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Mormons - - What a interesting topic, I have to put in my two cents. I am from Amesfoort, Holland. I moved to Utah when I was young and grew up in SLC in the winter, returning to Holland some summers. (A unique perspective) Now with my wife, I have not meet any LDS swingers. But our circle of friends is not LDS ether. But while I was single I meet many Mormon girls that a great interest in me. Some tried to convert me (HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH.... no) and some had no intention of converting me, although may have used it as an excuse to talk to me. There are many benifiets for staying in the church, and growing up non-lds can be a lonely affair in Utah. I think that many pretend to believe, because they need the support of the community, friends, and family. But many do want they want behind closed door. And I am sure the Internet is a great escape for them as well. I have been far and wide in this world, and most people are all the same. Yeah they may not be that open but everyone has to get to their own freedom in their own way and own time. So many of them just chat, and disappear when it comes down to meeting. But in my single days I had girls from the church meet me in private, and well. :) I used to like to think that is was because I was a hottie. but I think I have come to realize it was them who was hot, and needed release, and trusted me to be quiet about it. I am sure many think about swinging. But I doubt many would even talk to their spouse about that. The one issue I have with the Church is that they tend to control through fear, and I bet many guys and girls would like to bring up the topic. But fear their spouse will freak and they will be in front of the bishop. Most be a scary place to be, I am very lucky to have been raised in a very liberal, open, agnostic home. That upbringing seems to leave so many insecurity's, and doubts about ones self. anyway sorry to be long winded.

Cum One Cum All!!! - - i hope they make a bracelet for nazi swingers...red and black with a cute little swastika. comes with matching lil mustache and inherent hatred for anyone not aryan. and just a couple pages back i read something about sending the "wets" back to where they came from? i guess when you are racist you dont notice when other people are being racist. there is a guy who just started at my work. he is from Venezuela. doesnt speak a lot of english. i know enough spanish to direct him but it frustrates me. ive worked with people from vera cruz, mexico who refuse to learn english or speak it. ive worked with bosnians who dont speak very much english...tibetans..muslims arabs...israelis and palestinians...and a turkish guy who GREW UP HERE and still doesnt speak much english. i do agree that they should put some effort into learning the language of the country they are living in...just like if i went to their country i would be required to learn their language...they aint gonna change for me...although i do make an effort to learn a couple phrases in their language for fun. thats pretty much all that bugs me about immigrants in this country...the language barrier. gives you a reason to get to know them...maybe if you heard their stories you would understand why they are here. one of the bosnians i worked with was royalty in her country...maids..their equivalent of millions of dollars...but in the war, their houses were demolished or used for army personnel. so they came to our country and now work as maids and cooks in hospitals. in their country they dont work...the guys work, and the women cook and clean..so coming here is hell for them..but they are here..they have no choice. you want to send them back to their country? their bullet ridden houses and swimming pools full of corpses..? i couldnt live with myself sending someone back to that hell.

What are swingers really looking for ?Are they looking for frien - Has the happen to you. - This happen on another swingers site but our profile is the same as the one on here and it says that We will chat with couples and get together and become friends. (But no sexual stuff.) I did not save the first e-mail this couple send us but there profile says while friendship is nice,we aren't looking for best friends.We are looking for playmates!So I send them Hey! Thank You for writing. Right now I don't think we are compatible, good luck in your search. And they send me Hey! Sorry didn't realize you were expecting! So to explain more I send them Hey! We are very new to the lifstyle.We are looking for only friendship from couples.My husband is not ready to see me with another man.(watching,playing or sex)In your profile you said that friendship is nice but that you are looking for playmates.You are execting more then we can give and we are execting more then you can give.And they send me We Really do not know what you are talking about,just from your pictures it appeared you were pregnant, but remember this is a "swing" website, if your looking for a lady you might go to a "lesbian" website..And if your looking for friendship and campanionship, you might go to church. There is one on every corner! Happy Emailing! And then they blocked me. First of all why did they e-mail us when if they read our profile they would have known that we will chat with couples and get together and become friends. (But no sexual stuff.) Second of all I was trying to be nice by explaining, why did they have to be so mean. Third of all I had a baby two year ago and I am still trying to loss it,it has been very hard. Fourth of all I do go to church,but that is not the friendship and campanionship I am looking for. We are very new to the lifestyle so did we do something wrong here? :(

Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - "I know a guy that is 75 years old and still enjoys being with others. He claims that he can satisfy a lady even if the hubby is taking pictures. Although he needs a half an hour or so to get it up again. Any comments?" What are you getting at? "even if the hubby is taking pics?" So, what? We do that all the time. What is your point?

Swingers dying out? - Is the utah swinger community dying or becoming to needy? - We are very interested in meeting new couples. I had two friend requests just this past week and I replied with my cell number, asking to get together for drinks or dinner but they haven't contacted me. I wonder if people are just looking for pictures or to get a large list of friends. Its interesting because they contacted me first....lets meet!

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - Never done the two cock in the v.. ouch!.. my one dv experince was really good

Desire vs hedonism - - I know there have been similar topics, but I couldn't find them in the forums. So starting a new thread. To the people that have been to both hedo and desire, which would u prefer? I thought secrets and excellence were swinger resorts too, but now I can't find any evidence to support that. Anybody been to excellence or secrets and can tell me if its for swingers?

Do you Expect to get laid at Swinger Parties? - - Most of the time, no. Not everybody at a swingers party expects to have sex. But sometimes it depends on the party you go to. Off-premise parties like those thrown by Secret Desires www.secretdesires.org are a great way to meet others in the Lifestyle without the pressure of having sex. I'd recommend checking this out first, the next party is on the 10th of Feb.

Are you going to Comic Con this year? - - 1) Yup and I'm finally gonna bang that chubby little Ewok chick this year. 2) How juvenile and immature *sniff*. I will be attending a cotillion and a wine tasting instead. 3) No, because they still won't let me wear my AUTHENTIC Lady Godiva costume! 4) No but I'm gonna hang around outside and hit on all the drunk and horny Princess Leia's at the nearby bars. 5) I can't WAIT to meet Stan Lee...and his wrinkly old weenus! 6) No, I'm boycotting until they bring back Firefly. 7) Why dress up like a fucking robot when I can go fuck all the nasty swingers I want at Habits? 8) I can't wait! In fact I'm camping out at the Salt Palace right now. 9) Salt Lake Comic Con is lame AND a blatant rip off of San Diego Comic Con. 10) I'm starting my own Comic Con...in Erda. 11) I guess it beats black light bowling or karaoke night...but not by much. 12) I'd rather go to General Conference than Comic Con. 13) Go have a few beers, Evil. You've obviously had a hard week. 14) My costume is ALMOST finished. I just need to find a large silver mechanical robot penis. 15) I'd rather throw myself naked, into the orgy pit at Red Rooster, covered in BBQ sauce...on Hungry Hungry Nympho Night than go to Comic Con. 16) Yeah, I'll be there...because I have no life. 17) Yeah, I'll be there...because I have an AWESOME sci-fi life! 18) Yes, we're both going in cute, sexy, matching cosplay costumes. 19) [img]https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/cosplay7.jpg?quality=80&strip=all[/img]

dancing - - According to the rumor mill, Habits is where the swingers go to go clubbing. My wife and I usually go social ballroom or swing though, when we go out dancing.