LOTS of possibilities.
However we also have agreed it would have to be with someone that we know very very well, and that it would not work without a large helping of trust to go with the seperate intimacy. We do not feel in this case that it would feel like cheating, as the experience would be an extension of a friendship with a known couple....
We have discussed it and decided this is something we might enjoy doing, perhaps in gradual steps. First time out to the movies or dinner, then spend the evening 4-ways. Next time maybe a little oral \"desert\" with dinner. Maybe progress to overnights, preferably as a prelude to spending the following day 4 ways.....LOTS of possibilities.
However we also have agreed it would have to be with someone that we know very very well, and that it would not work without a large helping of trust to go with the seperate intimacy. We do not feel in this case that it would feel like cheating, as the experience would be an extension of a friendship with a known couple....
We run...run right into the action ::wink::
I knew I would start a fire here, and that\'s cool! We enjoy all aspects of the lifestyle and yes, we both enjoy watching each other being pleased by others, but you know what, I would enjoy it more if they didn\'t know I was watching. We are very confident about how we feel about each other and are not threatened by the other one having a passionate encounter. I am not looking for a replacement, just new and exciting experiences.
Some of your responses sound almost hostile. We are not trying to convince anybody to do anything. We are only seeking others with similar desires. It just seems to me that when couples have all these rules that they are defeating the purpose of swinging in the first place. Just because we suggest a different adventure doesn\'t mean you have to stop talking to us. We are still the same people that you liked before.
Some of your responses sound almost hostile. We are not trying to convince anybody to do anything. We are only seeking others with similar desires. It just seems to me that when couples have all these rules that they are defeating the purpose of swinging in the first place. Just because we suggest a different adventure doesn\'t mean you have to stop talking to us. We are still the same people that you liked before.
Ok, a lot of you are adding us to your friends list. That\'s cool. Thanks, but you are all in Bum Fuck Egypt.......LOL
Agree with most of the other couples that separate is not for us. Nothing wrong with it at all though, we just like to see each other while the sex is going on. Very exciting!
We have no problem with seperate fun as long as we are all under the same roof,boat,trees etc... lol. Don\'t need anyone esle besides us when it comes to being with others the sharing of sex is whatwe have fun with but we draw the line when it comes to going off with someone else without each other in the same vicinity.
I am certain that insecurity has no bearing on the decisions that we make in regard to the lifestyle. What you are suggesting simply isnt for us. We take so much from being in close proximity to each other during our encounters that it would render the experience...perhaps ackward or fruitless, for lack of a better term.
There is a reason that so many couples run from the possibility of what you call \"full swap\". Many years ago when we were first introduced to the lifestyle, \"full swap\" entailed having sexual intercourse with another couple. \"Soft swap\" meant oral play or touching only, no intercourse. Perhaps the deffinition has changed over the years...
I am certain that what you are describing is closer to what traditional polyamory is all about. In fact, there is a reason why the couples that you approach about this subject \"run like the wind\" as you call it. More times than not, it has proven to be destructive to the relationships in question. Best intentions or not, we are all human. Shit happens. Most seasoned swingers know this, and avoid this situation at all costs.
Most of the relationships that we have seen over the years that were as you describe ended in ruin. Most of the people that we have known to consider this method were (coincidentally) new swingers, who had not yet developed a sense of direction or an identity in the lifestyle. There are some mistakes that you can make in the lifestlye without jeopadizing your standing with your mate. There are some that you simply can not. What you are suggesting to other couples, while it may seem like something that would be fun and cool, has proven to be atleast problematic to many other people.
Just our .02 cents.
Best of luck to you both.
Luvbugs! (mR.)
There is a reason that so many couples run from the possibility of what you call \"full swap\". Many years ago when we were first introduced to the lifestyle, \"full swap\" entailed having sexual intercourse with another couple. \"Soft swap\" meant oral play or touching only, no intercourse. Perhaps the deffinition has changed over the years...
