What are morals? Do morals really exist? Can swiners really claim that they are moral individualls. Are you more moral if you believe in God or less if you do not. I wonder what you think and how moral we really are.
I figure that the golden rule, kharma, and working to better myself as a whole are good morals and make me moral and whatever. lulz.
And as far as people thinking morals making you a good person... pretty sure you can be a good person with or without god. :P
And as far as people thinking morals making you a good person... pretty sure you can be a good person with or without god. :P
HELLO_KITTY12984 wrote:
I figure that the golden rule, kharma, and working to better myself as a whole are good morals and make me moral and whatever. lulz. And as far as people thinking morals making you a good person... pretty sure you can be a good person with or without god. :P
We have to agree with Kitty! We know that we live a moral life and we have nothing to fear from kharma. If only more people would only live by, "Do unto others..."
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Speaking of college papers, I actually wrote one on this topic. The "moral" of the story was that sex only becomes immoral if you lie about it. The whole concept of marriage boils down to a contract between two parties. That contract can be written or altered to reflect the preferences of the parties involved. From a religious stand point, "Thou shalt not commit adultery", again adultery implies dishonesty. Swinging does not involve dishonesty, it is an open an honest expression of sex.
I don't lie.
I don't cheat.
I don't steal.
I'm loyal to a fault.
I keep my promises.
I will have your back when ever you need it.
I donate both material items, $, and time to charities and those who need it.
I'm kind to animals, children (except my own LOL), those less fortunate, and my neighbors.
I respect and obey the law for the most part. Im STILL trying to learn how to drive without speeding.
I have taught my children to respect their elders, the law, and their friends.
However.....
I will rip you a new asshole when the one you currently have has your head shove up there.
I will do depraved sexual things with whom ever I want (consensual only) and enjoy every moment of it.
I will kick your ass if you hurt someone I love. Literally and figuratively.
And I don't share chocolate.
I don't what that makes me. Then again, I don't feel like I need to answer to you ("you" in general, not the OP) and justify my behavior. Your morals maybe completely different. If yours offend mine then I have the freedom to say "fuck you" and walk away. And vice versa.
I don't cheat.
I don't steal.
I'm loyal to a fault.
I keep my promises.
I will have your back when ever you need it.
I donate both material items, $, and time to charities and those who need it.
I'm kind to animals, children (except my own LOL), those less fortunate, and my neighbors.
I respect and obey the law for the most part. Im STILL trying to learn how to drive without speeding.
I have taught my children to respect their elders, the law, and their friends.
However.....
I will rip you a new asshole when the one you currently have has your head shove up there.
I will do depraved sexual things with whom ever I want (consensual only) and enjoy every moment of it.
I will kick your ass if you hurt someone I love. Literally and figuratively.
And I don't share chocolate.
I don't what that makes me. Then again, I don't feel like I need to answer to you ("you" in general, not the OP) and justify my behavior. Your morals maybe completely different. If yours offend mine then I have the freedom to say "fuck you" and walk away. And vice versa.
Who determines what morals are?
The golden rule is good but moral compasses are different therefore many feel as if they haven't been treated the way they would have liked to be by others.
Murder is one of the only non-moral actions agreed upon by most societies...
Sadly, it is usually determined by this quote from George Orwell...
"Who controls the past, controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
I believe, that if it makes you feel guilty, you should not be doing it. that goes for every aspect of life. Not just some parts of it.
i like to eat babies. they taste like chickens. and chickens taste like babies.
Kitty, they go best with a light honey BBQ sauce 
Seriously, we live with only one ethical standard: Do not harm others unnecessarily. Simple and to the point.
As to the difference between morals and ethics; I have always believed that morals are those things society pushes on you, be it your church, the law, family, ect, while ethics are those things you take for yourself and make a part of your own beliefs and actions.
Do I view myself as moral? Not really. I have consciously chosen to ignore those things which society has attempted to push on me in favor of what I believe to be right and wrong. I obey laws I don't agree with not because I believe those laws to be moral, or myself to be moral, but because I do not wish the repercussions of breaking those laws. That and I live in serious red-neck country and our prostitutes are just downright scary <ewg>.
Seriously, we live with only one ethical standard: Do not harm others unnecessarily. Simple and to the point.
