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can we swing and still not be in sin ? - - YES WE CAN ! there is ways males and females may swing and thay will not be in sin I WILL BE BACK TO EXPLAIN......ok, I am back and will define the issue as much as i can and realy want to see your knowledge and views, so first let me say some major history that all people in the world know and should know Especially all people liveing in The United States Of America our beloved country witch its finding fathers inscribed in every coin and dollar " IN GOD WE TRUST " , I will start with the Presidential Recognition of Ancient code of Ethics House Joint Resolution 104, public Law 102-14 That reads : President George Bush signed an historic resolution of both congressional Houses , Recognizing The Noachide Laws as the " bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization " He urged the U.S. to take lead in " Returning The world to the Ethical Values contained in the seven Noahide Laws " . so we the people know what is right and wrong ,we the swingers want to know what we may or may not , YES INDEED we most of us in swinging are not stupid and fear God's award and punshment and this is the point of this thread i am asking all who fallow a religion what does your religion permit in swinging and is not called SIN for example , such as all singles may swing and it is not a SIN all males can fuck up any female including your wifey provided your are not fucking a wifey married according to your religion or soft swap laws pent. laws the diff. laws that apply only to males or only females , there are so many diff. laws lets talk about it and sort it out , we all know the basic laws of Noachide and i found most swingers go by it , some had said to me 'with you or in this case or this couple we can go only soft swap' it was amazing to me to hear this from a swinger... let me put it this way" we swingers are Religius waste up on top of the belt... but very liberal waste or belt down" i would like to add to the people who claim "atheism" you people are Equivalent to cannibals if you are not afraid of god you can kill ,steal , rape, do anything a big animal does to a small one or as a big fish does to a small fish and that is scary you are willing to murder if you won't get caught !!! i would not play or even be with you behind closed doors......NOTE to readers all postings after i came back to define this issue starts after page 3 please reply to the "sex laws " of your religion only we are not here to debate or dispute any religion thanks;) ;)

Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - Age...hmmm. I (Mr.) have a pretty wide range in age. I usually gravitate towards older rather than younger (yes, I'm attracted to older women rather than younger.) As for Mrs. I know some of her fantasies, but I won't pretend to answer for her. On a couples perspective, I have seen that couples tend to gravitate towards their own age range. Why? I don't know. -K_T

A question for singles..... - and please be honest. - After reading some of the comments... It begs the question aren't the singles on here advertising the fact that they are or want to be swingers? Looking for partners to explore the swinging experience? Or are they just people who are looking to get free sex? I'm not saying that any of it is wrong but singles used to date then have sex and then get involved with others. I'm not sure when the swinger sites became dating sites for sex starved singles. Not saying it's bad or good just asking.

Club 90 party - - We've deleted all our public pics from our profile on this and other sites. It is the only safe thing to do. After working in the advertising and public relations field for many years I can unequivocally tell you that KSL has already determined the story they are going to write, and they are only going to the party to find supporting evidence of it. It doesn't matter what you say, they will edit out what doesn't fit the outline for the story that was agreed upon in a programing meeting and keep the stuff that does. Ever heard someone say "that's not what I said, they took my comment out of context!" What story is this? Sex and Wife Swapping in Your Neighborhood! Wife Swapping... What About the Children! Swingers... They Could Be Your Neighbor And I could go on and on with possible headlines. Never have I seen any positive spin put on the Lifestyle by the media. Sex and scandal makes ratings with produces ad dollars. And this fulfills both criteria in one story. Do a Google News search on swingers and see how many positive stories you come up with. I guarantee it will be 99% negative. KSL isn't going to tell a story of how swinging can bring a couple closer and strengthen an already good relationship. They aren't going to show how 79% of swingers report their marriage as "very happy" as opposed to 64% of the general societal survey (GSS), or that only 1.7% of swingers report their marriage/relationship to have become "less happy" after starting to swing. Or that 57% of swingers list marriage as "very important" in their life as compared to 51% of the GSS. They are not going to show that swingers are slightly more likely to be part of a religious organization the the GSS (72% compared to 61%). These are not facts that will support the sensationalist story they want to produce. They want to show wild sex orgies and broken marriages. It doesn't matter if they agree not to show faces or not (they won't due to legal ramifications). Like xxxtasy and others have mentioned it will cause a huge spike in traffic to this and other swinger related websites by every "concerned" (read: nosey) Utahn scouring the sites for a neighbor like they're searching a sex offenders database. I guarantee there will be a spike in free members for a month or so after the segment airs. The women will want something to gossip about at relief society and the men will want to know who to hit on in their neighborhood in the chance they'll get lucky because you know... their wife isn't a freak like that and since you're a swinger you'll do anyone, anytime right? Just like in the porn movies? And the club? Club 90 is only a "swingers club" once or twice a month. People who go there during the other 29 days in the month will recognize the decor and will be "scouting" from now on. You'll have every guy looking to get lucky going to Club 90 in the off-chance he'll meet a swinger. I'd recommend being on your best behavior if you do attend the party. They think they are going to see flesh and dirty dancing. They need to see that these parties are not that, but just like going to any club on any given night; the difference being nobody's getting in a fight because someone looked at someone else's significant other.:p

