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Can you be in love AND swing? If so, tell us how! - - The only way any relationship works is mutual respect/love/caring/communication. It doesn't matter if it's a marriage, LTR, or any other possible configuration. As proof I would submit that 60+ to 70+ percentage of marriages, both first and second, fail in the "normal" world. Also in poles taken, 60 to 70% of all married people or people in relationships have had relationships outside of marriage without their partner's knowledge.....i.e., "CHEATING". Swingers can hardly cheat, although it sometimes happens... Divorce in the swinging community is about one quarter of that in the "normal" community. I would submit that the reason for this is
a. the partners respect and love and trust each other as no other group does.
b. the need or want to cheat is virtually eliminated...
c. communication needed for the trust and the ability to work thru hard relationship problems is in place and working well
d. RESPECT for each other as individuals is greatly enhanced. Jealousy is part fear and part possessivness... Fear of loosing, fear that someone is better, fear that they are inadequate.. and many more fears are basiclly absent. And possessivness is not possible if you and your wife or SO are sharing yourself with others.
One thing about swinging.... If your relationship is good, communications are good and your sex life is good .....Swinging might very well work for you, as a couple. If there are any problems, fix them first or stay out of swinging... A good relationship will generall be enhanced by swinging. A relationship with problems will generally magnify problems introduce problems and ultimately cause devistation in that relationship.
You life coach has their head where the sun doesn't shine...and knows not of what he spake...
Amen
Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL
Blindfolded Gangbang 12/13 in Murray - - [quote=Sm435]**UPDATE**
We have 4 reliable tall attractive guys coming. We did this a couple weeks ago with +4 and with everyone staying for round 2 it was all she could handle, even had to shower in the middle of it. So we are capped with single males.
We have a few more that would like to join but we need another couple with a PARTICIPATING female before we can add more. We are totally laid back, comfortable and fun to be around. The males invited are also fun and comfortable.
So,if there is a couple that would like to join, please PM YOUR KIK USERNAME. With work restrictions, this is the only way we can have a conversation, and you will need to live pic verify on kik. Sorry if that is too much, but with all the fake couple profiles here we must have that in order to be invited.
DO NOT CONTACT us if both parties are not 100% in and 100% excited to join us and can bring that fun vibe with them. We will have enough fun as it is, but we are swingers and love to share.
PM you KIK username and be able to answer a few questions and live verify together.[/quote]
Do report back on how it went or I'll just send you a PM. Enjoy yourselves tonight!
Vegas Trip 9/4-9/8 - Vegas Trip 9/4-9/8 - Whispers is kinda dumpy and can vibe was trashy.
Playhouselv is better..
Free pool party www.kasidie.com/swingers/parties/112906/free-playhouselv-pool-party-wbig-announcements--las-vegas-nv.html
Forum Community - EVERYONE!! - This is a good site that rivals Playful Swingers only a lot less cliqueish!! Let's get these forums moving, come on folks ask and reply.
Swingers dying out? - Is the utah swinger community dying or becoming to needy? - Hell don't know how to do the Quote massage LOL But yeah what LAPUA said
Best swingers club for a 26m/36f couple - - [quote=Mrnmrsb]I would recommend playhousLV for people your age. Just my personal experience. We've been to all of the above mentioned ones in vegas and the crowd at those clubs were much older. PlayhouseLV has been amazing every time we've been. Always a good crowd of attractive younger people. Lots of play spaces and always a ton of people playing. We get lucky every time we go there. When we went to flirts all older people literally just hanging at the bar drinking. I kid u not. Not a single room was being utilized to play in. EXTREMELY BORING. Whispers we left 5 minutes after walking through the door because the crowd was much older. And not very attractive.[/quote]Agree with you on this! Flirts definitely depends on the night and if you went when it was newer it may have been that way. Still a little older crowd but when we went last time we had to wait to use a bed/room!
Jewellery, logos, etc to identify other swingers - We would like info on websites catering to discreet items to let others "know" we are in the lifestyle - Hey have just what you want go to Lifestylegear.com or go to clubtastebuds.net for the link to the gear you are looking for:) Enjoy your cruise.
We would love any Hedo info you might could share we are going on the trip listed in the National events June 8 to the 15th.
Take Care Traci and Pat
International Swingers Day - How are you celebrating? - [quote=EVILDOERS]We left some Jager and condoms out for the god Eros and then had the fam over for a big celebration.
[img]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kWnrYWNYmos/WNTUz2ePvvI/AAAAAAAACUs/duO0GaSF3AgCa89Hro5VVPXIGxzrVilMgCLcB/s1600/Big%2BTeen%2BOrgy.gif[/img][/quote]. The fam? Your profile says Salt Lake City not Alabama hahaha
Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - If you choose individually not to play with singles, then that is ok. We all have our preference. However, why try and bad mouth the entire group, in an attempt to demonize them to everyone else or to exclude them from social gatherings.
But Don I am not trying to demonize them ALL I did say in my experiance 75 to 80% ...
LOL... I just host M&G and meet them there other than spend my time on emails.... and I don't bad mouth the entire single males group...... trust me I do give them a chance when writting to me... now if right of the bat I get can we chat on yahoo?... can we trade pics?... I say...pics for what?... you can see mine on here... I say am sorry but I don't think we are a match... now if it was like that pesky one this morning I say FU I already blocked you for a reason....
I host M&G's ever month over here... last time we had 3 cpls and and 10 single guys in my room... so obviously I don't push them all away....
Now Uluv...... he seems like a preatty decent, respectfull guy... but he is not our type, that is all... and I don't think we are his type either... so you see we all have our preferance when it comes to who we are going to take to the room, car, beach, rooftop ...lol
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