As to the difference between morals and ethics; I have always believed that morals are those things society pushes on you, be it your church, the law, family, ect, while ethics are those things you take for yourself and make a part of your own beliefs and actions.
Do I view myself as moral? Not really. I have consciously chosen to ignore those things which society has attempted to push on me in favor of what I believe to be right and wrong. I obey laws I don't agree with not because I believe those laws to be moral, or myself to be moral, but because I do not wish the repercussions of breaking those laws. That and I live in serious red-neck country and our prostitutes are just downright scary <ewg>.
Wow...serious topic here...I think I have to agree with what most have said though...especially Kitty...kisses...Naugh-Ty
I was raised to believe that morality and the law are the same thing. People, in LDS society anyway, seem to profess that being moral is obeying the law and that is what they teach their children in church. I have always assumed that other religions do the same thing. But what seems to be said here is that swingers feel that the law has little or nothing to do with morality and that we are perfectly willing to break the law for our own pleasure. Is that what we are saying here.
SEAKINGHER wrote:
I was raised to believe that morality and the law are the same thing. People, in LDS society anyway, seem to profess that being moral is obeying the law and that is what they teach their children in church. I have always assumed that other religions do the same thing. But what seems to be said here is that swingers feel that the law has little or nothing to do with morality and that we are perfectly willing to break the law for our own pleasure. Is that what we are saying here.
Depends on what you are considering law. I think even in the LDS tradition there is an understand that God's law is higher than man's or governments law. A large part of the controversy of LDS polygamy comes because it was in disobedience to the law. Where church leaders believed that following their religious conviction was more important then what U.S. law said. But if you are taking some overarching moral law, like Kants categorical imperative then maybe. I think most swingers have the same ends in mind and no is being used as a means for an end. However that being said, I think most swingers seem to follow a more utilitarian guideline that pleasure is good and what promotes pleasure is good.
...that all depends on who you ask! If you feel good about who you are, how you live your life, how you treat others... then yes, you are a moral being (if you weren't you'd feel it)...
xoxo, a very moral CandeeMe
xoxo, a very moral CandeeMe
MILFOAOA wrote:
Give me a moral swinger over a cheating, lying, decieving spouse any day!!!!!
well said there is something to be said about knowing instead of jumping to what if's
There's so much to write here, so I think I'll just bring up two points. In my experience, someone who has realized Atheism through careful and philosophical thought, tend to be much more moral than theists. Furthermore, the bible has to be the worst script imaginable to derive ones moral bearings--especially the old testament. If taken literally, the bible has many examples where rape, genocide, incest, and much more are excusable under certain conditions.
Simply put If you are Religieus you need to check their deffination of MORALITY.
If you're not then WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN, some form of "God" or "Paganism" etc.
Then Finally what do you Fell and think is RIGHT/Wrong.
CAN'T BE JUST ONE CORRECT RESPONSE.
If you're not then WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN, some form of "God" or "Paganism" etc.
Then Finally what do you Fell and think is RIGHT/Wrong.
CAN'T BE JUST ONE CORRECT RESPONSE.
Morality has to do with not hurting each other in a relationship. Nothing to do with others.
HELLO_KITTY12984 wrote:
i like to eat babies. they taste like chickens. and chickens taste like babies.
Aw...Kitty, you been listening to Eddie Izzard again?
Neuroscience makes morality out to be largely born in and more complicated than just "stuff god doesn't like". For example, what one may see as an immoral act may in fact be quite honorable to someone in that person's in group. A gang banger seems immoral when he kills a rival gang member but a soldier is doing the same thing except that we call the gangs nations. What religion manages to do is take false credit for morality so that it can attach additional memes on so we get motivated to do those too. This amounts to "lying is bad so sex must be bad too". The problem with buying into that logic is that not everything churches say are bad actually are and can even override true morality. For instance, a religious hatred of homosexuals. This doesn't always happen and there are many influencing factors (again morality is quite complicated according to neuroscience) but it is often a potent driving factor. The short answer is that the more people you include in your in group the more people you will act morally toward.
My previous comment was in no way intended to say that soldiers are immoral. We need them and they provide a courageous service for all of us. Just to say that those who seem extreme (the gang banger) may be acting in a way we can understand and possibly relate to.
CRAZYFOXTCU - you're turning me on. Am I immoral to feel that way? (I'm holding up my sarcasm card...)