I am certain that what you are describing is closer to what traditional polyamory is all about. In fact, there is a reason why the couples that you approach about this subject \"run like the wind\" as you call it. More times than not, it has proven to be destructive to the relationships in question. Best intentions or not, we are all human. Shit happens. Most seasoned swingers know this, and avoid this situation at all costs.
Most of the relationships that we have seen over the years that were as you describe ended in ruin. Most of the people that we have known to consider this method were (coincidentally) new swingers, who had not yet developed a sense of direction or an identity in the lifestyle. There are some mistakes that you can make in the lifestlye without jeopadizing your standing with your mate. There are some that you simply can not. What you are suggesting to other couples, while it may seem like something that would be fun and cool, has proven to be atleast problematic to many other people.
Just our .02 cents.
Best of luck to you both.
Luvbugs! (mR.)
my 2 cents worth as for us it is the enjoyment of seeing the other partner enjoying thier selfs
Yes, some responses do seem to be a bit \"hostile\" as someone put it...(and I\'m sure mine is about to sound the same)...but maybe that is because they may have felt attakced by the originator saying they must be insecure. How about instead of judging the \"security\" of a couple by saying, \"they must be insecure if they don\'t want to do this...\" consider that there are as many ways to swing as there are swingers. Yes, some people develop their boundaries based on \"insecurities\", others simply because of what they like and desire. We just aren\'t in this to go off and play around with other people, this is something we share and enjoy together. If you are into that, that\'s fine, but don\'t judge others because they aren\'t.
Sounds to me that there is some confusion about the definitions of certain words...
FULL SWAP
Two couples exchanging partners for sexual intercourse (see SOFT SWAP)
SOFT SWAP
Two couples exchanging partners for certain types of sexual activity (defined by the couples involved); if intercourse takes place it is only between primary partners (see FULL SWAP)
OPEN RELATIONSHIP
A relationship in which participants are free to take other partners; may or may not be a polyamorous couple; may or may not be a swinging couple. If the couple is married they may describe themselves as having an open marriage.
CUCKOLD
While the originally meaning is the husband of a wife who cheats, it has come to mean (more often than not) a husband who\'s wife plays without him and comes home to tell him about it. It can also mean a husband who watches his wife play with others, or is forced to watch. This can also be reversed on the wife. Since different people use the word to mean different things, it is best to ask the people using the word in order to clarify the definition.
So based on those defs... it would not be FULL SWAP but an OPEN RELATIONSHIP.
Class dismissed.
HA HA HA
Mr. SOMD
FULL SWAP
Two couples exchanging partners for sexual intercourse (see SOFT SWAP)
SOFT SWAP
Two couples exchanging partners for certain types of sexual activity (defined by the couples involved); if intercourse takes place it is only between primary partners (see FULL SWAP)
OPEN RELATIONSHIP
A relationship in which participants are free to take other partners; may or may not be a polyamorous couple; may or may not be a swinging couple. If the couple is married they may describe themselves as having an open marriage.
CUCKOLD
While the originally meaning is the husband of a wife who cheats, it has come to mean (more often than not) a husband who\'s wife plays without him and comes home to tell him about it. It can also mean a husband who watches his wife play with others, or is forced to watch. This can also be reversed on the wife. Since different people use the word to mean different things, it is best to ask the people using the word in order to clarify the definition.
So based on those defs... it would not be FULL SWAP but an OPEN RELATIONSHIP.
Class dismissed.
HA HA HA
Mr. SOMD
This is the female half of Wettfem.
We are very secure and would do separate depending on how well we know the other couple. We just prefer same room so we can see each other in pleasure.
lets put it in this perspective
1 SOLO dates are nix
2 we have got variation of the same( but not that) version
A (date) similar to that would be the cpls meet and swap partners and continue on a dbbl date and no one knows the difference when you are as a dbbl date or two cpls out together
you spen the evening doing whatever two cpls do for the evenings entertainmen then you both leave and retire to a home or a motel room for the evenings play that is the closest that we would ever go to (dating) with another cpl never parted from the other we always play together . What do you think of that !
