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Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote=CRAZYFOXTCU]From certain perspectives yes that's what I'm saying. Religion twists things but from the view of an Islamic extremest what those terrorists did on that plane was the pinnacle of a moral example. From our point of view it was horrid and sick. We are in the out group to these terrorists and religion has warped their view so that they think they need to defend the ideals of their in group. Understanding that they believe they are doing good things doesn't excuse them from the bad things they do. Like how the Pope isn't innocent for using his influence to stop people from using condoms in countries riddled with AIDS and parent less children. He believes he is doing right but is inexcusable.[/quote]
I am afraid I have to agree. I think morality is a moving object and simply a point of view. It does not take religion or lack of it to make you moral because morality is a self designation and has no absolutes. If we pass laws to protect morality based on an absolute definition of morality, then we are climbing out on a limb and cutting it off behind us.
I think hellokity defined the goal when she said
Help us out.. Take this Survey - For Utah Swingers - [quote=PASSIONATEFUN]Wish you had an area for comments . . .this being Utah, know you can't replicate Scarlett Ranch in Denver or Sea Mountain in Palm Springs, but if you could do something like that on occasion, great. Of course, the days of summer outdoor parties are nearing an end.[/quote]
Good point.. I'll add something for comments...
Highly unlikely those places could be replicated here for legal reasons..... Also, the swinger community here in Utah is REALLY tiny compared to other states.. (We like to think it's big... but most other states have much larger, much more active communities than we do).
How do you spot a Swinger..?! - tell tell signs of the lifestyle - [quote=CHRKE2]The mention of "Hedo" strikes me as fairly good 'code'. [/quote]Funny you should mention that. Not sure that would work so well: we went to Hedo 2 and were surprised by how many vanilla's there were there. After a few days, we took to breaking the ice by asking if they "were on any lifestyle sites?" or if they "had their profile posted anywhere as a couple".
Being that we were at Hedo, we were obviously not afraid of offending anyone (it is Hedo after all!), but it quickly let us know what their status was. Even still, the couples we ended up hanging out the most with were non-swingers.
C&M
P.S. Oh, and then we had my college friend who, when we told we were going to Jamaica, asked if we were going to "that Hedo3". 90% sure he is vanilla.
AZ nudist resorts - - Resort might be a stretch. Shangri La Ranch in New River is more of a trailer park with a pool. Pool is well kept, rent able rooms are available but are dated and just OK, well maybe just a little less than OK. Weekdays the residents are a little bit more mature. On weekends the day pass folks are a little younger. We have never encountered any swingers but enjoy the pool and sun. Usually stay off site and day pass, but you haven't lived until you have seen naked karaoke.
Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - [quote=UTBIPLAYMATE]We would love to try both DP and DVP. It's one of my favorite fantasies!! ;)[/quote]
We've done dvp a few times & love it. Never
dp though.
Staying a couple in the lifestyle - - Our experience so far:
Religious > naturist > meet naturists/nudists who are swingers > soft swap > non-religious > full swap with couples same room > full swap separate room
Many lifestyle couples we know have followed a very similar path.
The rest of some of their evolution concerns us, especial polyamorous couples, triples, etc.
The tendency seems to be (very generalized) is to date and play separately. If the relationship becomes polyamorous, divorce seems VERY common.
We like having more than physical chemistry. Personality and interests are part of the package, but it is difficult to get an 8 way connection (chemistry between all 4 people).
We actually like the friendships more than playing, so we are comfortable where we are at the moment.
Thoughts?
Just between Us - Is there anything that you don't do with a swinging partner that you keep just between you and your partner? - After talking with several different swingers, I have often wondered if there were sexual acts that couples preferred not to do with a swinging partner.
Swinger Friendly Businesses - Business or services friendly to swingers - i am an electrician my self and do some side work on the side i am a journeyman electrician have been in the trade for 13 years contact me an i will see what i can do
Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - 84 Gremlin, a true classic and total chick magnet, not to mention the ultimate in class and status. Of course it also allows me to look down my nose at you "camaro" drivers. Also much more stylish than the Bentleys...;)
Facebook group - - I am an admin in a long-standing FB Swingers group for SouthEast Idaho and we're getting ready to close it down. It used to be there were privacy concerns where people who joined would risk exposing other members by sending friend requests to everybody but we were able to handle most of that by staying on top of things. Now, the FB rules and algorithm bots are going crazy. Posts from 2+ years ago are being randomly found and flagged. Posts from the admins are being flagged as well and we've been warned that if too many of these happen FB will shut the group down altogether. But this means two things; 1. the posts that make the page fun and free are all at risk of being auto flagged even though the group is private and 2. Even if a post is not flagged it's not truly private since the FB bots and possibly admins are scanning through everything that happens in every group. Really, the FB rule changes from 2 years ago make the group against their policy even by existing. The new rules read that a group cannot exist for the purpose of seeking or supporting the planning of any sexual activity.
Because of all this, our group has been migrating to MeWe and all official posts/events/polls are now hosted there. We'll also be deleting FB content that is likely to be flagged and closing down the group.
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