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Western Caribbean Cruises in Feburary (anyone going) - Feb. 21st Carnival freedom - Mar. 1st RCCL Independence - Just want to know if any one is going and wants to meet up on these two cruises in Feburary, The first is on Carnival Cruise Line's the Carnival Freedom leaving Ft Lauderdale on Sunday Feburary 21st to the Western Caribbean for 6 days, The Next one we are taking while we are already there on Mar. 1st is on RCCL Independence of the Seas also to the Western Caribbean for 6 more days, We would love to meet up with other swingers while on these cruises for a more exciting cruise, What better way than this to make great friends for 6 day's. Also any couples in the Ft Lauderdale or around the Cruise Port that might want to meet for a afternoon or night out of the 28th, Maybe go to a club or dinner and or just stay at the hotel order in and have fun, We are between ships and staying at the Embassy Suites on 17th street. E-mail us we would love to meet some fellow swingers.

Swingers gone bad?? - - We agree these people are not swingers and should not be even close to the class of swingers.

swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - LOL virgin cpl....what's wrong? you have a guilty concience about something? I don't recall mentioning your name in any post but if the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it. And what was it you spent 9 years doing? Your profile says that you've only been here since feb. Your math is about as bad as Dons......putting people in a minority.....Hasve you two looked at how many members there are here, and how many people like you and Don post the way you do just to start shit? Do the math.... NOW who's the minority? And Don is right. He didn't start this thread, but he sure turned it into another one of his court holding sessions. As far as me being some kind of forum cop.... I couldn't care less. I know how to avoid threads if I choose to, And if you do a little research you'll see that i seldom post here at all. Mainly when Don shows what a jerk he really is, and now it seems that your following in his footsteps. Goos luck with that.

I Sense A Disturbance In The Force - You know it when it happens - You are walking around a mall, store, or sitting in a restaurant when you sense a disturbance in the force. You feel it in your belly. You know it just happened. You look over at another single or couple and you get that feel. It is not just that you are attracted to them, you KNOW they are Swingers. Ever happen to you? Mav

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - The article stated that there are alot of that nasty stuff taking place in Kaysville and Farmington. Now why have we not been invited to these sleezy events? We can't imagine our 3 parties a year was what the article was referring to. Simples Edited for Evel, looking at it called for a revision.

Any Swingers out there? Golf swingers that is... - - I'm up for a round, will have to set something up! Can't say I'd be Palmer's nemesis, but I sways enjoy a good round, and typically buy golf balls in bulk. ;)

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - Hmmmm ... more popular than I imagined. And that's a good thing!!!

Single Males - - [quote=CTA313][quote=EVILDOERS] ...get a girl to join you....Not only do you now "bring more to the table", but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.[/quote] Ignoring the need to "finesse" someone and unhealthy gender stereotypes in general, this line of reasoning is a little troubling as it presumes that a male's company is inherently worth less. Or that an absence of semi-romantic relationships somehow speaks poorly of his character. I personally think approaching someone whom you aren't already fairly close with and soliciting to go to a swingers party is a bit out of line. Especially if her company is sought as an accessory to demonstrate to others that he is not, as you say, “a douchecopter”. Call me old-fashioned. [quote=EVILDOERS] I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys? [/quote] Oh, I hope you are! That's a really unfortunate outlook to have. Promising relationships take time to find, let alone build to the requisite amount of trust and stability to try things like this. In the mean time, I don't see anything wrong with someone pursuing their interests while still holding out for someone worthy of their emotional investment. To me, that behavior is quite attractive should be respected! It doesn't get any better than someone who is confident, self-actualized, and motivated to pursue their desires. Sadly, it sounds their gender influences whether this is seen as a desirable trait. I'm not sure how long you've been out of things (30 years?), but it's easy to forget the struggle when you're comfortable in a marriage. Things are more fluid. People don't feel the need to settle down like they used to. [quote=EVILDOERS]I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree....many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.[/quote] This is just confirmation bias if the evidence comes from a sample of people you have met while swinging. [quote=EVILDOERS]...those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.[/quote] If you're not comfortable sharing your wife with someone you might view as a potential competition, you definitely don't have to. On the other hand, there are a lot of people enjoy it :) This smacks of the old “you must suffer as I did” chestnut. [/quote] Yes, I agree, "finesse" was a poor choice of words. In my defense, I was at work and rather in a hurry to make a point...that apparently I didn't make well (and my attempts to also be humorous apparently fell flat too). Rereading my post it does smack a little of mild gender bias but I can assure you that it wasn't my intent in any way and most certainly is not my outlook on women, relationships or life in general. My intent was simply to advocate approaching swinging as a mutually desirable activity that two partners desire and share equally in. And not that it matters, but I've shared my wife with probably over a hundred men, married and single, and I've never thought of any of them as competition. But I never thought of swinging as "sharing" my wife either, but instead as her deciding to be sexual with another person and me being totally okay with her decision to do so. Sharing her, to me, almost denotes some sort of ownership or at very least some kind of permission that I would have to give. Both those ideas are not a part of our relationship. Perhaps the concept of "competition" in swinging interactions is a single male attitude? I don't know. And I didn't mean it in any way, shape, or form as a "you must suffer as I did" trope but simply as the idea that we invested a LOT of hard work and time making our marriage what it is and together deciding to risk opening it up to the excitement and also the possibility of harm that is swinging. I think, perhaps, that sometimes single people in the lifestyle don't quite understand the very real possibility of permanent damage (or worse) to the relationship that couples who swing are flirting with. For many (most?) of us, our marriages/relationships are THE most precious thing we have. What, if anything, are you risking? A bruised ego?

