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Swinging/Polyamory - I just wanted to hear other people thoughs on this....... - We think the problem is that people see the equation "sex = love". IOW, if I have sex with you, I must love you. Therefore polyamory and swinging are the same. After all, if I don't love you, I won't be having sex with you.
The way I see it, swinging is like a game of golf or tennis. I might play a game with you but I don't love you. Similarly, I might have sex with you but I don't love you.
Poly, IMO, is basically having a relationship with that other person and sex is involved on some level. Kinda like "I'm in love with you and oh, BTW, lets make love"
The way we see it, swinging is about exchanging sexual partners for recreation sex. In an orgy situation at a party, you can have sex with that person with zero words exchanged. In a poly relationship, there is a real connection going on besides just sex. Sex becomes incidental just like it is with married couples.
With swinging, there is no emotional attachment. Is that a good thing? Well, it depends. We need to understand the very simple nature of things. We do this to avoid that. That is human nature. Many swingers DON'T want emotional attachments and avoid them because of the complications they cause in the first one. Are there benefits to the attachments? You bet. Is there a price to pay for that benefit? But of course. Is it worth it to you? That depends on your viewpoint.
In our life as a couple, the problems poly cause BASED ON OUR OPINION (your's may vary and no right and wrong here) do not outweigh the payoff. IOW, we don't think the benefits of a poly relationship are worth the problems it creates based on our opinion. YMMV
Tooele swingers party 2 - Doing our second party - [quote=NIPPLESNNUGGETS]Date?[/quote]
Nipplesnuggets: Just an FYI, your profile picture is SMALL. Looks like you uploaded a thumbnail by mistake.
Camper talk - Swing parties in campers have you done it - Other than Sturgis we have never been on a swingers camping trip, we are definitely in 😀
Ways to point out Swingers in public - - We agree. SOMEWHENTIME , where did you get yours? What type of ring would you all prefer? Do you like the idea of the silicone rings. Hell we could even print on it your preference. MW4MW OR MMF MFF whatever it may be.
On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children -
IMPORTANT COURT CASE MAY AFFECT SWINGERS WITH CHILDREN NATIONWIDE!!!
URGENT NOTICE TO RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE
This Notice is directed to all swingers, exotic dancers, adult
business owners and anyone involved in the adult industry. There is a
very important legal case going on in the state of Florida which can
affect everyone in the swinging and adult community nationwide who
has children under the age of 18.
Deltadawn who is a fairly well known member of the swinging community
in the Tampa Florida area has lost her right to see her 2 1/2 year
old baby girl simply due to being a swinger. Deltadawn had shared
custody of her 2 1/2 year old baby girl with her "ex," who happens to
be an attorney. He found out that she was in the swinging lifestyle
and has filed a motion with the Hernando County Court of Florida to
remove all of her parental rights, primarily on the basis of her
swinger lifestyle.
THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS AND
DETRIMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR EVERYONE IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE.
The outcome of this case is critical and could set precedent for
everyone involved in any form of the adult lifestyle nationwide. If
the argument that participating in the adult lifestyle reflects
adversely on parental rights, losing this case could open a Pandora's
Box for lifestylers with children across the country. An adverse
decision in this action could mean that anyone, gay or straight, with
children could be at risk of losing their children and having their
parental rights stripped away, simply because of the lifestyle that
we all enjoy. Swingers and everyone in the adult entertainment
industry would have to live in fear that they may be turned in and
could lose their children simply because of our lifestyle choice.
WINNING THIS CASE COULD HELP ESTABLISH CASE PRECEDENT AND HELP
PROTECT OUR PARENTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Winning this case will mean loving parents do not have to live in
fear that our legal system, some governmental agency, or some
adversarial parent, will have the ability right to terminate your
parental rights or take your children, simply because of a lifestyle
choice that never involves well nurtured children.
The rejection of private sexual lifestyle as a basis for terminating
parental rights will set precedent that could serve to protect those
in the lifestyle or in the adult entertainment business from
unjustified intrusions into their personal lives. Under the U.S.
Constitution we should have the right to our lifestyle choice without
censure, condemnation and fear of losing our children.
Deltadawn has retained Luke Lirot as her attorney in her fight to
maintain her parental rights. Luke Lirot is one of the premier
Constitutional and adult civil rights attorneys in the country (you
can do an internet search of him to verify his credentials). He is
constantly traveling all over the country defending peoples civil
rights and is a true champion of justice. He is constantly in the
newspaper and often appears on television nationwide. As any lawyer,
he depends on his clients to provide him with a living, and Justice
comes at a price. Deltadawn needs your help...
