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Obama's Roadtrip - - [quote]Fair enough. Then why rely on them for anything that likely wasn't adequately studied?[/quote] Likely just does not do it for me...When the numbers are given AND shown how they were gathered, I tend to believe they are fairly accurate. [quote]Let's take your Pepsi/Coke example. There is likely nothing befuddling about your scenario. Just one possibility: Where are the two Florida products bottled? Maybe it's the water.[/quote] Both bottled locally, it is chalked up to being a preferance thing. In WI, lived there for a while, it was called pop or soda, unless a VERY specific thing was needed, a Mountain Dew for instance. In the south, it is a Coke no matter what it is. If someone in the south offers a Coke, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Diet Rite, Sam's Club Soda, etc. [quote]I'm glad you agree with the logic. My Bachelor's is in Social Welfare (Psych Minor). Human nature is only a bitch of a thing when you get out there a few standard deviations. The bulk of us are as predictable as rats.[/quote] Believe it or not, I have 2 BA's (econ and int. rel.) with a minor in social work. So I am very aware of social science standards and SOME believe that we're predictable. If you have a smaller sample, we are fairly predictable, especially when the sample is taken from a specific group of people (swingers for instance, better yet, swingers in a specific region), once you get to the larger populations (nationwide for instance), human behavior is not easily quantified. Try being the ONLY conservative in all the social work classes, it was fun! Then again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. [quote]I propose that as an economist you are simply looking at things with a limited perspective. [/quote] Possibly, but I also have a rare ability to look at it from an outsider's view.... [quote]There is simply no question that if a person's basic needs (food and shelter) are met, there is less motivation to risk the consequences of violating societal rules.[/quote] I can see the logic of this, however, we are Americans, we always want MORE, we are constantly bombarded with images of MORE, we are constantly told that without MORE we are incomplete, etc. What are the consequences of violating societal rules? Food, shelter, clothing, TV, etc? Really tough there. Look at prisons in Mexico, if your family does not provide, you starve, more than likely. THAT is consequences, it is a deterrant (sp?). IMHO, one of the reasons for our increased crime rates is the lack of public punishment. If every time you turned around, you saw a group of people in black and white stripes mowing lawns, trimming trees, etc. on the side of the road in leg chains, it would cut crime considerably. If they did public executions, it would cut crime dramatically. Then again, I am a staunch supporter of heavy penalties for crimes, especially when they are repeat offenders, most of the social scientists are not. They want more rehab and such, which I also support, BUT only for first timers, not for repeat offenders. Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying our debate... Next!

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - I have noticed so far that the couples that have scorpios, it is usualy the mrs. that is the scorpio....lol I agree we are all horndogs!!

Wannabes and net fakes - Will the real lifestyle members please stand up - We have learned the best phrase to learn quickly in this lifestlye is "NEXT" lets face it this is nothing but a #'s game you have to contact loy=ts to find the few good ones and once you find those good ones it makes all the weeding out of the fakes and flakes worth it. Like we tell people a social meeting or two is fine but we do not intend to date you a year before you decide if you want to play with us or not . We just wish people would have the balls to say at least "no thanks" or tellthe truth they are "wanna" swingers into only the fantasy of it and never really intend to do it. When we find those we simply say "NEXT!" Norm&Sharon

"LDS" Profile Names - - We used to be Mormons (Well, technically, Ms. Evil still is, I guess.). And we've know MANY swingers over the years who have been involved in recreational non-monogamy (A nice way to say committing adultery. LOL) as well as differing levels of activity in the LDS church. We knew one couple a few years back who would party HARD on Sat. night and still be up early and in the pews every Sunday morning. Invariably they would text us every Sunday evening telling us that they were no longer going to swing...and then about Wednesday of every week they would text again asking us if there were any parties going on the next weekend. LOL It never really bothered us that they somehow justified or practiced some sort of cognitive dissonance when it came to the two activities since most people we know do the same thing but in differing areas of their lives. One of several reasons we chose our screen name was to poke a little fun at ourselves for taking up wife swapping while we were still somewhat active Mormons. I think,perhaps, a more interesting question/topic isn't how many have "LDS" (or some other designation associated with Mormonism) in their screen names but how very many once staunch Mormons have felt a strong desire to flaunt the strict and onerous chastity laws of the Mormon church to actively participate in our little hobby. [em]Emo_12[/em]

New Swingers Club in Utah - Gauging interest in new club - Unfortunately, the church idea was tried just over 12 years ago. The state shut it down quickly.