Disappointments! - - WE ALSO ONLY PLAY WITH GOOD FRIENDS , TO US WE ARE SWINGERS YES , BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT SALL THE LIFE STYLE IS ALL ABOUT TO US . WE WANT TO PLAY WITH FRIENDS . NOT EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY THAT WILL PLAY WITH US .TO US ITS NOT ABOUT HOOKING UP AND HAVIGN SEX . ITS ABOUT SHARING EACH OTHER AND EXPLOREING WITH FRIENDS . WE DONT REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MEETING PEOPLE OR HOOKING UP WITH THOSE THAT WE WANT TO . AND WE FOR THE MOST PART ARE STILL GOOD FRIENDS OR PLAY MATES WITH ALL OF OUR FRIEND S. WE TELL EVERYBODY WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR FRIEND S. THAT WAY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A HURRY TO HOOK UP WILL LEAVE US ALONE . WE TAKE OUR TIME AND GET TO KNOWPEOPLE AND PLAY WHEN IT FEELS RIGHT . THE BEST WAY TO FIND PEOPLE WHAT UA RE LOOKING FOR IS . TO .... PUT AS MUCH INFO IN YOUR PROFILE AS U CAN . TRY TO WRITE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT SITES . AND SAYING UP FRONT . U ARE LOOKING FOR NEW FRIENDS . GO TO AS MANY PARTIES AS U CAN . THAT WAY U CAN MEET ALOT OF NEW PEOPLE ALL THE TIME . STUFF LIKE THAT HELPS OUT ALOT . MAYBE START YOUR OWN YAHOO GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT . WE JUST STARTED A NEW GROUP CALLED [email protected] WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT FOR SWINGERS THAT ALSO WANT TO BE FRIENDS . STUFF LIEK THAT CAN HELP ALOT . TRY TO LOOK FOR NEWBIES . OR GROUPS FOR NEWBIES . I THINK U WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE ON MEETING MORE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR FRIENDS .... THERE IS SO MANY DIFFERENT SITES OR GROUPS OR CLUBS FOR SWINGERS . U HAVE TO FIND A FEW THAT WORK BEST FOR YOU AND WHAT U ARE LOOKING FOR . IF U CAN T FIND WHAT U ARE LOOKING FOR STARTING YOUR GROUP MIGHT BE THE BEST THING . DONT KEEP LOOKING . CAUSE I CAN TELL U THERE IS COUPLES OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THE SAME THINGS AS U . U JUST HAVE TO FIND THEM . NAUGHTY DREAMS FREAKY KITTY

Other activities? - Do you only meet swingers for sex? - With some of the folks we have met it was sex only and the relationships didn\'t last. The couples we have met with recently have also gotten with us for other activities. They have helped us put up Christmas lights, had dinner and done a lot of other things that don\'t revolve around sex. Of course we don\'t pass up on the sex either. :-)