LDS Survey Results - - [b]LDS Swingers Report[/b] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4436895/All%20Responses.pdf]Link to All Responses (PDF with graphics)[/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4436895/Yes%20Very%20Active.pdf]Link to results for those who replied "Yes, Very Active"[/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4436895/No%20Removed%20From%20Records.pdf]Link to results for those who replied "No, removed from records"[/url] Not too many surprises, but it is always interesting to me when there are couples who are still active believers. There were 10 responses who said they are still active and 39 who still believe but aren't active. This was a lot of fun for me, so perhaps I'll revise this and do it again in a few months. Feel free to send suggestions and interesting questions. There are a few things I would change if we were to do it again. For example, it would be nice to define what "sex" means or even what "porn" means. Also making all questions individual (not as couples) because some questions don't make sense as a couple. Who is taking this survey? [list]The Mr. (76/122) 62%[/list][list]The Mrs. (22/122) 18%[/list][list]Together (24/122) 19%[/list] Have you ever been married in the temple? [list]Yes (67/123) 54%[/list][list]No (56/123) 45%[/list] Are you still a believing member of the the LDS church? [list]Yes, very active (10/123) 8%[/list][list]Yes, not active (39/123) 31%[/list][list]No, still on the records (54/123) 43%[/list][list]No, removed from records (20/123) 16%[/list] How long have you been swinging? [list]Less than 1 year (12/123) 9%[/list][list]1-3 years (39/123) 31%[/list][list]3+ years (72/123) 58%[/list] Do you feel guilty after a swinging experience? [list]Yes (4/123) 3%[/list][list]No (100/123) 81%[/list][list]Not anymore (18/123) 14%[/list][list]Not sure- haven't actually participated (1/123) 0%[/list] Before getting married, how many people did you have sex with? [list]0 (35/123) 28%[/list][list]1 (8/123) 6%[/list][list]2-5 (34/123) 27%[/list][list]6-10 (17/123) 13%[/list][list]10+ (29/123) 23%[/list] After being married, how many people have you had sex with [list]1 (10/123) 8%[/list][list]2-5 (34/123) 27%[/list][list]6-10 (24/123) 19%[/list][list]10+ (55/123) 44%[/list] Check each of the following if they are true of you and/or your spouse: [list]We watch porn together regularly (41/112) 36%[/list][list]We have watched porn together but not very often (68/112) 60%[/list][list]We enjoy making our own porn (49/112) 43%[/list] Girl on Girl [list]Yes (91/118) 77%[/list][list]No (26/118) 22%[/list][list]N/A (1/118) 0%[/list] Guy on Guy [list]Yes (24/109) 22%[/list][list]No (82/109) 75%[/list][list]N/A (3/109) 2%[/list] Full/Soft swap [list]Yes (113/118) 95%[/list][list]No (5/118) 4%[/list][list]N/A (0/118) 0%[/list] Threesome (F-M-F) [list]Yes (80/113) 70%[/list][list]No (32/113) 28%[/list][list]N/A (1/113) 0%[/list] Threesome (M-F-M) [list]Yes (87/112) 77%[/list][list]No (23/112) 20%[/list][list]N/A (2/112) 1%[/list] Orgy [list]Yes (61/102) 59%[/list][list]No (39/102) 38%[/list][list]N/A (2/102) 1%[/list]

