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He wouldn’t Listen to “no” - My wife said “no” he kept going - [quote=RICOGI1]This was my point exactly. A lynch mob mentality is not constructive and the one sided accusations(I am not questioning the legitimacy of any accusation)in any forum including that of this thread has only fueled the fire and now has overzealous members messaging the wrong couple with incorrect information. Please take my initial comment in the tone that it was intended and keep positivity in our actions within the community.[/quote] First, a posting like this is everyone’s worst fear realized. People are going to over react, they are going to take her word over his, and we all react this way because we don’t want to listen to both sides of the next story, we don’t want it to happen at all. Us all saying it’s not acceptable is our way of trying to stop the next time. Second, you post about community. What separates swingers from people just “playing around”, is the trust between two people in a committed relationship trusting each other enough to play with others. Being a single male you don’t have someone to answer to, nor protect. Being single you are not a swinger, you just join those who are. Your postings show you feel equal to her, which you are not! This is why most shun SM in the community. Yes we do play with SM, those that know they are an addition to our already fun sex life, and approach it as such.

questions,thoughts, opinions, - Cousins, or family at parties together? - Lol so it sounds like we all need to have a swingers family reunion and instead of swapping wives we all swap, families. Lol

The New Yorker - An LS Friendly Club in SLC - We are new to the lifestyle and looking to find a monthly or weekly meet and greet or private themed events for swingers in Salt Lake. We live in Herriman not sure if there is anything in South of the valley. We are a mixed Latin White couple 51 years old and looking to make some long term relationships with like minded individuals. I see there is some type private group but not sure how that works.

How Old Is Old - - hey blueeyes, from our perspective at least, we think you are probably right and probably wrong at the same time!!! . . . you are right about being in the minority relative to the kind words offered by most in this post, but we really believe you are also part of the vast majority of swingers who use age as a primary basis for discrimination . . . kind of a strong opinion we suppose, except that we can see at least 4 different ways anyone can pretty easily check for age discrimination providing some basis for that opinion . . . BUT, before we go into all of that, please understand that we realize that everyone is entitled to discriminate in any way they see fit . . . in fact, discrimination is not just ok, it is absolutely necessary!!! . . . you see, no one has enough time to sample from every cup (sigh!!!), so everyone has to establish discriminating criteria . . . and, for sure, we're NOT feelin' sorry for ourselves; we realize it's just part of the deal . . . there is one more thing to mention before listing ways to check for age discrimination: we think there is a pretty easy and logical answer for the OP . . . those tired of reading already, can skip to the bottom and get that opinion . . . however, we kinda hope peeps continue reading 'cause, sooner or later, age is an issue everyone will face . . . so, how does one check for age discrimination??? . . . try this: pick any population center (like slc) . . . open a bunch of profiles in that population from different age groups (say, 30's, 40's, 50's, and beyond) . . . record the number of times each profile was "recently viewed" (ya know, that little statistic conveniently provided by swingular) . . . then, simply compare the numbers for the different age groups . . . if your sample is big enough, you will see profile interest decreases with age . . . if you don't want to do the math, just talk with folks of all ages and ask them what they see . . . i know many (most???) complain like crazy about email (but somehow, everyone seems ok with tweeting, texting, facebooking, etc - - - hmmm???) . . . and, shit, there is always face-to-face (omg!!!) . . . so anywho, find an acceptable way to communicate, just ask, and keep track of what people say . . . we've done that to some extent, without any surprises . . . (although this method takes a bit more time, it has the added benefit of allowing you to connect with others) . . . another way to look for age discrimination centers on visiting other swing sites . . . we won't mention those competitors, 'cause we don't want to upset swingular management . . . but, hey, most all of us know where to look anyhow . . . in our experience, virtually all other sites list age preferences inside each profile . . . so, open a bunch of 'em and note age preferences . . . if your sample is big enough, you will see that there is almost no interest in those beyond 55 . . . it's almost like a cliff, and that somehow, sex, sensuality, desirability, etc, have an expiration date . . . we would like to think that it really depends on the individuals involved . . . and finally, there is an acid test: simply stick around the lifestyle . . . sooner or later, you will have a personal verification of the age discrimination issue . . . btw, we hope you do stick around, and we hope you have a great time doing it . . . so, how old is too old??? . . . we simply believe you are too old when finding suitable partners becomes too hard . . . what is "too hard" and who is "suitable" will vary for everyone, so the chronological marker for every swinger will be a bit different . . . but, the bottom line is the same: you are too old when this business gets too hard . . . btw, we certainly hope our time doesn't come too soon!!! . . . cheers!!! . . .

