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Respect...Needed? or just forgotten. - - If we ever got rude replies like that, we just delete the mail, they arent worth our time. You have to have some common decency and repsect. A nice introduction with your name and an polite \'We\'d like to get together, how about we meet....\' will always gain more points. We don\'t get much mail anyway, so we havent had to encounter it that much. But those messages we have gotten out of the blue are usually more rude then polite. We find that the polite approach at the swingers club always wins us over and the single guys who just start touching, usually turn us off. Being cordial and you will get more :)

Why are there so many swingers from Utah? - - Move over Florida is a close second.....WEG

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Swinging/Polyamory - I just wanted to hear other people thoughs on this....... - I was looking through the forum subjects and when I came upon this one and looked I wondered why I hadn't commented, since I am a swinger and am poly for quite a few years and I am involved with 2 women as secondary relationships. Someone said "poly is about being monogomous within a plural relationship." The term monogamous doesn't even enter into poly. Poly relationships can be primary, secondary or tertiary. Further people can be added on add-infinitem, so long as everyone involved in particularly primary and soemtimes secondary relationships are consentual about that aspect. In tertiary relationships it is necessary that that they be aware of all other relaionships and OK with that concept. I also belong to a Poly group that is not like Yahoo or AOL groups. It is privately owned and is open to poly and poly friendly people. While I know that a small number of the group does swing, they do not advertise. Poly people generally take issue with swinging as be strictly recreational SEX! and no love where as poly, supposedly, is love based not necessarily any sex....but sex usually is involved at some level. The attitude is that swinging is not a good thing that swinging is diametrically opposed to poly. We definitely do swing and I have 2 secondary relationships. One could be a primary if she could get over the hurt from a failed..abusive marriage of 18 years. We met thru swinging and will continue until I can't walk talk or motovate. My wife while not professing to be poly is in love with that lady as well as I am. We would invite her to join us as a primary relationship and have mentioned that to her... She is afraid to "lay my heart out and have it stomped on again". So while there are some similarities in swinging and poly in that more and more swingers are looking for relationships, i.e., "friends with benefits" ; "Friends in and out of the bedroom". These friendships are based on attraction and sex after the attraction. Poly people take the concept that poly is based on loving someone and if sex happens then OK, but that love is the key and sex is at best secondary. I don't have any problems with poly and swinging. We have met people while swinging and I have fallen in love or they have fallen in love with my wife or me. Swinging and poly are definitely compatable..at least for us.

Tranny's - - Well a transexual is not different then any sexual type. They like to dress up and may even want to be a women or man some just like certain things. Not all Transexuals are gay many are straight as an arrow. So treat every sex the same and you will see that they are beautiful. Some of the most evolved people are transexual they are very good at resolving issues and making them work for them. Transexuals do live off the grade from most as they have two lives. However, So do swingers so really its about what floats your boat!!! I have been called a gay hag here and there and knowing most of the gay world in Utah makes running into the funnest crowd the Transexuals who always keep you on your toes. You wont know until you try it. I seem to attract them fairly often so my point is I dont know but do try it!!!(= (= (=

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - ULUV, HAHAHA!!! Never had it. Is it any good? Oh and dude, if you change your fuckin' name, I won't respect you anymore. Fuck 'em, if they don't like it. I think it suits you and to tell you the truth man, I think it's a fuckin pimp assed name. You are who you are. That I do respect. I've read a lot of your posts and I have to say, you are a smart and funny dude, built like a brick shithouse and got pics to prove the ladies like ya. I think you never even needed this thread. You are one of the cool ones dude. I don't know if that means anything, but I would recommend you to our friends seeking the single gents. Guys like you T4REAL69, VALANCEPARADIGM (forgive me if I left any of you guys out) and a few others, proved to me that not all of you single guys are cocky, pushy, selfish fucks. You ever get this way, let's have a beer. Bring one though because the beer here sucks. Only state in the union that has 3.2 percent by weight beer (about 4% by volume). It's weak as fuck. That's a whole new Utah-based thread. -D-

Too old ???? - - I am calling it the way we have seen it. We both started playing around in lifestyles just under 40 years ago. The computer and internet wasn't that big a help, you had to find people at bars and clubs and places couples were known to hang out. You really walked gently then but word didn't travel as fast so you could maintain anonymity much easier. With chat rooms on the net and websites just for lifestyles, it became easier to meet people but also required more caution. We had a blast meeting couples, making friends and exploring all kinds of lifestyle activities. Cyn was a doll and always being chased. I guess I wasn't too bad either since I was never left out. Under 10 years ago we took a break. During that time most of our favorite clubs went away, the news media made big issues about swingers, alot of our friends moved, died or divorced. We decided to try getting back in because we missed the friendships with a more open feeling, not necessarily the sex. We came back in our early 60's, just a few years ago. We changed physically, gained a little weight, went grey, lost some hair... most of the things that happen about now. We posted some nice current pics, updated our profile honestly and waited. A few nice gentlemen responded to Cyn, but even then, it was lean pickings. My opinion is that we are all selfish animals, including Cyn and I. There is nothing more exciting than a hot, tight young body. The physical attraction fades as we wrinkle, expand and change. Finding other couples becomes difficult and very selective. Putting up those bigger numbers on our age does not help. Posting honest pics is a double-edged sword. While it's good to be honest it also deters people away. We have found meeting people whenever possible makes the best connection, the way it was in the beginning. When you let people meet you, learn what they are really like and they see what you really are, the relationship seems to solidify quicker and without having to fake it in any way. Its hard, miserable and frustrating after all the fun we had in younger years, but our bodies aged, not our minds. Good luck.. a good friendship is worth the effort.

Why are there so many swingers from Utah? - - heyy Not everyones from UT.... us Floridians make up a big chunk of this site also!! :)

Polyamory - three (or more)-way RELATIONSHIPS - Hi, I've been closely associating with poly individuals for about seven years now. Find your local poly group(s) http://ohiovalleypoly.150m.com/ Make it a point to attend as many meetings and functions as you can. Keep in mind that some poly people (some) turn their nose up at the idea of swinging, just as many swinging people turn their nose up at poly. Also don't be deterred if you start attending poly meetings and don't see the kind of people you normally hang out with, your tribe, so to speak. The benefit isn't finding your people as it is in meeting people with lots of experience with poly-relationships. You can learn from anyone who has been where you are heading. Making up your own rules is great, so long as they work for you and your family. Here in Utah there are circulating groups. We have swingers, poly, kinky, burners and in each group there are the core members (hardcore) and then there are those of us that circulate among them all. So, when attending meetings be aware that one day their might be four people, the next 40. Also that the opinions of the core members may not be representative of the life you three have created for yourselves and don't let anyone sway you from what you know works for you. Congratulations, don't ever let small minded people make you feel bad. I wish you all the best.

New Swingers Club in Utah - Gauging interest in new club - As a single old male I have found if hard to find people to play with on a regular basis. A club that would invite single men would be wonderful.