Swinging on the increase. - - I think they are everywhere!! LoL...especially down in the Draper, Sandy area...I threw a rock to see how many swingers houses I could hit in any direction and I averaged two out of every three houses were swingers...the odds went down the further south I went tho...lol..people just started getting mad at me and/or invited me to church.. Evildoers you guys probably don't have to look very far I'm sure...we always enjoy reading your funny posts, and some of your pics are hilarious! Love the mini Tabasco bottle...lol...the Mr was goin to do one with a chapstick but it was too close in size ;) ;) ;) ;) .... Back to the topic...we think swinging IS on the rise too. The link is a pretty good article, similar to others we've read. I hope more n more people join the club (as long as they're ready for it) ...its been a good thing for us and we have had some amazing experiences and met some great people.

NEW YEARS EVE IN FLORIDA - - We will be here 90.00 dollars no reservation needed prime rib and many other items on there menu plus party favors at midnight and breakfast early morning......see you all there!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to CLUB ELITE! Tampa Bays Premiere Swingers Club Club Elite, located in Port Richey Florida, was founded in September of 2007 for the purpose of providing a home to the swinging community of not only Tampa Bay, but the entire nation. The owners, Eric and Angie, have been ambassadors of the swinging lifestyle for over a decade. They have hosted parties all over the state of Florida and have also managed several clubs and events in the Tampa Bay area. Through their years of service they have become very well known and loved through out the swinging community world wide. With some assistance from a close knit group of friends Club Elite began to take shape on August, 6th 2007. A location was found, licenses were acquired, and construction began. The club illustrates the love and passion that Eric and Angie have for the swinging lifestyle. They have poured their hearts and souls into the creation of Club Elite and are making it the home for Floridian swingers and swinging visitors from around the world. Be prepared to experience the Elite side of swinging. Club Elite is sure to be the soul destination for swingers who demand only the best in atmosphere, friends, location, and experience. Club Elite is truly the home of homes for the elite swinger. Please come in and experience the lifestyle as it was meant to be experienced! Only at Club Elite! Much Love, Eric and Angie

Christain Swingers? - - I have heard it on the internet though I have never heard a swinger that I have met personally say they are Christains. Maybe I am wrong in thinking this, but I do not believe that Christainity and swinging can mix. I just do not think it is possible. It seems morally impossible. I am no bible philosopher, but I know that there are things stated in the bible that do not point to swinging being accepted by God. I don't know. That is why I am here. What are your opinions on it? Is it possible? Can you be a Christain and be a swinger? Enquiring minds want to know.

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Thank you SNS2N1, you have hit the nail on the head and we truly appreciated your posting. For all who have not read it, please do.

Female sex fantasies. - What do women really think about sex? - [quote=EVILDOERS] We may have to agree to disagree here. We've been in the lifestyle for almost 3 decades and have talked to countless people (yes, many of them even women-haha) who have talked openly about the fantasies they have and have had and sometimes, sadly, how often those fantasies were stifled to some degree or another by societal expectations and repression as well as suppressed by how they were raised by their parents (especially their mothers..."Good girls don't do/say/think things like that."). [/quote] This is just anecdotal and you are failing to realize that you are talking to them in a LS scenario where everyone wants to be the super open and cool movie star-like swingers. Same reason all SM's in the LS are respectful, kind and the Good Lord's gift to couples seeking MFM or even the ones that are not. We all play The Imitation Game. They will talk to you openly, honestly, will tell you how much they enjoy it, how healthy for their relationship is. It almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But, unless you were raised in a far away land where the LS was a norm and that we all know it has never existed, these confessions are an integral part of the illusion. And, if you take all that at face value, you are lying to yourself and even worst, believing it. [quote=EVILDOERS] It seems more than just a little condescending and even a little bit misogynistic.[/quote] I've been called worst lol. It's just biology, we think we are this almighty superior species, key to the universe, chosen to be sovereigns of all when all we are is just mammals with an unusually large brain victims of our own imagination and gullibility for the most part. And yes, imagination is sometimes good, that's how we got to the moon. But that's also why when you go to an Indian casino, you only see pictures last dozen big winners from last year but you don't see the thousands of losers of this week. Most of us are trapped in a dream and think we can make our own reality. "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9