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Finding a balance - Swinging and Religion - - [quote=ABCMAN]http://www.libchrist.com/swing/happysafestudies.html someone asked about Christian swinging groups...we'll here ya go. I think the animosity in Utah about religion comes from one direct source in most cases (LDS Church).. but of course some of the Christian (fundamentalist...bible beating) crazies can drive one crazy as well. The reality is that I have not seen a man made religion yet that isn't focused on control of it's flock. My question is how much did Christ push the idea of a church and how much of it was his disciples and Paul later on in the bible. Cliffnotes, I actually think you make a good point...context is so important in reading ancient documents, and the bible would classify as one. To use 21st century definitions or perceptions is useless in understanding 60 AD Jerusalem. I do think that you make a good point regarding David and Solomon, but of course the counter to that is that the Lord gave them their wives and concubines (,,,,Joseph Smith and the Mormons think this way...) Personally I don't see why a GOD would only give a King many wives and not the common bloke out in the wheat field, and frankly I wouldn't put much stock in some Old Testament tale or atleast the justification for them having many wives. I'm sure God really didn't give them anymore then anyone else. As for swinging, my personal feeling is that if your intent is not to harm, be in physical, be it emotional, then go for it. But that can cover a wide range of possible situations. I think there are ethical issues that always need to be addressed if your going to last long in the lifestyle. #1 Don't break rules you and your significant other set up between one another, and always communicate. #2 If it isn't a gift to one another, then maybe you need to reevaluate why your doing it. #3 If your looking at it as an escape, then you maybe doing harm to your partner or another persons marriage. #4 If your single and looking for a long term mate, then don't covet some other persons spouse, no matter what they may say or do. If he/she is falling for you, then do the ethically thing and break it off. It just causes harm to everyone involved in those situations, and don't think for a minute that you won't suffer long term ramifications from that type of situation. I'd let the couple work it out or they leave on another before I'd get involved again with that person. #5 Safe Sex, not only for you but your partner and others as well. (Golden Rule) if these sound patronizing then I apologize, but personally this is the approach I've taken, and my wife as well. So far it's worked out well. [/quote] Good post! By Groups I am talking about the groups that will soon be available on this site. In another site there was a group called Christian Swingers, it was very interesting and educational. I seem to remember a LDS swingers group also. But that is a good website you posted.

Sensitivities - a paradox? - I'm actually just as opinionated in life. The only thing that is different here is that I am surrounded by tons of thin-skinned and/or "conservative" swingers, where as in real life, if you will, I don't associate or surround myself with them. If I wish to participate in the forum, I am forced to accept everyone's contribution no matter how contradictory to the activities of the website or what some call "the lifestyle". In real life, I just walk away from the bullshit and not associate with it. I do not surround myself with people that promote sexual freedom and wish to stifle religious freedom or lack thereof or stand for idealogy or dogma that of an oppressor. As far as your study of internet ego, I would love to see this paper. Which doctor of psycology/sociology performed it?? What were the controls and in what environment? I would like to say that there are no "short comings" in my life, I just call bullshit when I see it and there is a ton of thin skinned whiners that I've learned to avoid for the sake of the community and my sanity, as I cannot stand having the same repetitive arguments with the same moronic crowd. In fact I would love to see that study of yours, shoot it to me in an email or post it here for all of us. I have no issues telling someone to fuck off in life either. In fact, I promote standing up for what you believe, regardless of what the mainstream thinks. You can ask anyone who knows me on a personal level that my passions are politics, atheism and libertinism. Hell, ask the Davis County School District how I deal with their religious zealotry, hypocrisy, intolerance of expression and the lack of seperation of church and state in Utah (in the Country for that matter). I do not hide who I am. It is many in this "lifestyle" that hide who they are for fear of persecution... Don't get me wrong though, I do agree with the theory that some people become someone who they are not, when on the internet. I know a ton of "swingers" that put on an act that they are these huge swingers that love to play couple on couple and when you get them two on two, the truth comes out and their only girl-on-girl because either the man is insecure or the woman is a closet lesbian. Either way, I agree with you. There are a lot of fakes. ;) -D- P.S. Now I will admit to puposefully bringing up topics to get shit stirred up. I mean look at this forum as of late. We're right back to talking about the same boring bullshit. NO THANKS!

Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - Question? Why do a lot of these dares have to do with taking a "shot" in them? Why can't they be done without one? That is more of a dare for most people we find in this lifestyle - LOL ;) What about those that don't drink? That is one thing we have found in this lifestyle is some people have to get so fuckin drunk to play, that it does become a turn off. Especially when they want to kiss you and or be all over you and use the excuse they were and or are drunk! Just our opinon, and have found many share it as of late about comments after some parties, and after parties. :P Don't get us wrong we do drink, just not excessivly to where we offend others. Now for our suggestions. We do a lot of games and have many in our FunDo kit we have created. Most we have found have to at least be respectful that if someone doesn't want something to happen that it is not forced, Swingers or not. We do realize these are DARES and they have a choice not to do them. But what about the ones that don't want it done to them when the other is dared? Example - "......to slap everyones ass ......... that is OK with it" Some don't like this type of play and if they are subjected to it out of pressure and or aggressiveness the party and games go down hill fast. Now if EVERYONE is OK then party on!

Have you noticed? - Admin. doesn't give a SHIT!!! - In our humble opinion, Kasidie is a much better website. But,Swingular has traditionally been the site for Utah. However, we have noticed a significant increase of Utah swingers now joining Kasidie, which will probably continue.

Swingers gone bad?? - - Just happy it

Now that you're one of them there fancy swingers... - - See, that's what I'm talking about. KITTY wants chocolate raspberry truffle cheesecake when most guys are day old glazed donuts at best. Obviously she's been ruined by a steady diet of hot sexy swinger guys who know tricks that would make Jenna Jameson blush. By the time she's been in the lifestyle a couple of decades the only thing that will be able to get her off is a Hitachi with a jackhammer motor inside of it.

network swingers - - hmmm, may have to set the drv to record this one

Swingers clubs or parties - - I'd like to know the answer to that as well. I live in Atlanta and I'm going to Greenville, SC this week.

5 Guys - Who knew?.? - Lol why are all the sexy swingers in Utah? Teehee

Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - We know one girl who would go for the "triple" dare always. Right *S*? We like your suggestions 333 ... specially the "guinea pigs" tempting one... wink wink.