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This lifestyle - What are we really? - MORDON: Huh?? Wow...no easy task to consolidate concepts as broad and inclusive as swinging and/or polyamory into neat little boxes. I'm still trying to follow how you grouped the two into polar opposites. I'm not sure that the way you're defining either of those would be true for the majority of those in the swinging communities, and especially not Sirensextress or myself. If I have the ability to to love more than one person...then yes, I suppose I am polyamorous, but NOT in the same way that a couple who is truly polyamorous might view it (I do love not just one but all my children/siblings and whatnot). You've painted a rather bleak and harsh picture of us non-polyamorists, by boldly stating that swingers are, "friends with benefits....True swinging is having sex just for the sake of having sex. No talking ...no getting to know each other...not caring one iota about the other person. Basically have sex and if the other person dies on the way home ...who give gives a shit!" That statement is well, to put it bluntly, naive and uninformed. We've never engaged in sex without talking, or getting to know one another. How else would we know if there's any chemistry? We care greatly for most of the people we've encountered through swinging, and would most CERTAINLY care if they died on the way home! In short...we "give a shit"! I think in it's broadest sense, the term "swinging" is large enough to cater to the appetites of a wide spectrum of people, from those that are inclined to polyamory, to those that prefer to fuck 'em and leave 'em, to those that are the swinging wannabe's, to those that are exclusive. We are by no means polyamorous, but yes, we've run into couples that are in the truest sense of the word, poly. In fact, we've met couples that have wanted us to participate in the poly lifestyle. However, they are looking for something quite different that what we are looking for. Neither my wife nor myself are looking to be "married" to another couple, or to become a "secondary" husband/wife to them. Yet, being the "non-polyamorists" that we are, and according to your definition, we should be unable able to maintain very close friendships with any other swingers. Actually...our experiences have been quite the opposite. Most of our closest friends have come out of The Lifestyle. Do we love them? Yep. Have/are we sexually intimate with them? Yep. Are we romanticaly involved, exclusive and IN love with them? No. Do we love them like family? Yep. Are we polyamorous? No. Does this just boil down semantics? Yes..probably. However I felt compelled to speak on behalf of those of us that actually do care about the people that we meet through the lifestyle. Cuz we DO give a shit and we're NOT the cold-hearted people we've been made out to be! :)

Why Be In Utah? - - [quote=EVILDOERS]Actually I've always wondered the same thing about Florida. Substitute the crazy Mormons for the Bibile thumpers from Orlando north into the panhandle, add in the hurricanes, torrential rains, gaters, snakes and mosquitos...besides, I've heard the snow skiing is HORRIBLE there. But I'll bite. 1) No porn. You can buy dirty magazines but (unless you know where to go) hard core x-rate movies are technically illegal to sell. A non-issue in the internet age. If you're still buying dvd's at the local porn emporium you need to maybe update your computer or your media server or something. 2) No real beer. Again a myth. You can only buy 4% (by volume) beer in grocery stores but you can get full strength beer at state liquor stores, restaurants and places like brewery stores. Try getting ANYTHING to drink in some dry towns/counties in the Bible Belt. 3) True to some extent, although Salt Lake City itself is VERY eclectic and quite liberal politically. But at least our LDS lawmakers know basic female anatomy and have somewhat of a grasp of proven basic science. No kooky evangelicals freaking out every time someone mentions birth control or evolution. 4) Most people are afraid of Mormons? Really? I've heard they have horns and the missionaries CAN be a little annoying when you're fucking and they're ringing the doorbell but I don't think people are truly afraid. Besides, contrary to popular belief the swing scene here is alive, active and vibrant. I'd wager that per capita we have more, and more active, swingers than just about any place you can name. All that repressed Mormon sexuality eventually bubbles to the surface and until you've fucked a formerly repressed little Mormon girl who's discovering her sexuality you, my friend, haven't fucked! :-) [/quote] EVILDOERS summed it up nicely. I would also add that the cost of living is lower than most "cool" places in the country. Also, the people here seem to be much more attractive than in most states(it probably has something to do with the water). No matter where you live there will be good and bad qualities, but overall the good outweighs the bad in Utah. It's just what you make of it.

