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What would you do? - what does a person do when their spouse no longer wishes to paticipate - Well. How amazing that the "couple in question" just happens to be in my home town. And my wife and I are at a serious impasse about the same subject, but in the "traditional direction" i.e. I still want it. She still doesn't. I'm... very surprised that a bunch of Swingers are so unanimous that "No trumps yes": that swinging is just something you do - but are ashamed of enough that any "no" in the group instantly defines the partner's life as well. Why isn't "yes" just as valid? In our case, we've been married for over 25 years. We've had a very-good run. Our children are grown and gone. We're financially comfortable. And we're still physically capable - as we watch our parents be physically unable to walk, hear, see, pee, or do much of anything to enjoy *anything* - the point there being that I hear the clock ticking and to me, this is THE time of life to reap one's reward for the life one has lead - before it's too late to do anything but try to keep breathing. And for me, being honest, the ONE thing that is my reward - is erotic fun. Let me be clear that what I crave is *erotic fun* - not just madly try to find someone new to fuck and never see again - but partners who want to wallow in the erotic experience of "Truth or Dare" and Lifestyle conventions and teasing and games. That's IT for me. That's why "doing it" is called "doing IT". And I've been a great husband/father/responsible citizen for over 50 years. And I feel that there isn't anything else in my life that really gives me a "reason for living". And my wife, bless her, just has never had any passion. She enjoys it when I have sex with her. When I give her a nice massage followed by 3 or 4 orgasms. But she's happy with twice a month or less. And she had no need at all for my "erotic experiences". So here we are. And over the last 10 years we've tried pretty-much every possibility: traditional fidelity, me cheating, us swinging, me swinging alone with her permission... and it always ultimately winds up that the only way she is not *miserable* is if I'm following "traditional fidelity". And the only way I'm not miserable - is if I have the freedom to pursue erotic associations. Now. If my passion were bowling, there wouldn't be a problem. If her passion were gardening or shoe shopping, there wouldn't be a problem. Everybody would just tell us to do our thing without the other - and enjoy what we *do* enjoy together. But somehow sex is THE one that we have to do *together* or not at all. So we're very very seriously trying to figure out if we'd both be happier by tearing up a marriage and going our separate ways. We can all *say* that whoever does NOT want to swing - rules the day, but imagine whatever your very-favorite thing is to do. Then imagine your spouse telling you: "I don't like to do that, so WE won't ever do that and You won't do it without me - and you won't do it alone, either - ever again". Now what?

Las Vegas - Swingers clubs ect. - playhouselv.com or flirtslv.com both are great. Each a little different. Definitely would recommend flirts over playhouse but that's our opinion. You can try playhouse one night and flirts the next.

Why do you swing? - Why not? - [quote=DEEPMOAN]I started early in college, wasn’t called swinging but partying, had been with women already but the threesomes and larger parties started then too. Had gotten married after grad school to someone that hadn’t experienced any of it. Started as pillow talk when he asked about my past, I asked him then if he seriously wanted to know, in the back of my mind I knew I shouldn’t bring it up. But things in bed weren’t great and I had tried and was trying to talk about it but he didn’t take suggestions well. So I thought putting it all out there might help. In the beginning it did help, we were trying new stuff just between the two of us but always talking. Then he asked if I still knew anyone, told them pretty much everyone you have met of my friends had been or still are involved. He asked if I what sex with her or her or her, but then reluctantly asked if I had sex with him or him and told him. Those two I had threesomed with, been with her and her and him and him. We would have great sex while I was telling him about the parties or whatever. I asked him if he wanted to go to a party sometime? I made sure I asked while we were not having sex so he could absorb it all or hope he would. At that point personally I don’t think I would need to swing but the thought of starting up again was certainly exciting for me as well. Am sure you can probably understand how this all went. Unfortunately he didn’t have the mind for swinging, talking about it or fantasizing about it he did. Thought the best thing would be for me to invite a couple over. Friends of mine that he had gotten to know, he was quite taken by her. I had always had a great time with them. I spoke to them both to see if they were interested, told them how we got to this point. They said they would be up for, us three agreed we would take it slow and let him try and get a handle on how things progressed. Had asked him if he wanted to be in the same room with things heated up? We would see how it went and make a decision then. My gf thought it might be better if they were separate and he didn’t have to worry about me in the room with him. All went great, dinner and drinks, out by their pool, the 4 of us were talking about all and at one point Tina grabbed him and took him to their bedroom. Was telling him I had no idea how this was going to go, but relaxed and started having some fun myself. Very shortly after I could hear them in the kitchen, she and I had talked that before they came out she would take him somewhere close so I would know they were on their way out and I could stop rather than be in the middle of something. Her husband knew as well. Tina and my husband were telling us how much fun they had but I knew something didn’t go well. Finding out he was asking Tina about my past, all sorts of questions, things he didn’t ask me. Of course Tina’s response to all were I don’t know, we got home and in bed I was asking how it went, he was telling me a bunch of shit, how he got her off, how much she loved it, a lot more of the same, also how much of a stud he was and she did things I never did. He asked what we did, told him not much, mostly talk, had given him oral, why just that, because you were gone less than a half hour, but told him we were talking. So much for the great sex after. Like I said earlier, he just didn’t have the mind for it, nothing I was going to do or say would have changed that I believe. After we went to a couple of house parties, but the pillow talk had stopped and knowing after he saw me had sex at a house party it wasn’t going to continue like our marriage, snide comments about me with other men and other reasons were the end of our marriage. Was meant to be single, truly believe that even when I get a romantic connection now with a partner, man or woman.[/quote] That really sucks. Sorry to hear that. It makes me laugh (cringe?) when I hear so many swingers talking about vanilla hunting and/or converting their friends to swinging. The harsh truth is that MOST people simply cannot handle swinging and are best left to their fantasies about fucking other people recreationally.

