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Staying a couple in the lifestyle - - [quote=Sofutosuwappu]Our experience so far: Religious > naturist > meet naturists/nudists who are swingers > soft swap > non-religious > full swap with couples same room > full swap separate room Thoughts?[/quote] Wow - what a great thread Sofutosuwappu! I just read some of these responses today. We're actually shocked! Evil - 60 couples . . . WOW! This has not been our experience at all. While we are relatively new in the LS (since 2015) and we definitely have less LS play experience than most who have commented - our experience has been very different from that described . . . both in terms of our own evolution, but also in terms of what we have personally witnessed with friends. ALL of the couples we have met in the LS are still together and in loving long-term relationships (as far as we know). Part of that may be dumb luck . . . part of it may be in the 'rules' we set for ourselves. We don't play separately . . . part of the fun is seeing your partner receive joy, pleasure, and excitement! We also specifically seek out people in Long Term relationships . . . and we have stayed away from profiles that intimated a DTF (down to fuck) kind of mind set. Not that there is anything wrong with that - we don't judge . . . just not something we have been interested in. We are attracted to beautiful relationships. As for our own evolution . . we are STILL very religious, we jumped into the LS first . . . and THEN became nudists 🤣 We have made only a slight adjustment to our play style from our first adventure, and we have no interest in becoming 'non-religious' - we have found the LS to be a continuation or advancement of our understanding of the Judeo-Christian commandment to 'Love One Another'. Maybe we just haven't been in long enough . . . maybe we are self-deluded and are secretly living a life of cognitive dissonance . . . but so far so good. One HUGE change is that when we first started in the LS . . . we thought we would want to be completely anonymous . . . going so far as to create 'fake names' etc. (I know . . . but we were still virgins . . . we feel SOME guilt about that . . . but we have subsequently repented!😉) We thought that the less people knew about us . . . the better. That changed 180 degrees within the first 6 months of our stumbling into this LS. Now . . . we only seek friends . . . who can be genuine friends . . . and if that progresses to any type of sexual exploration . . . all the better . . . but the friendship rules. I'm sure we still have a lot to figure out in this regard - but we cherish our new and longer-term friendships . . . and honestly can't wait to spend time with these people. We are missing the summer live concert venues . . . and we can't wait till the next time we meet with friends. If that makes us 'poly-amorous' . . . then consider us 'guilty as charged' - We have somehow managed to maintain significant and deep friendships with just about everyone we've played with. We don't see that changing. Hope that helps - thought it might as far as providing an alternate perspective. We love the authenticity and honesty shown to us by friends in the LS - we honestly have a hard time now maintaining vanilla relationships . . . whats the point??🤷‍♂️ Thank you all for the riveting discussion!

Ways to point out Swingers in public - - We picked up the rings from Amazon a couple of years ago and where them when we go out. We have never been approached or any reaction from anyone. It use to be a bigger thing a few years back we heard.

Christain Swingers? - - My religion is GOD, and I don't believe that GOD cares if you swing. He/she just experiences it and evolves. Can you imagine we are all small individuations of the One Spirit that is everything; experiencing life in the physical realm? Whew!

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - [quote=SPICEISNICE698][quote=LUSTINSALTLAKE]2011 Victory Red... Don't Touch or Don't Ouch...[em]Emo_25[/em] [/quote] I didn't know you could rent hot cars out of Redbox! [/quote] Yup! You just don't want to return it late, the late fee is about 40 grand....

N by N Campout - Thanks for a Great time! - "this one time, at swingers camp" haha! I forgot about that Sweetnspicy93..thanks for bringing that up..that's awesome. OK...round 3 I believe..Figured out how to get to the picture album for those of you that were at the campout and I remember or you hinted as to where you were in the camp ground and what not. You should be able to view those now. Again if I do not know you or remember you I do apologize for my memory is a wee wittle thing. If you give me some idea as to where you were or what you wore (nope scratch that, you may of not had anything on..lol) anyways let me know..have fun and be safe

seniors - why is it so difficult to find senior swingers or single ladies? - Nice job Thoughtgarden well put! If I knew how to make that clapping smiley I would!!! :l SINCITY. am glad you are in SIN CITY cause YOU SUCK FUCKTARD! what an asshole oh Secret right there with ya bud! Thats was very well put!!! wOOt to you too!!!! Dave and Aleta

Cuming out of the Swinger closet - - We have to agree as well. If we are trying to convert or suspect that they are in the LS then we might hint, or make comments just to see where they may sit. But its part of OUR intimate life. Why would we want all to know? Not that its a bad thing, because it isnt. But I could only imagine what many would say, and blow out of proportion. The is a need to know basis...Sadly one of my step-sons knows... He was floored, but suspected. Come to find out one of his best friends parents are swingers and suspected that we were. Other than that it remains with our LS friends.

Cum One Cum All!!! - - WOW, As said by others earlier, this is a great way to thin out drama later on in meeting people. and who would be people we would not get along with later on. The whole issue of illegal immigration is a tough one, Our culture has created a need for cheap labor, and the x/y generation is a bunch of Lazy bastards(speaking from experience from try to hire from the Labor pool of our generation) The gesture of helping another HUMAN in need is a great one, and the people that are knocking that shame on you...shame on you... Our Culture, and society has created the Illegal immigration "problem" Our kids and WE will not pick Cucumbers for 2$ an hour, or clean a hotel room for minimum wage... WTF America, quit listening to Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Orielly, Olbermann and Maddow, and get a real educated point of view on the reality of where we are at in America today. Roque has probably contributed more to the American System than most of the American citizens his age have. We and our kids will not pick vegetables for $2 an hour, nor clean rooms for min wage......or construction for $8 an hour......so the reality of the situation is....We have created a NEED for CHEAP labor...and ILLEGAL immigration is the answer we have been using... But the Roque situation is something different...and something that happens everyday..Really people we are on a SWINGERS WEBSITE.....WTF...get off your self rightous stands, cause if you are on a SWINGERS website, most of the people that would agree with you, as soon as they learned you were swingers (soft or Full) would throw you under the bus so fast your head would spin....So really, a fellow human being is in need, if you do not want to help...DON'T... and if you do...GREAT.... But dont get on your high horse and think that if all your Glen Beck Friends found out that you were members of a Swingers Web Site...Well you know, you would be out on the street.... Really, Stand back....think about it....Someone mentioned that a Fellow human being needs help.....a productive member of society...more so that any of the Jerry springer 2009 season had to contribute...... Really People...Dont think your Bishop approves of this lifestyle....

Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL

Other activities? - Do you only meet swingers for sex? - We absolutely do other things with our play friends. We\'ve gone to the movies, stayed in and watched movies, made dinner for each other, gone to the beach. Some of our out-of-town friends have stayed overnight at our house. As much as we do enjoy play time with our friends sometimes its not always possible to play so why not have some fun hanging out with them anyway? We prefer to play with people who we enjoy talking and spending time with. Much of the talking happens online through here, email or IM as we all seem to be pretty busy most of the time. We aren\'t into one night stands and prefer there to be more than just sex, so we do like to actually spend time with couples first to get a feel for who they are and how well we get along. We view it as if we can\'t feel comfortable having dinner at a restaurant with you or hanging out and talking with you for a little bit, we wouldn\'t feel comfortable getting into bed with you.