911 THE REAL TRUTH - - Please take this idiotic banter to a diferent venue... This is a swingers site and both of you are simply fucking with words that, if we were lucky and Japaneese or some other nationality we would disregard as simply noises made with letters. I think that if you wish to keep this crap up simply go out and do the impossible... and get off this flaming party. You are both like a Japaneese Zero trying to make the enemys carrier deck so as to kill any pilot still in the air because he cannot now land. Problem with this is that neither of you will ever hit the other's landing deck.. and maybe all you two are doing is taking your penis' out and flailing at each other with limp members. Aren't at least one of you big enough to put your dick back in your pants and get on with the business at hand.......Fun Fantasy and sex, real sex, not this impotent flailing of limp rhetoric.. Get off my channel and the channel of every other serious swinger in here. Take it out back somewhere.. Go meet in Vagas or NYC or how about New Orleans. Theres plenty of shit down there to throw since the waste treatment plants overflowed.. Isn't enough, enough. Grow UP NUFF SAID!!!!! BY me and definitely by both of you...Piss off

Combining Lifestyle & Non-Lifestyle Friends - - [quote=SLCJEEPER]Ah, good topic AC! We're happy to have met many people here that we now consider good close friends that we don't have to hide from when we see them at the mall while we're out with our kids. LoL! It's nice to find those who can be vanilla because our whole life isn't about swinging. So, yes, we have had success in blending swingers into our vanilla lifestyle and we hope to find more:) Joe & Debbi [/quote]guess we've been lucky too! We've found a number of friends who we are able to see in a "vanilla" setting, as well....and never had to worry about any "beans" gettin' spilled... As every profile says..."discreation is a must........"

Chat room - - [quote=UTAH-CPLE-2006][quote=RICHNKAY801]We have a discord chatroom full of swingers and zero bots for Utah and the surrounding areas. AZ definitely counts if you are interested let me know and I can send you guys a link. You'll have to verify with Admin because we aren't affiliated with Swingular but its minimal and its a fun group. [/quote] solid idea but couldnt a meeting link be placed right here? it would all operate inside this site and the only way you would even see the link would be to be a member. plus as of now i dont see any bots posting to these threads so seems that would solve that issue. seems like all that would be really needed would be someone to create the meeting and post the link here. am i missing something? [/quote] I guess it could but I am not affiliated with Swingular in any way So I have no control over anything they do. I dont post the link here because I dont feel like weeding out hundreds of single males from the couples. We havea separate verification process and I dont want to overload that process.

Selective Forum topics???? - - Thanks D for pointing our Florida Cracker friends in the right direction. "so we felt obligated"..... So what you're saying is you broke swingers rule 14-b? (Food coming out my snout)

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What to wear to a swingers party??? - - FUN4USXX2001, Personally I like what you are wearing for a lifestyle party.. Just need a raincoat to get there. Neighbors might think it's strange to wear such a coat on a sunny day with 90 degree temps but then they might be even more hot if you didn't... Ray

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What really defines a TRUE swinger? - - [quote=INVITESOME]We never have viewed single males as swingers. To to us and most of our swinging couple friends single males are cheap sex toys you carefully pick from, use them on rare occasions and then return them and forget them. Sounds harsh but the great thing is that is exactly what the majority of single males that we have all met like. We have only met a couple single males out of hundreds that have broken the mold and surprised us. [/quote] For the record at least our experience we have met far more couples where one or the other of them is just plain weird than singles. In fact we almost prefer singles over couples for that reason. Either way life is too short for bashing fellow Lifestylers. People should take their bad attitudes & imagined desirability somewhere else!