K.
K.
CRAZYFOXTCU wrote:
My previous comment was in no way intended to say that soldiers are immoral. We need them and they provide a courageous service for all of us. Just to say that those who seem extreme (the gang banger) may be acting in a way we can understand and possibly relate to.
So what you are sayting is that 9-11 was really a moral act and Iraq was simply a moral responce to that act?
From certain perspectives yes that's what I'm saying. Religion twists things but from the view of an Islamic extremest what those terrorists did on that plane was the pinnacle of a moral example. From our point of view it was horrid and sick. We are in the out group to these terrorists and religion has warped their view so that they think they need to defend the ideals of their in group. Understanding that they believe they are doing good things doesn't excuse them from the bad things they do. Like how the Pope isn't innocent for using his influence to stop people from using condoms in countries riddled with AIDS and parent less children. He believes he is doing right but is inexcusable.
CRAZYFOXTCU wrote:
From certain perspectives yes that's what I'm saying. Religion twists things but from the view of an Islamic extremest what those terrorists did on that plane was the pinnacle of a moral example. From our point of view it was horrid and sick. We are in the out group to these terrorists and religion has warped their view so that they think they need to defend the ideals of their in group. Understanding that they believe they are doing good things doesn't excuse them from the bad things they do. Like how the Pope isn't innocent for using his influence to stop people from using condoms in countries riddled with AIDS and parent less children. He believes he is doing right but is inexcusable.
I am afraid I have to agree. I think morality is a moving object and simply a point of view. It does not take religion or lack of it to make you moral because morality is a self designation and has no absolutes. If we pass laws to protect morality based on an absolute definition of morality, then we are climbing out on a limb and cutting it off behind us.
I think hellokity defined the goal when she said
Morals are a set of rules we live by; some can be bent, some can be broken, right? It's that thing that allows people who are religiously devout to swing despite whatever teachings there are about such things; it's that "twist" in thinking that allows people to be bi- or homosexual and all despite what the majority has to say about it.
It's all about what works for you within the framework of what society considers to be moral. There's right and wrong... but it's really about what's right and wrong for you, isn't it? And, really, if someone busting your ass about your "immoral" behavior, well, what skeletons do they have hiding in their closet, hmm? To that end, isn't it a matter of he who is without sin casting the first stone? I'm thinking there won't be a lot of people reaching for rocks...
Rob
It's all about what works for you within the framework of what society considers to be moral. There's right and wrong... but it's really about what's right and wrong for you, isn't it? And, really, if someone busting your ass about your "immoral" behavior, well, what skeletons do they have hiding in their closet, hmm? To that end, isn't it a matter of he who is without sin casting the first stone? I'm thinking there won't be a lot of people reaching for rocks...
Rob
I think there are a number of definitions of "moral".
I've always tried to live a good clean, law-abiding life - one guided by the Golden Rule.
I've never stolen from anyone, I've never killed anyone, and I've never knowingly done anything to hurt anyone.
As it applies to the Swinging Lifestyle, let me put it this way:
I may "fuck" your wife - but I'd never "fuck" you.
So tell me, does that make me moral or immoral?
I've always tried to live a good clean, law-abiding life - one guided by the Golden Rule.
I've never stolen from anyone, I've never killed anyone, and I've never knowingly done anything to hurt anyone.
As it applies to the Swinging Lifestyle, let me put it this way:
I may "fuck" your wife - but I'd never "fuck" you.
So tell me, does that make me moral or immoral?
MORALITY?
If ur asking then there's your answer.
First u have to ask yourself are u religous or Spirtual.
If ur Religous then banging someone else's wife is wrong.
If your Spiritual then it's more about the belief's/Guidelines you set for yourself in life.
That being said I'd have to think everyone on this site is more Spirtual than the other,
if not referrence Sodom and Gamorrah also Paganism.
If ur asking then there's your answer.
First u have to ask yourself are u religous or Spirtual.
If ur Religous then banging someone else's wife is wrong.
If your Spiritual then it's more about the belief's/Guidelines you set for yourself in life.
That being said I'd have to think everyone on this site is more Spirtual than the other,
if not referrence Sodom and Gamorrah also Paganism.
ALSO IF YOU BELIEVE IN THEM: "THE TEN COMAMANDMENTS"