http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0344/BillText/Filed/PDF
This is scheduled to commence as of Oct 2011
This is scheduled to commence as of Oct 2011
I don
[quote=SEAKINGHER]I don
First of all procreate means to get pregnant and have children not fuck. Second, I know that PETA is supposed to be liberal but they are not. They are just far to their own side of conservative; I will make others obey my laws and live my standards types. Just exactly what Lucifer wanted to do in heaven and the opposite of Christ if you follow the Mormon side of things.
On the other hand, Liberals let others live their lives without putting regulations on them unless they are hurting others and I don
On the other hand, Liberals let others live their lives without putting regulations on them unless they are hurting others and I don
No offense, but you have that completely backwards.
LIBERALS - believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.
Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems (Dictatorship).
CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.
Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems (peoples republic).
LIBERALS - believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.
Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems (Dictatorship).
CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.
Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems (peoples republic).
as for the use of vulgar terms...i'm not one that likes to go around throwing the F bomb like its acceptable, therefore i tried to choose a term that all would understand. call me old fashioned, but the use of profanity only degrades ones intelligence. unfortunately my attempt to avoid vulgarity was lost on you in the fact that you were too focused on your point of view and trying to be "right". Call it what you may, humans and animals have no place in fornicating with each other.
Yes liberals do believe in being Christ like.
never said they didn't. but if you consider yourself a liberal or even being Christ like, you might want to go back and see where Christ ever used the F bomb.
Lol... uhm.. By Linnaean Kingdom, I meant to indicate that Humans are animals. The bill doesn't actually exclude people as animals, and as such it makes human->human sexual relations unlawful.
That is hilarious that it doesn't exclude humans. Why do people not consider humans as animals? As for the other argument that arose here. Both liberals and conservatives take rights away and give others so that part of the argument is just silly. Beyond that, while it is difficult for disease to jump the species barrier it is the source of many of our most famous diseases. Disease exploded when humans started keeping livestock close by. Chicken pox, AIDS and many more came from animals. As for my position. I fall back on the default position of prohibiting sex between drastically different species just because this isn't a subject that has involved me so I haven't looked into it. The devil you know right? By the way, why are people using christian arguments to support a point on a sexually oriented website? It amuses me.
HIBRIGHTEYES wrote:
No offense, but you have that completely backwards.
LIBERALS - believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.
Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems (Dictatorship).
CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.
Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems (peoples republic).
Let's be real here. Liberals are trying to get the federal government to protect individuals in states, like Utah, that have extreme conservative views on sex, personal liberty etc. A true liberal will seek personal liberty, regardless of government. You sound like a FOX news fanboy/girl. The truth of the matter is conservatives (republicans) are some of the biggest oppressors on the planet. They push government regulation as well, except it benefits corporate america and not the small guy. It's the "conservatives" that are pushing social laws born in the good book etc. So spare us the sermon on how conservatives are somehow more American. It was the conservatives that got us in two wars and jack the national debt up and got the whole world thinking we're a bunch of idiot cowboy 'merican retard (Bush).
I would take a democrat over a republican any day. Remember it would be a republican that would be the first to Axe a Swinger website before a democrat. The true American lies in personal liberty, freedom, justice etc. It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. It has to do with the seeking to be free and just and the best means in which to get there. So spare us the FOX News bullshit.
My two cents..
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Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems (peoples republic).- Actually, that would be a libertarian.
Conservatives/Neo Conservatives often promote laws that protect the upper and upper middle classes and business. Socio-capitalistic society is the way to go.. Moderation. Sure as fuck isn't strict conservative/republitard bullshit.SEAKINGHER wrote:
Yes liberals do believe in being Christ like.
This liberal doesn't believe in the Christ myth. I am just sad I won't live long enough to see a planet free of that crap. Religion is the real problem with it all. Most of it anyway...