Paranoia Strikes Again - - [quote=ILLUSTRATOR]Her security clearance level would be impossible for any of us on this site to predict. It all depends on what they decide she will know that they don't want the rest of the world to know. That will be determined by the unique particulars of the job she will be doing. Unless someone on here has done the exact same job, it's a rare person who will have the knowledge you're searching for from us. And Cheffette is absolutely correct. They will find everything possible on you, and mostly from those who know you. "Why don't you like pie? Your 5th-grade cafeteria monitor said you threw yours at another kid." Yes. They will check that out. They will scour all your social media, probably even hack your computer (maybe they're doing it right now as you're asking these very questions of us). Anything that can compromise your wife enough to make her give away secrets will be checked and they will ask you about it. That's regardless of a Secret or Top Secret status. Does everyone around you know you're swingers? What would you do to keep them from finding out? Sell secrets? That's what they'll be asking themselves. If she thinks she may not get the job by being on Swingular, You should probably delete the account, scrub your hard drive and stop telling people on the forums about your wife's impending security clearance background check. You may be doing more damage than you think, and, if they do find that you're on here, posting this in the forums, they will see that you aren't capable of keeping your own private matters under control which will make her undesirable and a risk to them. Good luck![/quote] Off-topic, it's odd to me (unless I misunderstand the OP) that instead of telling him she was taking her pics off the account Dana just did it and left it for him to figure out. Is this how couple's profiles usually work? I'd be pissed if a person I trusted went into my profile and affected my ability to use it to get laid.

Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote=HELLO_KITTY12984]i like to eat babies. they taste like chickens. and chickens taste like babies.[/quote] Aw...Kitty, you been listening to Eddie Izzard again?

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - [quote=LUVTHEFUN]We don't like condoms. But we have heard the HPV vaccine is not recommended if you are older than 26, 30, or 45 (depending on the type of vaccine). Not sure the options, other than a small group, tested regularly, would be ideal.[/quote] It’s supposed to be less effective with older people mainly because most have been exposed to HPV in some way the older they are. HPV is the number one STI… chances are you’ve had it and never realized you did, then your body got rid of it on its own. As far as this thread goes, while it might sound ideal to have a small group of friends that are tested clean, the reality is it only takes one of those people to stray and play with someone outside of the group that’s infected with something… then they will bring it into the rest of the group. It would take a whole lot of honesty and trust to make something like that work. Can’t control other people if they decide to have sex with others outside the group… and you’d never know if they put you at risk if they decided to keep quiet. Testing in this LS is a funny thing to us. If you’re active in this LS and are playing with others that are also active, those clean STI results become useless very quickly. You would have to test after each new partner, and after waiting through an incubation period first. Couples that say they have “recent tests” are usually talking about months old tests… how many people (men or women) have they been with since the clean test result? That’s not ever mentioned in our experience… If you test on a Monday, then play with someone infected (and get what they’ve got) on a Wednesday, then get a clean result on Friday, you still have a clean result even though you’re infected. We test for our own peace of mind. Never to show others as proof… we will always only ever trust ourselves with our sexual safety, and take the risks WE can control… those risks are never at zero in this LS, and we recognize that. Oral sex has its own risks as well… Weighing risk and reward is part of it. However, leaving our sexual health in others’ hands is something we just can’t do. We don’t trust you other naughty fucking people that much 😂 So condoms always for us. To each their own.

What if??? - Some body's worst night mare. - 1. I know someone else in my family that are swingers. Not my parents although I highly suspect they have engaged in such activities in the past. 2. I have run into various family members (siblings, cousins, etc) at m&g's and parties. Awkward for a minute and then we laughed it off and we have the understanding that we don't out them to others and they don't out us to anybody either. Although technically my mom knows anyways as I've had random discussions with her in the past. We never ran and hid. Its handled tactfully. We try to keep our personal sexual adventures private in general and its understood that "keep your mouth shut around family and friends that dont know and we'll do the same." It works. MRS_ROCKZO

Pink flamingo - How many swingers have a pink flamingo in their front yard? - So just so I have this correct, it's an upside down pineapple?

Sturgis 2014 - The wife and I are wanting to know where the swingers play @ Sturgis - There is usually a group that stays at Glencoe Campground..even if you don't hook up with anyone, the fun can't be beat there! I'm sure there will be some at the Buffalo Chip as well, but campground wise, Glencoe can't be beat, in our opinion.