1 SOLO dates are nix
2 we have got variation of the same( but not that) version
A (date) similar to that would be the cpls meet and swap partners and continue on a dbbl date and no one knows the difference when you are as a dbbl date or two cpls out together
you spen the evening doing whatever two cpls do for the evenings entertainmen then you both leave and retire to a home or a motel room for the evenings play that is the closest that we would ever go to (dating) with another cpl never parted from the other we always play together . What do you think of that !
Thanks for all the responses. The general consensus here seems to be that most couples would not do this because they are afraid that it would ruin their relationship. I guess my question is---Why would anyone in the lifestyle be AFRAID? We realize that everyone has their own preferences, but why shun someone who suggests something new and different? Open-minded seems to be the watchword here and what better word to describe the Lifestyle?
Funny, seemd to me most of the responses addressed the fact that they like to play together...not for fear of ruining their relationship, but because that is what they like...again, there you go, judging people who aren\'t interested in what you are...accusing narrow-mindeness
We didn\'t say we were worried about our relationship being hurt. We said we have done separate and would in the future. We just prefer to see each other having fun.
That\'s cool, LADYFARIE. We have done that ,and it was great! The point here is that it\'s all good.
We think most are trying to say that the greatest enjoyment is watching you spouse have fun is just as much fun as you having sex with another person when you seperate you lose that fun ofr watching each others being pleasured its not about afraid of ruining a relationship because lets face it if your relationship is not solid BEFORE you begin swinging then that in itself will lead to relationship problems.
DPISUN,
Touche!
Touche!
Hope I spelled that right.....LOL!
lol - got ya! BTW, good luck finding that couple for your \"open relationship\"...gotta make sure I get my definitions right...but don\'t discount the ones who might not be up for that kind of playing...we have a lot of fun the way we do it too!
We agree with the double date situation, that works for us and we do prefer to do the same room thing when having sex. Although after we get to know you and feel very comfortible with you we have been known to go do things seperatly and feel just as good with that . It is not saying that anyone is wrong ,or insucure it is just a preference that we have. We are open minded enough to except that that is what you would like and we are ok with that, most vanella people would cut you to the bone for thinking that way, we are just saying it is not for us.
While we do like separate bedrooms ,we do not go on seprate dates,for us that would be tasking it a little too far.We will go out and eat or whatever with the other couple,then when we all gp to play we just go to separate bedrooms.
Nothing wrong with doing it the way you stated but it just wouldn\'t be our cup of tea to go on completely separate dates.
Nothing wrong with doing it the way you stated but it just wouldn\'t be our cup of tea to go on completely separate dates.
We personally would not do a \"open relationship\" for one reason - we are already married. We did not get into this lifestyle to replace our spouses, we got into it to see if we could make an exciting sex life any more exciting and to try something new. We do not have probelms with people who want to \"date\" it\'s just not for us. We would do like a sexy scavenger hunt or something to that effect, with seperate partners then do dinner together - all 4 of us - then have sex but it would be together.
But again that\'s just our opinion.
But again that\'s just our opinion.
Like what was said in the post above..we are not looking to replace our mates. It\'s not the fear of replacement for us either. We tried the first time on sepreate beds, and neither of us liked it very much. We both missed each other as we could hear each other but not see. When we all moved into one bed, it was a million times better. I must confess that I get more enjoyment watching my wife get or give then I do getting it most of the time. We prefer to play all together, not as two seperate couples the whole time, such as both guys playing with one wife while the other wife is pleasing her, etc. and when we do pair off, I love to reach over and hold my wifes hand as she is coming and I love to feel her hands in my hair as I please the other wife...It\'s just what we are into.
We have zero interest in playing apart. We are very much in love and are so tuned into each other that many times it is hard just to seperate and go to work. I know we might be making some of you sick, but that is the way we are and any of you who have met us will back this up.
We are not judging, the last thing anyone needs is more judgement. If you like to split up, more power to you, it\'s not our thing and we have no interest.
If this makes us les than swingers, well then, we are less than swingers and happy
Have fun with what ever your thrill is!