Couple in Sandy - could use some tips - - [quote=HUMMINGBIRD]Hell I didnt even know there was a fancy side to the bar at Applebee's[/quote] That's where they hold the swinger's meet'n greets on Saturday nights (the dance floor is REALLY small so get there early--bogo appetizers to the first 50 swingers!)...and apparently, the annual convention for the Order of Fraternal Unique (Professional) Couples or, O-FUC!, as it's commonly known.

looking for men - would like a few good men - We are very discreet, clean and D and D free. We would love to meet a few men that we could play with on a regular basis. We are not looking for numbers or super experinced swingers. Too risky. Just someone to have regular fun with.

South End - Is the secret milf game a faux? - So, after several months here's my results. Connecting through swingular mail after CLOSELY reading a couples profile does lead to results BUT only if after a few email exchanges, including a friend request, leads to an exchange of phone numbers. Success has been only through connecting with husband who screens for wife. Switching over to another email server like gmail at the request of the couple is a waste of time. Just and endless stream of BS. I presume the long string is not accessible by swingular, who knows. Also, couples (male half) has read my profile and connected directly. Same thing a quick exchange of phone numbers. Meet ups this way have all be positive with satisfaction all around. Lastly, I want to thank those couples who have replied back, even when the reply is "no you're not a fit" this is respectful and what I would expect from serious swingers. Cheers,

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - If it was a "Get Gephardt" It would of been the full story vs 1 sided.

The definition of cheating - - Interesting discussion. Certainly from a relationship standpoint the classic definition of cheating is being with someone other than your partner physically and/or emotionally. As swingers, however, we often hold ourselves above others and fall back on the lying and/or sneaking around aspect. Personally I feel that being dishonest with the person you hold most dear in this life to be the essence of cheating for me. When information is withheld you take away that person's prerogative to choose whether or not to stay in the relationship with you based on your actions outside of the relationship. There are a million ways people rationalize cheating. I find that a person's attitude towards cheating is a very good litmus test for the depth of their character. Now should we talk about cheating on a test or cheating other people out of their hard earned money? How about cheating on your taxes or at a poker game with friends? At what point DOES cheating become morally reprehensible or should it be "all's fair in love and war" and "every man (or woman) for himself"? Or as SIRNEWBY asserts, is self deception/lying/cheating really the only valid metric? Or did I misunderstand your point, SN? It would be interesting to get feedback from people (I'm sure there are plenty) who've been cheated on.

Friends Lists - - We looked through the list of people who have us on their friends lists and thought perhaps we would drop them a note. Guess what?We got no response from any of them.Not even a "not interested or no thanks" note. I don't know..Are there any real swingers on this site?We don't get these problems elsewhere.

OUCH - Anyone caught swinging bu family or friends? - Ran into Ms. Evil's cousin a few years ago. Were invited to an annual bbq non-swing party by a couple who WERE swingers but they said even though all vanilla sometimes the party could got quite steamy. Hung out, drank a lot and flirted with all the cute vanillas and our hosts. Suddenly (while naked in the hottub) I saw Ms. Evil's cousin walk in. I quickly alerted her and tried to dress her quickly and sneak her around the side of the house but she was just drunk enough to think it would be hilarious to say hi to her cousin. Turns out the cousin was a FWB of the hosts since high school and frequently joined them for sex. Of course the host instantly wanted to play kissing cousins with Ms. Evil and her cousin but she had sobered up enough by then to not want to go there. Still see the cousin every so often and though nothing was ever mentioned we all know...LOL