We need all people involved in the swinging community and adult
industry, nationwide, to reach into their pockets and contribute to
her legal defense fund by donating what help they can to attorney
Luke Lirot.
THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HELP US ALL
Please make checks or money orders payable to: LUKE LIROT, P.A.
(Please write in "Deltadawn Legal Defense Compensation" in the memo
section of your check or money order)
For further information, please contact:
Luke Lirot
Attorney and Counselor at Law
112 N. East Street, Suite B
Tampa, FL 33602
(Tel) 866-387-8469 (TOLL FREE), OR 813-221-9533
(Fax) 813-221-9175
Email: [email protected]
We sincerely appreciate your goodwill and support in this urgent and
important matter!
POST SCRIPT FROM LUKE LIROT:
This legal battle is truly tough. Deltadawn's lifestyle experiences
are being used as a weapon to try and take a loving child, much in
need of her mother's love, away from her. To stop this effort, we
must employ every possible tool at our disposal. We need the services
of psychologists, social workers, and other professionals to show
that Lifestyle characteristics, never revealed or foisted on any
child, have no detrimental impact on children.
Under Florida law, like virtually every other jurisdiction in the
nation, the factors evaluated by the courts are whether parental
contact "is in the best interests of the child." To do this, we need
to show that participation in the Lifestyle, in and of itself, does
not make anyone a bad parent.
There are only a few formalities. Under Florida Law, Rule 4-1.8(f) of
the Rules Regulating the Florida Bar governs "Compensation by Third
Party," and allows for parties unrelated to the litigation to pay
fees and costs on the clients behalf.
The Rule states:
Compensation by Third Party. A lawyer shall not accept compensation
for representing a client from one other than the client unless:
1)The client consents after consultation;
2)There is no interference with the lawyer's independence or
professional judgment or with the client/lawyer relationship; and
information relating to representation of a client is protected as
required by Rule 4-1.6 (confidentiality of information)."
If these conditions are acceptable to you, and you care about this
important case, we would welcome your help.
These donations are not tax deductible, but they are evidence of true
human kindness. Thank you!
-Luke Lirot-
We just moved to sunny Florida! - Looking for new friends in the Tampa area! - Hello swingers! After a short hiatus, we are back, after moving to sunny Florida! We are living in the Tampa Bay area, and looking for new friends, to hang with, and hopefully, play with. We have been members here for quite sometime, and hope we can make new friends in our new home!
Please contact us if you would like to chat, meet, just say HI!
Ron & Chrissy
PornHub responds to Utah's porn crisis! - With data! - This data is always off...how many other places can you get porn? It's not as prevalent here as it is in other states so of course our internet subscriptions are off the charts...but that's me and I don't pay for porn...that's why we are swingers durr! Hehe!
Parties - Venting - We go to many of the parties and know many of the planners. They put a lot of effort into creating a great experience. This is certainly party season for Swingers. Its unfortunate that the price has risen this year because there are going to be great fun people who can't afford it and not be able to attend. The party planners do an swesome job creating the environment and the opportunity for us to all get together, but it is the people that come, that make it epic.
C&K
Now that you're one of them there fancy swingers... - - So what you're saying is that you're kind of turning into sex snobs a little bit? ;-)
How close is too close - - FITZNBELINDA
Actually, swinging will very quickly bring out and magnify flaws in a relationship, even in good relationships. The difference is that a good relationship/marriage will use this info to increase the trust and communications and make that relationship stronger.
You asked about swingers as compared to the general public... The divorce rate in the general public is between 66 and 77% depending on which figures you are looking at.. THis is both for 1st and 2nd marriages. Approx 70% of all married people, both male and females, in the general public, now will admit to extramarital affairs. Since extramarital sex is the essence of swinging that is not an issue but marriages in the swinging community are stable approximately 85% of the time or only 15% of swingers marriages fail... as compared with 75% failure in the general public... In other words non swingers are 340% more likely to get divorced than swigners... or 3.4 times as likely.
Respect is one thing but sometimes Stuff just happens. We don't ask for it we are not open for it but still it still happens.... My love for others has no effect on my wife and my relationship.. She understand who I will be going home with and that I don't wish to cause others grief.. If people are honest with themselves as well as others and you respect people enough to understand what's going on and care about their feelings you just walk away before any damage is done...
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