Art and Dawn
We have zero interest in playing apart. We are very much in love and are so tuned into each other that many times it is hard just to seperate and go to work. I know we might be making some of you sick, but that is the way we are and any of you who have met us will back this up.
We are not judging, the last thing anyone needs is more judgement. If you like to split up, more power to you, it\'s not our thing and we have no interest.
If this makes us les than swingers, well then, we are less than swingers and happy
Have fun with what ever your thrill is!
Art and Dawn
Thanks for all the opinions. Interesting.
As we said before, we enjoy all aspects of the lifestyle. We feel that \"the Game\" is one of the most exciting things about sex, and what better way to play \"the Game\" than with separate dates. Doing this as a couple eliminates all the pitfalls that come with \"the Game\", i.e. Will he/she call?, How do I feel about this person?, Did they like me?, Should I ask them out again?, Should we start a relationship?, and yada yada yada. You get all the exciting parts of \"the Game\", get laid, and go home to the person you have chosen to share your life with. Also, it re-creates the desire to play \"the Game\" again yourselves. I think that you would all agree that \"this\" is what fades with time in a relationship. I\'m sure there have been couples who tried this and failed miserably, but I\'m also sure that there were other issues that contributed to the failure. At the risk of pissing some of you off again, I am going to have to use the word \"secure\" again. If I am secure enough to sit and watch another man fuck my partner, why aren\'t I secure enough to allow her an adventure without me?
We haven\'t done this yet, but I can assure you--we will. By the way, we are not married. I\'m not sure that changes anything, but I suspect that the words husband and wife are part of what causes the fear. A relationship without fear has always been my dream, and thank God I have found it!
As we said before, we enjoy all aspects of the lifestyle. We feel that \"the Game\" is one of the most exciting things about sex, and what better way to play \"the Game\" than with separate dates. Doing this as a couple eliminates all the pitfalls that come with \"the Game\", i.e. Will he/she call?, How do I feel about this person?, Did they like me?, Should I ask them out again?, Should we start a relationship?, and yada yada yada. You get all the exciting parts of \"the Game\", get laid, and go home to the person you have chosen to share your life with. Also, it re-creates the desire to play \"the Game\" again yourselves. I think that you would all agree that \"this\" is what fades with time in a relationship. I\'m sure there have been couples who tried this and failed miserably, but I\'m also sure that there were other issues that contributed to the failure. At the risk of pissing some of you off again, I am going to have to use the word \"secure\" again. If I am secure enough to sit and watch another man fuck my partner, why aren\'t I secure enough to allow her an adventure without me?
We haven\'t done this yet, but I can assure you--we will. By the way, we are not married. I\'m not sure that changes anything, but I suspect that the words husband and wife are part of what causes the fear. A relationship without fear has always been my dream, and thank God I have found it!
For us a lot of the fun of \"playing\" with others is hearing and seeing each other enjoy them selves ,, that is a big Turn on for both of us .. hard to do that if the other one is not there ,
As for Runnign or beign afaid to play alone becsue we are afraid of what will do to our realtionship that is not the case at all , I ( Fem ) will do coffe or lunch with friends ( or new people we are meeting ) alone .. but it never go beyond that unless we are both there ... we got in to the lifestyle to share ..
We have been married for 33 yrs in the lifestyel for about 5-1/2 years and are closer and more open with each other than we ever have been ..
Another note ... for the prespective of my hubby being a retired cop .. alot of it for him is a safty issue .. he loves me and wants me to be safe ,and taht is not beign afraid it is bening careful .. .. now if we at a house party ,.. that kind of thing we do NOT have to be side by side but the one is close by if needed .
ok have added my two cents for what it is worth .. LOTS of sexy naughty fun to all of you
As for Runnign or beign afaid to play alone becsue we are afraid of what will do to our realtionship that is not the case at all , I ( Fem ) will do coffe or lunch with friends ( or new people we are meeting ) alone .. but it never go beyond that unless we are both there ... we got in to the lifestyle to share ..