I'm truly amazed at how blind people can be. First off, if you read my posts again you will see that i agreed that both parties impose restrictions on the people and made the comment that there should be compromise from both sides (as there should be in any relationship).
you should also note that the descriptions of both parties is based on fact not opinion. google the description of conservative vs. liberal and you'll see that on paper, those are the beliefs of each party. you can find the quote i posted here - http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/
thirdly, when as you say "I am just sad I won't live long enough to see a planet free of that crap. Religion is the real problem with it all. Most of it anyway...", you begin to undermine the entire foundation of this country...FREEDOM. this country was founded for the sole purpose of getting away from a monarchical/dictatorial/socialistic society. We became the worlds leading power because of those beliefs, including freedom of religion. This also includes the right to not be religious. The problem isn't in the religion, its in the people trying to force their views upon others (and yes, this includes political views). what works for one group of people doesn't necessarily work for others. thankfully we have the right that when we disagree with it we can not only voice our opinion to that extent but we can also choose not to participate. But when you begin to force people in the opposite direction, you are just as guilty as the original group.
the problem with todays society is that truly there are no defined boundaries. conservatives and liberals alike work hand in hand very regularly which has confused people as to what each group presently stands for. personally, i'm not a conservative nor a liberal because i don't agree with either party fully. i prefer to do the research myself, understand the issue at hand and use logic and common sense (which unfortunately is lacking in most) to determine who and what i support. it would be wise for others to do the same. unfortunately too many are willing to take at face value that which is fed to them.
do i support Fox...yes and no. i don't agree with all they say, however, the minute you begin to restrict freedom of speech from any source you begin down a path that will be impossible to turn away from, which soon would prohibit even the most simple forms of free speech, including forums such as this. let them say what they please, let others do the same.
all in all, do i feel there needs to be changes in society, absolutely. do i feel conservatives or liberals have a viable candidate...not even close.
you should also note that the descriptions of both parties is based on fact not opinion. google the description of conservative vs. liberal and you'll see that on paper, those are the beliefs of each party. you can find the quote i posted here - http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/
thirdly, when as you say "I am just sad I won't live long enough to see a planet free of that crap. Religion is the real problem with it all. Most of it anyway...", you begin to undermine the entire foundation of this country...FREEDOM. this country was founded for the sole purpose of getting away from a monarchical/dictatorial/socialistic society. We became the worlds leading power because of those beliefs, including freedom of religion. This also includes the right to not be religious. The problem isn't in the religion, its in the people trying to force their views upon others (and yes, this includes political views). what works for one group of people doesn't necessarily work for others. thankfully we have the right that when we disagree with it we can not only voice our opinion to that extent but we can also choose not to participate. But when you begin to force people in the opposite direction, you are just as guilty as the original group.
the problem with todays society is that truly there are no defined boundaries. conservatives and liberals alike work hand in hand very regularly which has confused people as to what each group presently stands for. personally, i'm not a conservative nor a liberal because i don't agree with either party fully. i prefer to do the research myself, understand the issue at hand and use logic and common sense (which unfortunately is lacking in most) to determine who and what i support. it would be wise for others to do the same. unfortunately too many are willing to take at face value that which is fed to them.
do i support Fox...yes and no. i don't agree with all they say, however, the minute you begin to restrict freedom of speech from any source you begin down a path that will be impossible to turn away from, which soon would prohibit even the most simple forms of free speech, including forums such as this. let them say what they please, let others do the same.
all in all, do i feel there needs to be changes in society, absolutely. do i feel conservatives or liberals have a viable candidate...not even close.
DARCONE wrote:
Lol... uhm.. By Linnaean Kingdom, I meant to indicate that Humans are animals. The bill doesn't actually exclude people as animals, and as such it makes human->human sexual relations unlawful.
i too noticed that it doesn't define what an animal is...very interesting... definitely could cause some legal issues in the future and/or set some very unwanted legal precedences. the bill either needs to be reworded or at least amended with the addition of a description of what an animal is.
Actually the State of Florida does have a legal definition of "animal" with sub definitions of domestic animal, draft animal, and non-domestic animal. Interestingly, aside from humans not being considered animals neither are reptiles, amphibians, or birds. These definitions can be found in other areas of the law related to animal husbandry and veterinary legal requirements.
On the topic of the new law, intent is the key issue. One of the things that has often been an issue with animal sex laws has been the large number of circuses and other animal training acts that are based in Florida. The new law specifically creates an issue that has in the past been handled under animal cruelty.
As for the new law restricting people's freedom, it is created in the best interest of the animals. Since I oppose true cruelty to animals (as opposed to PETA's definition) I completely support the new law. I don't believe someone should have the right to molest their pets, or to put a bunch of unwanted kittens in a bag and throw it in the river, or set a dog on fire. Simply because it is a human doing it to an animal doesn't mean the animal isn't an innocent victim.
As for which party and/or affiliation is more concerned with restricting our rights: both are. Liberals and conservatives both want to stop people from doing whatever it is they disagree with. Libertarians are the only ones I know of that are for limited government that has mandated responsibilities.