lost with people - florida wanna be swingers - The use of the word "fake" is so subjective that at times it is can be rather difficult to determine what the person who used it actually meant. Here is a for instance: Your reference to your friends list. You hit the proverbial nail right on the head. YOU decided that you had a thing or two in common with the people in question. YOU decided to add them to your friends list. The people you are adding as friends have absolutely no choice in the matter. Some of them may have done the same to you in return, but adding someone to your friends list does not guarantee a meeting, or even correspondence does it? Some of them may not even want to be added to your friends list, imagine that. A lot of misguided people seem to think that the lack of replies indicates that the site is full of fakes! Come on now. Here is the reality of swinging: Forgive MY bluntness, but since we were speaking frankly I thought that it would be good to hear another point of view. 1. There are assholes in every state. Be vigilant, be smart about with whom you share your personal information, and learn from your experiences. Pic collectors, cheaters, people trying to convince others that they are something that they are not...Just remember, those people are most likely horny 15 year old boys posing as others so that they can giggle and jerk off... men and women (thats right, and women too) posing as couples to get dates...the list goes on... We lived in Lake Worth for several years, and I can tell you that there are as many low rent assholes there as there are here in MD. Thats swinging, so get over it. The sooner you do, the less it will irritate you. 2. People dont answer their e-mail. The lack of replies means that you havent made a connection with someone YET, or that they are not interested in you. Maybe they are busy and do not have the time to respond to all of their mail? Thats all. Yes we consider it rude to ignore someone, but trust me, you dont want to to hear back from some of them anyway. Consider it a blessing from whomever you worship and move on! A lot of people lack the basic social skills required to be polite to others, even by e-mail. Unfortunately, thats swinging too...on ANY website...so get over it. The sooner you do, the less it will irritate you. Your profile says you joined on January 30, 2006. If this is accurate then it seems to me that you are fairly new here...if only a few months. Perhaps you should be more patient? Your profile is rather sparse too...give it some attention and let your personality come through in it so that others can better judge if they are truly interested in getting to know you. People also read these forums quite a bit, even if they do not openly participate. The forums are an excellent way to make new friends, but it works both ways. Who wants to meet with someone who is complaining about "fakes" because they did not get a date? Isnt that just like the kid who doesnt get picked for kickball taking his big red ball and going home? It just seems to me that FIRST you should do everything in your power to seem appealing and approachable before you pass judgement about the intentions of others. None of this was meant to offend you, and if I did, then for that I apologize. It just seems to me that your time could be spent more constructively if you intend to meet people that you can see socially on this site. Luvbugs! (mR.) ;)

Ways to point out Swingers in public - - What? You don't have swingdar? LOL. I often just get a sense.

Swingers - a couples only lifestyle? - Are singles considered to be swingers? - T4REAL69 is right on target in giving the current meaning of the term "swinger". SWMTCPL you used two little words in your original post that opened this thread, "to us". Those two little words accommodate for a lot of variation in this lifestyle. When you say "to us" you are telling everyone how you fit in the big picture of what the swinger lifestyle is. If you read another persons profile or listen to what the have to say as to what their desires and interest are, you know what this lifestyle means to them. If we are open minded enough to understand this, and don't try to force our beliefs on others, who have view's that differ from ours, we are genuine swingers. The most basic rule in swinging is NO MEANS NO. If you are confronted by someone who does not suit your desires, be it because of their looks, gender or the activity, you can always say NO, and go your own way in this lifestyle.

Burnt out from searching - - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=ThroughTheVeil]Maybe the problem is that you're shooting too high? I mean, don't get me wrong, everyone has their preferences, and at the end of the day, you shouldn't do anything (or anyone) you don't want to, but were in a similar boat of having to reach out a lot and getting rejected, a lot... even after making quick contact (or even longer contact) with a couple. Now if we didn't care who we met up with, we'r would have a different couple every night we had free time and some to spare, so having standards is important for time management also. What I'm saying is, if you're frustrated with how little (quality) contact, maybe you should give more people the benefit of the doubt. I can think of couples that we initiated contact, 4 or 5 times before meeting, and then when we finally did, had a great time and became good friends, but that also meant reaching out to couples 6 or 7 times before realizing we were wasting our time swallowing our pride over them.[/quote] The Lord and Lady of the Veil (Vale?) make a very good point. We've found that MANY swingers (Ourselves included.) are somewhat predispositioned (Yes, I know that's not really a word.) to constantly be on the lookout for what we might consider the perfect or ideal couple/connection and thus ignore people we might actually end up having a fairly great connection with because they didn't check one of our boxes for things thought we were looking for. Far too often it's too easy to overlook a good or even great couple when searching for the perfect one (That might not actually exist!). How much great or even just good sex might we be passing up in the pursuit of perfect sex? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/quote] Very well said and obvious to many and acknowledged by few. We decided after the 1st couple of years the perfect couple may not look like the perfect couple but if we had a great connection it did not matter. Wildcouple88 we live in Houston and have never had a response from anyone in our area. We have met many great couples in SLC area when we cum in for about 8 weeks a year in the winter to ski.