We have been married for 33 yrs in the lifestyel for about 5-1/2 years and are closer and more open with each other than we ever have been ..
Another note ... for the prespective of my hubby being a retired cop .. alot of it for him is a safty issue .. he loves me and wants me to be safe ,and taht is not beign afraid it is bening careful .. .. now if we at a house party ,.. that kind of thing we do NOT have to be side by side but the one is close by if needed .
ok have added my two cents for what it is worth .. LOTS of sexy naughty fun to all of you
For us that just doesn\'t FLOAT, we got into this lifestyle so we could see eachother having a good to great time. As for one going off and playing all by their selves we agree thats just cheating. We knew of this couple in England who had a totally open marriage. And when the man was in town the wife would screw him a few times, but when he was going she was out almost every night getting a taste of something different, (if you catch the drift) when we asked him about that he said he enjoyed getting to hear about her exploits. But his eyes gave him away. He was disturbed deep inside that his BRIDE would rather BANG everyone else then she did HIM.
Please allow me to clarify. We are not talking about running around screwing everything in site. We are not even talking about doing it as if you were a single. We are talking about a planned event with a couple where everyone is in agreement and has the desire.
Here is a post we made some time back:
An overnight swap would be an interesting idea but WAY too scary for me to actually do. I think it would be something like we meet in the parking lot of the restaurant. We would go inside after the wives traded the husbands off. We would pretend not to know each other as soon as we got in the door.
Hopefully we would sit near each other so we could watch what was going on and maybe the ladies could both head to the rest room at the same time. They could do a reality check to make sure it worked out.
My idea is that we are out of town far enough that we would not run into anyone we knew AND we would have to have hotel rooms. Maybe we even have gone to a resort somewhere.
After dinner each couple would leave and go on to the rest of the date. Movie or dancing. Do a little site seeing. Who knows, but more of the date?
The fantasy could end here with the couples meeting up at a predetermined time and place. Like one of the hotel rooms for a wild foursome.
BUT, if gutsy, after the date the
An overnight swap would be an interesting idea but WAY too scary for me to actually do. I think it would be something like we meet in the parking lot of the restaurant. We would go inside after the wives traded the husbands off. We would pretend not to know each other as soon as we got in the door.
Hopefully we would sit near each other so we could watch what was going on and maybe the ladies could both head to the rest room at the same time. They could do a reality check to make sure it worked out.
My idea is that we are out of town far enough that we would not run into anyone we knew AND we would have to have hotel rooms. Maybe we even have gone to a resort somewhere.
After dinner each couple would leave and go on to the rest of the date. Movie or dancing. Do a little site seeing. Who knows, but more of the date?
The fantasy could end here with the couples meeting up at a predetermined time and place. Like one of the hotel rooms for a wild foursome.
BUT, if gutsy, after the date the
Cheeseheadcouple, Now that\'s what I\'m talking about. Cool! Exciting! Did you do it? Do you wanna do it? LOL LOL. Where the hell is Wisconsin?
We would never go for it for a first meeting for sure. For us (me at least, the male half) It isn\'t that we are not secure in our relationship, hell we have been together 15 years and in the lifestyle for 14. It\'s more of a physical security kind of thing.
No on the other side of the coin, if it were with a couple we both have known or better yet TRUST then the seperate date thing isn\'t a problem. We have done that before.
This lifestyle for us is hugely based on trust. And to counter the counter for that, I TRUST my wife totaly and completely, without question or reservation, BUT I DO NOT trust everyone. What you ask, unless I am mistaken, with completely seperate dates upon FIRST meeting. That is asking a bit much from a trusting lifestyle.
Also it ISNT cheating if everyone has full knowledge and consent
Just my 2 cents
No on the other side of the coin, if it were with a couple we both have known or better yet TRUST then the seperate date thing isn\'t a problem. We have done that before.
This lifestyle for us is hugely based on trust. And to counter the counter for that, I TRUST my wife totaly and completely, without question or reservation, BUT I DO NOT trust everyone. What you ask, unless I am mistaken, with completely seperate dates upon FIRST meeting. That is asking a bit much from a trusting lifestyle.