On the topic of the new law, intent is the key issue. One of the things that has often been an issue with animal sex laws has been the large number of circuses and other animal training acts that are based in Florida. The new law specifically creates an issue that has in the past been handled under animal cruelty.
As for the new law restricting people's freedom, it is created in the best interest of the animals. Since I oppose true cruelty to animals (as opposed to PETA's definition) I completely support the new law. I don't believe someone should have the right to molest their pets, or to put a bunch of unwanted kittens in a bag and throw it in the river, or set a dog on fire. Simply because it is a human doing it to an animal doesn't mean the animal isn't an innocent victim.
As for which party and/or affiliation is more concerned with restricting our rights: both are. Liberals and conservatives both want to stop people from doing whatever it is they disagree with. Libertarians are the only ones I know of that are for limited government that has mandated responsibilities.
Talk about taking things out of context and using it for one's own agenda. Sheesh. Just take a look at "828.02 Definitions.--In this chapter, and in every law of the state relating to or in any way affecting animals, the word "animal" shall be held to include every living dumb creature;"
How the hell this post turned into something about liberals is amazing. And here I thought transporters from Star Trek were fantasy. Not on forums. It is easy to go from Point A to Point XYZ.
Mav
How the hell this post turned into something about liberals is amazing. And here I thought transporters from Star Trek were fantasy. Not on forums. It is easy to go from Point A to Point XYZ.
Mav
Shucks MAVENX can
Seak, I will agree with being better off with fewer laws. Sadly the way the judicial system works it can be very hard to prove some things under existing laws because while common sense says that they should apply legal sense doesn't. Take sexting for example, you would think it would fall in to line under the other laws like phone sex, e-mail sex, ect. with a minor. Nope, FL judges ruled that sending sexual by text over a phone was not the same as sending sexual messages by e-mail or instant messenger, and thus a new law was required to stop pedophiles from using this loophole.
Actually, if you live in Polk County, Florida, sex is ALREADY illegal.
At least that's the way it would appear if you read the headlines.
First of all, there are ZERO adult-oriented businesses here - not so much as a place to rent adult videos, much less a titty bar.
The Sheriff's Department runs one prostitution sting after another, and it seems at least once a month, a child porn ring is busted.
Our high sheriff even filed charges against an Oklahoma man (and had him extradited here to Polk Co.) because he was selling what was deemed to be child porn literature online, and it was available to a Polk County, Florida buyer.
I'm certainly not condoning either prostitution or child porn but, it appears our sheriff has an aversion to sex (or at least a fixation to it).
So if you're going to fuck in the privacy of your own home, make sure your blinds are closed and your doors are locked.
Big brother may be watching - and Polk County may already have a law against whatever it is you're doing.
At least that's the way it would appear if you read the headlines.
First of all, there are ZERO adult-oriented businesses here - not so much as a place to rent adult videos, much less a titty bar.
The Sheriff's Department runs one prostitution sting after another, and it seems at least once a month, a child porn ring is busted.
Our high sheriff even filed charges against an Oklahoma man (and had him extradited here to Polk Co.) because he was selling what was deemed to be child porn literature online, and it was available to a Polk County, Florida buyer.
I'm certainly not condoning either prostitution or child porn but, it appears our sheriff has an aversion to sex (or at least a fixation to it).
So if you're going to fuck in the privacy of your own home, make sure your blinds are closed and your doors are locked.
Big brother may be watching - and Polk County may already have a law against whatever it is you're doing.
Post constitutional america isn't and never has been a represenative democracey with the exception of one day a year. outside of elections day we are a republic ("and to the republic for which it stands") whether you believe in god or not, it is what it is at this point until constitutionally changed by a group of what ever you want to call them quasi democrats, repulicans, libritarians. tea party to name a few. All of which could really care less about pretty much all of the topics and ideals discussed here-in. "AIN'T NO MONEY IN IT FOR THEM".
Regardless, by virtue of this discussion and the varied topics and beliefs of rights expressed here-in, I am glad to be an american where at least I know I am free to pay taxes and live by some 389 million laws inacted in 50 states to govern 10 commandments. I think that is why they call it politics.
Regardless, by virtue of this discussion and the varied topics and beliefs of rights expressed here-in, I am glad to be an american where at least I know I am free to pay taxes and live by some 389 million laws inacted in 50 states to govern 10 commandments. I think that is why they call it politics.
very well said. im proud myself its to bad we cant be free