Also it ISNT cheating if everyone has full knowledge and consent
Just my 2 cents
Being in this lifestyle for over 13 years weve seen and done a lot of different things. First off lets clarify this: we never cheat and wouldnt do anything without the others knowledge first.
We have done the \"full swap\" and with very close friends we knew for well over 3 years. what did we do? We traded wives for an entire weekend. Thats right mine stayed at their home and his stayed at ours friday night all saturday and saturday night. When sunday arrived we regrouped and had a terrific 4 some both the women seemed even more eager to please and be pleased this in no way hampered our relationship but bettered it giving us a stronger bond and the stories we have to tell when we crawl in our bed at night gets pretty damn hot!!!!!!!
We have done the \"full swap\" and with very close friends we knew for well over 3 years. what did we do? We traded wives for an entire weekend. Thats right mine stayed at their home and his stayed at ours friday night all saturday and saturday night. When sunday arrived we regrouped and had a terrific 4 some both the women seemed even more eager to please and be pleased this in no way hampered our relationship but bettered it giving us a stronger bond and the stories we have to tell when we crawl in our bed at night gets pretty damn hot!!!!!!!
NOPE not had the guts altho we know the couple it most likely will happen with. We would NEVER consider this with a couple we did not know very very well.
We are talking about doing a weekend away at a murder mystery mansion. That way we are kind of close but kind of seperate.
We are talking about doing a weekend away at a murder mystery mansion. That way we are kind of close but kind of seperate.
We enjoy full swap very much, though i\'m sure many people have many different definitions of full swap. Alot of our enjoyment in full swapping same room etc.. is to see the other being plessured. But to go out on a so called date, just isn\'t anything we are interested in. We both enjoy watching the other be pleased ,
But if it\'s what you like, then we would say go for it
Just something we wouldn\'t be into.
D & B
, But if it\'s what you like, then we would say go for it
Just something we wouldn\'t be into.
D & B
ok lets try this once more. We didnt go out on a FIRST date or meet with STRANGERS we had spent 3 years playing and partying and living life and yes this lifestyle with the SAME people we knew for over THREE years, had spent so many weekends together if its possible just like a conventional couple marriage the sex started to become,,, \"monotonous\", GASP! between the 4 of us we had done all that 2 bifemales and 2 straight males could do over and over again and yes we traveled did a week at a nude campground almost every 6 months had other cpls join us. We just got bored and tried something we wanted to test and it was great !!! Sorry for getting so many confused we wouldnt have considered doing that with anyone we didnt Know, Trust and wernt 110% comfortable with.
Legs where the heck is Mingo Juntion???
And we agree with your post 100%
And we agree with your post 100%
Mingo Junction? 30 miles North of the \"Wheeling Feeling\" lol
DAMN here we were hoping there was some fun in Cleveland next week.... Oh well, just go do the normal boring Cleveland stuff
I guess once you make a judgement about someone (such as their security) it\'s hard to let it go and open your mind to others\' points of view, regardless of what they say, you think you know them better than they know themselves, and why they like to do what they do.
We have very open minds ourselves. We value all opinions. Everyone has things in the lifestyle they like, or would like to try that other people may not be interested in. .
I\'m sure alot of people are that way.
D & B
BTW were in Gallipolis Ohio hehe!!
I\'m sure alot of people are that way.
D & B
BTW were in Gallipolis Ohio hehe!!
XXXtasy2 well said we have found the same alot of unmarried young cpls in the lifestyle look at this as a game to us its more than a game its about friendships and sexual feelings and at the end of the night you want to go home with your true love. We are a full swap cpl but draw the line at seperate dates not because we don\'t trust each others but more because we want to see each others being pleasured surer thier are those times we may go to a seprate room with someone else but after we get out of the rooms we get with our own partners and share the friendships.
dbfortmill is Bidwell near jackson? I think I spent a couple of days in jackson one afternoon....